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Screen shot of message I posted of extracts from the US Federal Court of Appeals November 26, 2010; shortly thereafter deleted by the "moderator." All mention of the US Federal Court verdicts against the Wilmette-Haifan Baha'is have been systematically prevented and deleted from appearing in any forum they have control of on the Internet.

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Sample message posted by a Baha'i fundamentalist slurring other Bahais as "apostates", November 21, 2010, the common attitude found all over Haifan Baha'i cyberspace:



Beliefnet - Discuss Baha'i Faith 4-1-2011 text below; posted to Beliefnet Bahai Discuss and deleted some hours later:

Haifan Baha'i writes:
"People see what they want to see. There's enough out there on the internet to explain the
Baha'i position on Abdu'l-Baha and Shoghi Effendi that I don't think I even have to bother
elaborating that."

I respond:
The fact is that much of the Haifan "Baha'i position," interpretation, really, is based on
falsehoods and historical distortions. Most average Baha'is have never made the effort or
spent the time to actually read and study the early history of the Bahai Movement as taught by
Abdul-Baha in the West. Rather, they have accepted, without independent investigation, the
"positions" of the fraudulent will and testament of Shoghi Effendi's family in 1921.
Abdu'l-Baha's 1912 Authentic Covenant
An Analysis of Abdul-Baha's 1912 Authentic

Haifan Baha'i writes:
"Moreover, most of the earliest dissenters - relatives of Baha'u'llah and Abdu'l-Baha as well
as their descendents, many among the early American communiy (Ruth White), etc. -
fundamentally misunderstood the Baha'i Faith. They either mistook it for a radical political
movement, for an occultish, new age faith that would grant "mystic powers," or for some
liberal, loosly organized Islamic version of UU. Regardless, a legitimate case can't be made
against the authority of Shoghi Effendi unless you were to erase the enitre ministry of Abdu'l-

I respond:
Not true. One to three thousand early Bahais left the Bahai Movement in the early 1920s and
1930s because many of them *knew* Abdul-Baha and had heard him speak in public. They
had read in the Star of the West his 1912 Authentic Covenant, which was repeatedly printed
in that magazine, and understood his Interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Teachings were of a
*universal* religion, open, broad, and accepting of various shades of conscience. Shoghi
Effendi dragged the Bahai Movement back to the fanatical imamate of Shiite Islam, where it
has only continued to sour and fester through the decades.

Your characterizing Ruth White and other early Bahais as "new age," given to "mystic
powers," etc., demonstrates the distorting lense of Shoghi Effendi's corrupt interpretation, not

Ruth White
Jenabe Fazel Mazandarani

Haifan Baha'i writes:
"Anyone curious about the "Orthodox Baha'i," "BUPC," or "Reform Baha'i" arguments can
easily refer back to Abdu'l-Baha's writings and most of the historical works relating to this
formative period in the Baha'i Faith. We do believe in "Independent Investigation of the Truth,"
after all. ""

I respond:
Abdul-Baha believed in and taught that the individual believer's "conscience is to be
respected," unlike Shoghi Effendi, who actually taught, as does the Haifan Baha'i
"administration" today, that one must put aside independent investigation once one
becomes a member of its organization. Only a cult brainwashes its members to reject the
God-given, rational intellect that distinguishes the human being.

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