The Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

This file contains extensive documentation of bahai censorship on AOL. Related material may also be found at Maneck

Subject: Re: URLs
Date: 12/1/2001 9:22 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011201102255.14937.00000202@mb-fr.aol.com>

>The question has arisen as to the use of URLs. It is perfectly okay to post a
>URL to a website on this board so long as the material on that website is in
>keeping with the Board purpose, along with TOS and community standards. If
>not, such a post may be removed.
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles
>

And as a bahai fundamentalist you define and decide what is in keeping with
the purpose of the board.... That's the problem in my opinion and that of many
other people now for years..... Under such a specious interpretation of AOL
TOS rules and the bahai writings, you may spam YOUR URL all over these bahai
message boards?

Is Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan, a real university
unlike the one you tutor at, going to have his website suppressed while yours
is allowed? AOL TOSGeneral and others should note Prof. Cole has widely
published on bahai censorship on and off the Internet, including a book with
Columbia University Press.

Further examples of Ms. Maneck's unfairness on AOL, with only her
fundamentalist website allowed:

>and as such should be investigated and
studied by scientists. (31 December
>1937, to an individual)
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>"My heart goes out to the Baha'is of Iran.
They have suffered
>>more at the hands of their countrymen than that cult in Waco."
>>
>>--Dan Quayle
>
>Rule,
>
>Did Quayle really say that?
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist.
I'd be very careful.
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
> >Terrorist cells around
>>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad.
>
>I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11.
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Community Leader concealing evidence of her abusing TOS rules
Date: 11/30/2001 6:38 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011130073827.09100.00000004@mb-mv.aol.com>

Shahid, Ms. Maneck, is removing messages of hers in which she spams her URL
all over AOL bahai messages boards while suppressing and TOSing fellow bahais
like myself who do not share her fundamentalist views.

I ask the TOSGeneral to please ask her to desist or replace her who someone
who can be a fair and impartial community leader.
FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Open Letter to TOSGeneral
Date: 11/30/2001 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011130084420.09100.00000016@mb-mv.aol.com>

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?
Date: 11/30/2001 8:16 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011130091605.09100.00000022@mb-mv.aol.com>

TOSGeneral:

Please find below yet another example of Ms. Maneck, Shahid, the bahai message
boards community leader, posting her own URL while TOSing anyone who posts
URLs to more liberal bahai sites.

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

>Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?
>Date: 9/9/2001 9:03 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Smaneck
>Message-id: <20010909220324.18255.00001516@mb-md.aol.com>
>
>
>>The apparent intention is indeed to suppress the Israeli newspaper report of
>>the uhj receiving "irregular tax breaks."
>>
>
>What those 'irregular tax breaks' are all about is the fact that Baha'is get
>a rebate of value added taxes as a religious organization.
>Big deal! I guess there are some members of the religious right who probably
>object to anyone but Orthodox Jews getting those. But if Fred can make it
>look like a case of corruption, you can be sure he will.
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Disagreements with TOS and/or community guidelines
Date: 12/1/2001 9:26 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011201102602.14937.00000203@mb-fr.aol.com>

>Subject: Disagreements with TOS and/or community guidelines
>Date: 12/1/2001 4:12 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: LDRS LFST Shahid
>Message-id: <20011201041245.02572.00000303@mb-dh.aol.com>
>
>
>
>Hey everyone :) I know that strong opinions abound, but please remember
>that the message boards are not the place to carry on personal arguments nor
>disagreements of TOS and/or community guidelines.
>
>The best sources of information for questions or disagreements with actions
>taken are LDRS LFST Mgr, TOSGeneral, or Keyword TOSQuestions.
>
>Thank you for understanding everyone :)
>
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles
>

You're making an utterly false appeareance here of fairness and
reasonableness. Anyone remotely familiar with your history of censorship and
coercion of conscience on AOL will not fail to recognize what you're really
doing here.

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress my posts re talk.religion.bahai?
Date: 12/1/2001 9:38 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011201103847.14937.00000205@mb-fr.aol.com>

Your suggestion here is completely bogus. I have not posted the same message.
Your distorting and misrepresenting my posts in order to suit your
fundamentalist motives and justify your wish to fraudulently TOS me. You're
obviously playing to the choir, the TOSGeneral in this case.

The repeated posting of your URL is okay, though, of course....

>Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress my posts re talk.religion.bahai?
>Date: 11/30/2001 1:08 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: LDRS LFST Shahid
>Message-id: <20011130010806.12953.00000033@mb-ch.aol.com>
>
>
>Dear friends,
>
>I would like to remind everyone that a given post should only be made once on
>this board within any thirty day period. Otherwise it constitutes spam and as
>such will be considered disruptive.
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles
>
>
>
>
>
>

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

The community leader regularly slanders me and allows others to as well. As a
bahai for over 25 years, my bahai ID card may be found on my website at The
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship

This is merely one more example of her not fairly fulfilling her AOL duties.

FG

bahai message boards> Questions to Community Leaders> Proselytizing

>ubject: Re: Proselytizing
>Date: 12/12/2001 11:46 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Smaneck
>Message-id: <20011212114659.22386.00003182@mb-md.aol.com>
>
>
>>
>>When you, as a person who is not a Baha'i, come here and try to persuade
>>Baha'is to abandon their beliefs and join your religion you are
>>proselytizing.
>
>Dear Sunni,
>
>I don't think Fred can be said to have a religion. He has not promoted
>*anything* of a positive nature about his beliefs, he has only trashed the
>Baha'i Faith. Were he even to present an alternative Baha'i Faith here, we
>would have to accept that. After all, even Covenant breaking posts are
>permitted in this forum.
>
>What is confusing here, is that Fred continues to call himself a Baha'i
>although he is not a part of the Baha'i community or any alternative. Nor is
>he presenting any alternative vision which he calls Baha'i. And he would be
>free to do that here.
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

The Baha'i Technique

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During the last several years a number of observers have noted common
methods many fundamentalist Bahais use to avoid various issues or discredit
people who hold opinions other than their own:
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Dermod Ryder, September 19, 2001:
"And then Eureka! I realised why Fred gets the treatment he does . . .
for Fred has painstakingly not only assembled the evidence of the canker
within but he constantly publicises it to the extent that he really gets up
noses and AO noses at that! . . . I basically agree with him that the AO
terrorises people - terror is more than bombs or kamikaze aircraft. A
whispered aside in the right circumstances can instil terror (like a threat
to be made a CB) - most ethnic cleansing is carried out by a piece of
"good" advice to the effect that one would be better off NOT living in this
neighbourhood, from a gentleman who is known or assumed to have the
"right connections" to ensure the advice is heeded. Twenty years ago the
AO tried that particular threatening tactic on with me and were told where
they could stick it! Others can also testify to that including Dennis Rogers
whose experiences were posted on TRB recently. And you guys hate
Fred for this, for his continued exposing of the sewer that the AO has
become. Of course you all hate Juan, Alison, Michael, Nima etc as well
and for the same reason and give them the same treatment but somewhat
reduced for they don't post as much as Fred who is just a real pain in the
butt for doing what he does so well! Fred is an avid counter terrorist and
he's good at it as the whimpering from the BIGS proves!"

Mr Mahdi, November 14, 2000:
"The extremism of those who are trying to get Fred Glaysher off the Internet
is beyond any rational justification, for the simple fact that Fred does not
use any lewd or obscene language nor does he post irrelevant topics that are
not worthy of discussion. Bahais seem to be so obsessed at maintaining their
superficial "progressive" image that anything that exposes the . . .
hypocrisy of the bahai faith are suppressed and attacked, in order for the
bahais to keep deceiving people into thinking that these are unwarranted and
baseless attacks and accusations which hold no weight in reality."

Professor Juan Cole, University of Michigan, June 12, 1998:
"Let me ask you why in the world you think that I would risk my professional
reputation by publicly stating falsehoods? ...The very technique of the more
glaze-eyed among these people is to unbearably bully a Baha'i whom they
don't like, use unjustified threats of declaring him or her a CB [Covenant
Breaker (heretic)] to silence the individual, and if the person will not be
silenced, then to depend upon the gullibility of the Baha'is in refusing to
listen to any victim's story because, of course, the Baha'i institutions are
infallible and divinely guided and could never do anything wrong. It is a
perfect racket."
"Of course, this technique of making liberals go away has been enormously
successful, and ex-Baha'i liberals have no credibility with the remaining
Baha'is nor do most of them have any energy to continue to make a case,
either to the Baha'is or the outside world, for the incredible abuses that
go on inside this organization ostensibly committed to tolerance!"

Professor Juan Cole, February 23, 1999:
"There is nothing to be puzzled by. Right wing Baha'is only like to hear the
sound of their own voices (which are the only voices they will admit to
being "Baha'i" at all)."
"Obviously, the world is so constructed that they cannot in fact only hear
their own voices. They are forced to hear other voices that differ from
theirs. This most disturbs them when the voices come from enrolled Baha'isor
when the voices speak of the Baha'i faith."
"The way they sometimes deal with the enrolled Baha'is is to summon them to
a heresy inquiry and threaten them with being shunned if they do not fall
silent."
"With non-Baha'is or with ex-Baha'is, they deal with their speech about the
faith by backbiting, slandering and libelling the speaker. You will note
that since I've been on this list I have been accused of long-term heresy,
of "claiming authority," of out and out lying (though that was retracted,
twice), of misrepresentation, of 'playing fast and loose with the facts,'
and even of being 'delusional.' I have been accused of all these falsehoods
by *Baha'is*, by prominent Baha'is. I have been backbitten by them."
"This shows that all the talk about the danger a sharp tongue can do, all
the talk about the need for harmony, for returning poison with honey, for a
sin-covering eye, is just *talk* among right wing Baha'is. No one fights
dirtier than they when they discover a voice they cannot silence and cannot
refute."
"Paul Johnson has seen all these things, as well, for the past five years.
He can explain it to you."

FG, May 12, 1992:
"The Baha'i Faith has become very oppressive and manipulative of the
individual. That to me is merely a statement of fact, as I have experienced
it, for nearly sixteen years now [since 1976]. The usual stratagem in
dealing with anyone who would express his conscience in good faith is to
pretend the Cause is above any kind of criticism whatsoever while intimating
that anyone who would speak honestly must have something wrong with him,
i.e., his spiritual life isn't what it should be, he doesn't understand the
nature of unity, or he's accused of trying to obtain power for himself,
which at times seems merely a calculated way of discrediting the person, and
so on. Another common strategy used to acquire control over the individual
is to humor the person by letting him pour himself out, etc., and then
self-righteously giving him the Truth."

Ron House, November 14, 1997:
"I know what you mean. I've found over the years that there is a technique
used by traditional Baha'is and others to squash dissension: harry the
dissenter so much he says something intemperate, then point out how 'loving'
and 'compassionate' they are and how nasty the dissenter is. The trouble is
that this technique works, so I've been making a conscious effort not to
fall for it. Also, when they get the dissenter discouraged and miserable
enough, he invariably makes a slip-up sooner or later that they can REALLY
let loose the venom over. IMHO, they did this to you when you misread
Sharon's intentions. At any other time, they would overlook faults, as
Baha'u'llah says, but when they're in this mode they go for the jugular.Very
sad."

Fran Baker, May 1998:
"Just have to say that in my experience this is a common technique of
manipulative people in general; it is especially effective with thoughtful
people who are willing to see both sides of things, i.e., their own fault. I
consider this brow-beating technique to be a form of abuse. The only way to
deal with it is to call them on it every time and to refuse to let yourself
be beat up, i.e., not to do your part of the "tango." This can be very hard
to do, but it works.You can break this pattern in a personal relationship. I
don't know whether it's possible when a groupacts this way. Very scary."

FG, June 1998:
"Some of the most striking methods demonstrated repeatedly by many Bahais
during the last year and a half of discussion about an unmoderated newsgroup
is their refusal to listen and respond to the criticisms of those who are in
favor of talk.religion.bahai, ignoring their concerns, never responding
analytically to their messages and reasoning and logic and evidence,
attacking them through character assassination and ad hominem, ganging up on
individuals, and "circling the wagons" around every action of the srb
moderators or others who are opposed to talk.religion.bahai."

K. Paul Johnson, September 15, 1998:
"If that principle [people are innocent until proven guilty] were followed
by Baha'i administration and individuals in their condemnations of their
fellow believers, I would have very little to complain about regarding
Baha'i affairs. But character assassination by innuendo is the preferred way
of dealing with anything remotely resembling dissidence. Seems like that's
exactly what you're doing to Juan Cole in your message. Saying I don't want
to know what you've "got" on him, thus attacking me but insinuating you have
some awful proof of unspecified guilt on his part. If that's not character
assassination by innuendo, what is?"

Gibro28W, October 12, 1998:"In summary, the biggest problem, as I see it, is
that most Baha'is don't take criticism seriously--they tune it out as
"negative" or "harmful to spiritual growth." This selfish attitude is very
stupid. First of all, Baha'is entice people to join them. When they do, they
indoctrinate them until they think like the group. But as soon as a red
flare of doubt goes up in the convert's mind, they're cordoned off by the
group and reminded of their "spiritual" obligations in the name of
Baha'u'llah or the "Covenant." If left unresolved and doubt gives vent to
prolonged criticism, the convert is sent packing or is kicked out. What we
have here is a broken family that had failed to truly listen to the needs of
its members in the first
place.

David Langness, 31 Mar 1997:
"I would advise you to be careful about any meetings, calls or
correspondence
with Hoda Mahmoudi, who used to be an ABM here in Southern California. She
is quite conservative, and sees herself -- as do many of the appointed
branch, sadly -- as a staunch defender of the Faith and the faithful, able
and more than willing to marginalize people like you and I to discredit our
ideas. This cultlike practice of shunning and casting out any dissidents
has unfortunately become the chief tactic of those fundamentalist Baha'is
bent on maintaining the current leadership. My worry is that the more
progressive Baha'is like Juan Cole and Steve Scholl and yourself will all
leave the Faith and thereby increase the power of the conservatives."

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Cf. K. Paul Johnson's general reflections on coercive techniques

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Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck
Date: 12/19/2001 1:57 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: Smaneck
Message-id: <20011219015744.26000.00001315@mb-md.aol.com>

Well, well, Freddy, I see you've made an interesting bed-fellow with "Death
to Baha'is" Muslim militant, Mr. Madhi.

And you've been trying to persuade people your crusade is against
fundamentalism.

Try and keep the white powder off the board though, would you?
warmest, Susan

https://www.susanmaneck.com

Subj: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i
Date: 12/23/2001 3:30:51 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: LDRS LFST Shahid
To: Glaysh112001
CC: LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry

Dear Member,

Regarding your messages posted at: Baha'i Message Boards

To avoid further disruption to the message board, your posts have been
removed. Please review Keyword: Message Board Product Guidelines and Keyword:
Spirituality Message Board Standards for more information on what is
appropriate in our community.

Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted
to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.

Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot respond
to replies. Please address any questions or comments to LDRS LFST Mgr.

Regards,

LDRS LFST Shahid
Volunteer Message Board Host
AOL Lifestyles

Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL
Date: 12/19/2001 7:56 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011219085618.01592.00000009@mb-ch.aol.com>

Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, Ask the Staff goes around Maneck as well.

I urge everyone to realize it's difficult to get AOL's attention but it can be
done!!! Persist!

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
Subject: How to Report Maneck to AOL
Date: 12/10/2001 6:45 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011210074556.11242.00002825@mb-fi.aol.com>

Those tired of Maneck posting her URL should see the relevant thread at
Question to Community Leaders. Or call and complain at 800-827-6364.

Also Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, and then Ask the Staff, works well
too. It goes over Maneck's head, as I was told on the phone.

Incidentally, when you email the TOSGeneral it goes directly to Maneck, nobody
else, which is again why you have to go around her now if you're tired of her
manipulating TOS rules and employing her double standards on many fronts.

As a bahai for over 25 years, I'm very tired of her dishonest manipulation of
AOL and wish AOL would replace her with an honest person who fairly allows all
views to be heard.

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: When is it o.k. not to forgive some one.according to the
writings?
Date: 12/13/2001 6:04 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011213070458.26004.00000008@mb-md.aol.com>

>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Spam....

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL
Date: 12/13/2001 6:06 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011213070646.26004.00000011@mb-md.aol.com>

>Gee, that's news to me.
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

That's what I was told by AOL.

Still spamming your URL.....

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Sharing Knowledge
Date: 12/15/2001 7:02 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011215080235.12941.00000208@mb-cu.aol.com>

>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

NOT fair....

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL
Date: 12/19/2001 7:56 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011219085618.01592.00000009@mb-ch.aol.com>

Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, Ask the Staff goes around Maneck as well.

I urge everyone to realize it's difficult to get AOL's attention but it can be
done!!! Persist!

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL
Date: 12/19/2001 3:07 PM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011219160728.06255.00000146@mb-mq.aol.com>

We can also snail mail AOL with a complaint about Maneck's fundamentalist
double standard or whatever. Here's the address:

AOL Customer Service
PO Box 10810
Herdon, VA 20170

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Sticks and stones...a few lizard tails...some gizzards...and
dinner is ready!
Date: 12/10/2001 7:12 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011210081226.11242.00002830@mb-fi.aol.com>

>Gee, where can I get that clock?
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Please stop spamming your URL to AOL.

Those tired of Maneck's double standard in this regard should see my note at
Announcements.

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Sticks and stones...
Date: 12/10/2001 7:13 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011210081359.11242.00002831@mb-fi.aol.com>

>And even then, they must be doing this knowingly. As you know from your
>participation on TRB, there are at least
>three individuals lately that were engaging in the kind of activity I
>mentioned. But they were not declared Covenant breakers, rather they were
>removed from the rolls. Why? Because the Universal House of Justice
>determined they did not really meet the criteria of membership and hence were
>not wholly obligated to the provisions of the Covenant.
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com

Now here's a sample of the way in which Maneck SLANDERS people on AOL....

Note too her double standard URL.....

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Why brainwashed Baha'is don't trust Prof. Juan Cole anymore
Date: 12/11/2001 6:46 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011211074644.12731.00001739@mb-cu.aol.com>

>The truth.
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

The truth is you are violating TOS rules regularly by posting your
fundamentalist website URL while TOSing liberal-minded bahais like myself who
attempt to present the other side of various issues.

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Ahh---the Pain - the Pain
Date: 12/14/2001 11:30 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011214123002.29393.00000366@mb-ch.aol.com>

>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Double standard.

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: My URL
Date: 12/14/2001 11:35 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011214123526.29393.00000367@mb-ch.aol.com>

Anyone else tired of Shahid/Maneck's double standard?

The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

Call AOL and complain or use Keyword Notify AOL,
Message Boards, Ask the Staff.

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: My URL
Date: 12/15/2001 6:42 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011215074232.12941.00000199@mb-cu.aol.com>

>He does it so his post will be removed and then he can complain that he is
>being censored -- denied his freedom of speech. He will also claim the
>Baha'is are doing it to him -- he will not admit that he violated AOL TOS.
>

False. It's obvious to any honest person that Maneck is SPAMMING the message
boards with her URL while TOSing me and others.

She is in violation of the TOS rules which anyone may corroborate by calling
800-827-6364 or Notify AOL, Message Boards, Ask the Stafff.

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: My URL
Date: 12/15/2001 6:43 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011215074331.12941.00000200@mb-cu.aol.com>

>https://www.susanmaneck.com

There's nothing cute about shameless violation of the TOS rules.

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Sticks and stones...
Date: 12/15/2001 7:01 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011215080123.12941.00000207@mb-cu.aol.com>

>ttention from her. ;-}
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

TOS violation # 3,452....

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
Subject: Re: Sticks and stones...
Date: 12/15/2001 7:01 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011215080123.12941.00000207@mb-cu.aol.com>

>ttention from her. ;-}
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

TOS violation # 3,452....

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Posting URLs
Date: 12/20/2001 7:12 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011220081221.01511.00000315@mb-ch.aol.com>

>I would like to ask if it is considered spam if a hyperlink for a url is part
>of a signature line?
>

Not if it's her URL. Otherwise, it's definitely spam....

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Posting URLs
Date: 12/20/2001 7:14 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011220081456.01511.00000316@mb-ch.aol.com>

You're not citing AOL's policy on URLs. Attempting to justify spamming your
own?

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Posting URLs
Date: 12/21/2001 7:07 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011221080725.20183.00000391@mb-ba.aol.com>

>"We encourage members to provide hyperlinks in their posts where applicable,
>but please keep in mind that those websites must not violate AOL's Community
>Guidelines.

Post a link to that quotation. THAT is not what more than one AOL
representative told me on the phone. Further, your fundamentalist
interpretation of what is "appropriate" is not the same as AOL's but reveals
your manipulation of the TOS rules in service of your fanatical views.

You've been violating the TOS rules with impunity for years....

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Posting URLs
Date: 12/21/2001 7:07 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011221080725.20183.00000391@mb-ba.aol.com>

>"We encourage members to provide hyperlinks in their posts where applicable,
>but please keep in mind that those websites must not violate AOL's Community
>Guidelines.

Post a link to that quotation. THAT is not what more than one AOL
representative told me on the phone. Further, your fundamentalist
interpretation of what is "appropriate" is not the same as AOL's but reveals
your manipulation of the TOS rules in service of your fanatical views.

You've been violating the TOS rules with impunity for years....

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Proselytizing
Date: 12/13/2001 6:01 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011213070118.26004.00000007@mb-md.aol.com>

>that here.
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Right. Still double-standard spamming your URL, I see....

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: URLs
Date: 12/16/2001 9:22 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011216102219.12878.00000468@mb-cu.aol.com>

Deleting my message doesn't conceal the fact that you continue to suppress
URLs of a liberal disposition versus your fanatical opinions....

The "community leader" knows very well she is violating the TOS rules to her
advantage while suppressing URLs to any more liberal-minded bahai sites such
as mine. All I ask for is fairness from AOL and she is not capable of
providing it and has not now for years. I'm tired of it and ask that she be
treated accordingly or removed and replaced with someone who can be fair.

I've used Notify AOL, Message Boards, Ask the Staff many times to no avail.
The community leader in question, Shahid/Susan Maneck knows she can rely on
AOL not caring enough about an obscure religion board to do anything about
it. Please prove her wrong....

Thank you for your help.

FG

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck
Date: 12/17/2001 6:16 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011217071635.05612.00000905@mb-fo.aol.com>

For insight into what is the result of the incessant censorship imposed on the
bahai message boards by Shahid/Maneck, see below:

---

>It may be Maneck and the fundamentalist bahais
>have a mole, in a sense, inside AOL who is protecting her/them, all the
>more reason to go around her....

That is one of the reasons why I have yet to call AOL and report to them what
goes on in the bahai message boards. I see calling them an exercise in
futility and unfortunately that made me skeptical into thinking calling will
do
any change.

It is also unfortunate that AOL does not have a system where members of AOL
can
vote for people whom they want to see moderate their message boards and other
forums. You, me, and many people for the past several years have been
harrassed by the coward bahai extremists. Recently, one of my messages was
removed by the fanatic Maneck using the anonymous handle "Shahid." "Shahid,"
aka Maneck refuses to use her real name when moderating posts, something that
the busta Mark Foster wouldn't even do (he as you know made it clear he was
the
moderator).

May you Fred or someone else here can find a way to convince AOL to have a
third party or a fair-minded person on AOL to investigate the matter and see
the double-standard and outright hypocrisy of the bahai extremist domination
of
bahai forums on AOL. Because with taking this course, complaining to AOL will
become something done in vain, unfortunately.

Mahdi Muhammad

---

Please do something to STOP the continual suppression of discussion here on
AOL by Susan Maneck.

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck
Date: 12/19/2001 7:47 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011219084739.01592.00000004@mb-ch.aol.com>

3rd message from Mahdi on what Maneck is doing on AOL:

>Forgive me for sound a bit pessimistic, but the I went through

"Forgive me for sounding a bit pessimistic, but the experience I went
through..." (I got a bad habit of not proofreading my posts!)

At any rate, I would like to add that I know that the fanatical behavior of
the
"forum leaders" on AOL bahai message boards has led to not only people
leaving,
but having suspended and cancelled accounts over messages that do not contain
profanity, slander, threats, spamming and so on. I have talked to people in
chat rooms on AOL about members have their accounts terminated over posts that
do not contain the above-mentioned things. Many of them thought I was lying
or
at least exaggerating because they thought it was too crazy to be true.

Thanks to the bahai extremist domination on AOL bahai message boards, even the
unbelievable has become a reality!

Mahdi Muhammad

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck
Date: 12/19/2001 7:47 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011219084700.01592.00000003@mb-ch.aol.com>

Another message reposted regarding Maneck's abuse of AOL:

>BASICALLY, hikmat as interpreted by Maneck means she may lie and deceive all
>she wants in "service" of the faith..... It's her modus operandi....

Yes, her fanatical interpretation of "hikmat" has made her into a wolf in
sheep's clothing. I that believe as a result, her and Mark Foster's bullying
on the bahai message boards has led to people to leave the message boards in
utter disgust of the double-standards and "good-ole' boy" system they got
going
on there where certain people have carte blanche while others (like me and
you)
do not.

You Fred have documented on your site instances of outright double-standards
employed by Foster and Maneck. I would like to ask you kindly to post in a
new
message to newsgroups and elsewhere the quotes of AOL members as well as
others
who complained and documented the double-standard and hypocrisy of Foster and
Maneck and their extremist supporters.

Forgive me for sound a bit pessimistic, but the I went through on the AOL
bahai
message boards have made me feel hopeless into thinking that fighting for
rights on AOL will do any good. Maybe if we constantly remind AOL staff by
either calling them or sending them emails about what goes on, then perhaps
there will be a chance that justice will prevail.

Hopefully something will be done and AOL will be heedful of our complaints and
warnings.

Mahdi Muhammad
FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck
Date: 12/19/2001 2:57 PM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011219155747.06255.00000143@mb-mq.aol.com>

Maneck and you are the ones spewing out hatred, slander, and distortions. Both
honest people among my fellow Bahais and non-Bahais of discernment
increasingly realize that fact.

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck
Date: 12/20/2001 7:02 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011220080242.01511.00000311@mb-ch.aol.com>

More smear and misrepresentations do not constitute addressing the issues of
YOUR spamming your URL here on AOL and elsewhere for that matter....

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck
Date: 12/20/2001 7:10 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011220081007.01511.00000314@mb-ch.aol.com>

>Mark Foster

Foster was almost as bad of a "leader" here as Maneck. AOL representatives
should look at my website under AOL Censorship for extensive documentation of
that fact....

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
From: "Brent Madison Reed" <brentmreed@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Susan, I found your long lost relatives/Maneck sends virus to
Baha'iAngst
Date: Thursday, December 27, 2001 1:54 PM

Miss Maneck:

It is difficult for me to believe what you have just stated. Except
for your private inquiries to me back in 1997 (to another email
address) we have had no direct contact. Why would you put my hotmail
email address in your address book? You have no reason to contact
someone that you have publicly referred to as a spiritual contagion.
Please give us a better excuse. This one isn't good enough.

It interesting too, that I received the virus immediately after
reporting you to AOL for a matter involving your censorship of one of
my postings. At that time you were very angry.

smaneck@aol.com (Susan Maneck ) wrote in message
news:<20011227053359.18585.00001902@mb-bk.aol.com>...
> >
> >
> >Maneck sends Baha'i Angst a virus:
> >
> >https://www.geocities.com/baahith/BackAgain.html
> >
> >
>
> Cute, Nima.
>
> While I did catch a virus (badtrans) which was then sent out to everyone in
my
> address book, I don't think it could possibly have infected your websites.
> Websites aren't in my address book.
> Susan Maneck
> Associate Professor of History
> Jackson State University
>
> "And we were gathered in one place, a generation lost in space, with no time
> left to start again . . "
> Don McLean's American Pie
> https://bahaistudies.net/susanmaneck/ From: "Mr Mahdi" <mrmahdi@aol.com>
Subject: Extremist Maneck violates AOL's TOS with impunity
Date: Friday, December 28, 2001 7:04 AM

Susan Maneck, the extremist bahai fanatic who is "in charge" of the bahai
message boards on AOL, continues to violate AOL's TOS by posting her URLs and
attacking other members such as me and friend with slanderous allegations and
snide remarks. Extremist Maneck has TOSed posts from me, Fred and others that
did not violate AOL's TOS rules. She is becoming a fascist dictator with her
"forum leader" title, suppressing those who do not toe her line of fanatical
viewpoints and agenda.

Maneck is just another example of what me, Fred Glaysher and others are
warning
about: extremist elements in the bahai faith that have been successful in
manipulating, deceiving ISPs such as AOL, acting with outright double-
standards
and harrassing non extremists and open-minded individuals on forums such as
message boards and chat rooms.

Please visit Fred's site to find extensive proof of Maneck's double-standards
and violation of TOS rules with absolute impunity.

Mahdi Muhammad Subject: Re: Mr. Mahdi's fibs won't be rewarded by Santa this
year.
Date: 12/29/2001 4:31 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: Mr Mahdi
Message-id: <20011229043107.07120.00001207@mb-dd.aol.com>

Greetings Fred,

>While I have no knowledge of whethering Mr. Mahdi ever said such a thing, I
>know I can not trust any claim made by the fundamentalists among my fellow
>bahais who regularly misrepresent and outright LIE about people in order to
>discredit them....

Of course, I never said what I have been accused of saying. I would like to
reiterate that the subject was about Islam's view of punishing apostates.
Later on, what I said was twisted and distorted as a smear campaign against
me. This continues to be the case to this very day.

The Quran says produce evidence if you are truthful. It is very interesting
to note that none of the allegations made against me is corroborated with
evidence. Susan has till this very day brought forth any evidence to support
her allegations.

I detest the slander against me, Fred and others who are being harrassed and
bullied here.

Mahdi Muhammad

From: Glayshf@aol.com[SMTP:Glayshf@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 6:18 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board

<<Message: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board>>
AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among our fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

The bahai community leader is harassing me trying to suppress all knowledge
and discussion about the major lawsuit against the bahai faith recently filed
in New Mexico. Please ask him to desist.

This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to
fundamentalist sites and events....

A clear example of the way AOL is manipulated and freedom of speech and
conscience are regularly DAMAGED by AOL's indulgence.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://www.angelfire.com/mi3/bahai/

----------
From: Glayshf@aol.com[SMTP:Glayshf@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 6:18 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board

<<Message: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board>>
AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among our fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

The bahai community leader is harassing me trying to suppress all knowledge
and discussion about the major lawsuit against the bahai faith recently filed
in New Mexico. Please ask him to desist.

This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to
fundamentalist sites and events....

A clear example of the way AOL is manipulated and freedom of speech and
conscience are regularly DAMAGED by AOL's indulgence.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://www.angelfire.com/mi3/bahai/

----------
From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:27 PM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com; TOSGen1@aol.com; FG@home.com
Subject: Re: Violence as an instrument

<HTML>> >Terrorist cells around
>>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad.
>
>I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11.
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else
who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not
share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship

</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

----------
From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:46 PM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com; FG@home.com
Subject: Re: Former Vice President speaks out

<HTML>>>"My heart goes out to the Baha'is of Iran.
They have suffered
>>more at the hands of their countrymen than that cult in Waco."
>>
>>--Dan Quayle
>
>Rule,
>
>Did Quayle really say that?
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else
who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not
share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship
</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

----------
From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:48 PM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com; FG@home.com
Subject: Re: Former Vice President speaks out

<HTML>>His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist.
I'd be very careful.
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else
who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not
share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why she
is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship </HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

----------
From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:52 PM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com; FG@home.com
Subject: Re: Cloning Around

<HTML>>and as such should be investigated and studied
by scientists. (31 December
>1937, to an individual)
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else
who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not
share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why she
is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship
</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

----------
From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:01 PM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com; FG@home.com
Subject: Re: Are you going to allow slander?

<HTML>>Subject: Re: Are you going to allow slander?
>Date: 9/6/2001 11:18 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: WScott1995
>Message-id: <20010907001831.20750.00000610@mb-fo.aol.com>
>
>
>Shahid,
>
>I don't need a document. Anyone who spends as much time as Fred does trying
>to make the Baha'i Faith and its members look bad can't be a Baha'i. It's
>really very simple, isn't it?
>
>Love and peace, Wendy ~~~{~{@
>R
>"There's only one race. The human race. You're either in or you're out."
>Lou Mattoni (Scott Bakula), Mean Streak
>

The community leader, Shahid, Ms. Maneck, is selectively permitting slander on
the bahai message boards.

</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

----------
From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:36 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Please remove posts.

<<Message: Re: Please remove posts.>>
AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm
It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

----------
From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:37 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Are you going to suppress my posts re talk.religion.bahai?

<<Message: Re: Are you going to suppress my pos...>>
AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm
It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

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From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:40 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: LDRSLFSTJerry@aol.com; FG@home.com
Subject: Re: Board Posting at Baha'i

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

----------
From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:41 AM
To: FG@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Please remove posts.

<<Message: Re: Please remove posts.>>
phone #

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From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:16 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com; FG@home.com
Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?

<HTML>TOSGeneral:

Please find below yet another example of Ms. Maneck, Shahid, the bahai message
boards community leader, posting her own URL while TOSing anyone who posts
URLs to more liberal bahai sites.

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

>Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?
>Date: 9/9/2001 9:03 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Smaneck
>Message-id: <20010909220324.18255.00001516@mb-md.aol.com>
>
>
>>The apparent intention is indeed to suppress the Israeli newspaper report of
>>the uhj receiving "irregular tax breaks."
>>
>
>What those 'irregular tax breaks' are all about is the fact that Baha'is get
>a rebate of value added taxes as a religious organization.
>Big deal! I guess there are some members of the religious right who probably
>object to anyone but Orthodox Jews getting those. But if Fred can make it
>look like a case of corruption, you can be sure he will.
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

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From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:26 AM
To: BenKucharski@aol.com
Cc: FG@home.com
Subject: Bahai message boards, URL posted by community leader

Ben,

Nice talking with you and thank you for your help. Please find the message I
mentioned to you at the end, along several excerpts from messages that appear
all over the bahai message boards.

As I mentioned, I and others believe this volunteer leader regularly abuses
her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?
Date: 9/9/2001 9:03 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Smaneck
Message-id: <20010909220324.18255.00001516@mb-md.aol.com>

>The apparent intention is indeed to suppress the Israeli newspaper report of
>the uhj receiving "irregular tax breaks."
>

What those 'irregular tax breaks' are all about is the fact that Baha'is get
a rebate of value added taxes as a religious organization.
Big deal! I guess there are some members of the religious right who probably
object to anyone but Orthodox Jews getting those. But if Fred can make it
look like a case of corruption, you can be sure he will.
warmest, Susan

https://www.susanmaneck.com

--------------------
Further examples of Shahid or Ms. Maneck's unfairness on AOL scattered all
over the bahai message boards:

<HTML>>and as such should be investigated and
studied by scientists. (31 December
>1937, to an individual)
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
<A
HREF="https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship">https://members.fortuneci
ty.com/bahaicensorship</A>

</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>
<HTML>>>"My heart goes out to the Baha'is of Iran.
They have suffered
>>more at the hands of their countrymen than that cult in Waco."
>>
>>--Dan Quayle
>
>Rule,
>
>Did Quayle really say that?
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
<A
HREF="https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship">https://members.fortuneci
ty.com/bahaicensorship</A>
</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>
<HTML>>His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist.
I'd be very careful.
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
<A
HREF="https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship">https://members.fortuneci
ty.com/bahaicensorship</A> </HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>
<HTML>> >Terrorist cells around
>>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad.
>
>I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11.
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
<A
HREF="https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship">https://members.fortuneci
ty.com/bahaicensorship</A>

</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

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From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 10:23 AM
To: BenKucharski@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Fwd: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i

<<Message: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i>>
Subj: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i
Date: 12/1/2001 4:52:13 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:LDRS LFST Shahid">LDRS LFST Shahid</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:Glaysh112001">Glaysh112001</A>
CC: <A HREF="mailto:LDRS LFST Mgr">LDRS LFST Mgr</A>, <A HREF="mailto:LDRS
LFST Jerry">LDRS LFST Jerry</A>

Dear Member:

Regarding your messages posted at: Baha'i Message Boards>Question to the
Community Leader.

To avoid further disruption to the message board, your posts have been
removed. Please review Keyword: <A
HREF="aol://1722:messageboardproductguidelines/">Message Board Product
Guidelines</A> and Keyword:
<A HREF=>Spirituality Message
Board Standards</A> for more information on what is
appropriate in our community.

Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted
to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.

Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot respond
to replies. Please address any questions or comments to LDRS LFST Mgr.

Regards,

LDRS LFST Shahid
Volunteer Message Board Host
AOL Lifestyles

Subject: Re: URLs
Date: 12/1/2001 9:22 AM Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="">Glaysh112001</A>
Message-id: <20011201102255.14937.00000202@mb-fr.aol.com>

>The question has arisen as to the use of URLs. It is perfectly okay to post a
>URL to a website on this board so long as the material on that website is in
>keeping with the Board purpose, along with TOS and community standards. If
>not, such a post may be removed.
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles
>

And as a bahai fundamentalist you define and decide what is in keeping with
the purpose of the board.... That's the problem in my opinion and that of
many other people now for years..... Under such a specious interpretation of
AOL TOS rules and the bahai writings, you may spam YOUR URL all over these
bahai message boards?

Is Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan, a real university
unlike the one you tutor at, going to have his website suppressed while yours
is allowed? AOL TOSGeneral and others should note Prof. Cole has widely
published on bahai censorship on and off the Internet, including a book with
Columbia University Press.

Further examples of Ms. Maneck's unfairness on AOL, with only her
fundamentalist website allowed:

>and as such should be investigated and
studied by scientists. (31 December
>1937, to an individual)
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
><A HREF="https://www.susanmaneck.com/">https://www.susanmaneck.com</A>
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>"My heart goes out to the Baha'is of Iran.
They have suffered
>>more at the hands of their countrymen than that cult in Waco."
>>
>>--Dan Quayle
>
>Rule,
>
>Did Quayle really say that?
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
><A HREF="https://www.susanmaneck.com/">https://www.susanmaneck.com</A>
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist.
I'd be very careful.
>warmest, Susan
>
><A HREF="https://www.susanmaneck.com/">https://www.susanmaneck.com</A>
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
> >Terrorist cells around
>>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad.
>
>I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11.
>
>warmest, Susan
>
><A HREF="https://www.susanmaneck.com/">https://www.susanmaneck.com</A>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Community Leader concealing evidence of her abusing TOS rules
Date: 11/30/2001 6:38 AM Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="">Glaysh112001</A>
Message-id: <20011130073827.09100.00000004@mb-mv.aol.com>

Shahid, Ms. Maneck, is removing messages of hers in which she spams her URL
all over AOL bahai messages boards while suppressing and TOSing fellow bahais
like myself who do not share her fundamentalist views.

I ask the TOSGeneral to please ask her to desist or replace her who someone
who can be a fair and impartial community leader.
FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Open Letter to TOSGeneral
Date: 11/30/2001 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="">Glaysh112001</A>
Message-id: <20011130084420.09100.00000016@mb-mv.aol.com>

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
<A HREF="https://www-
personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm">https://www-
personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm</A>

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?
Date: 11/30/2001 8:16 AM Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="">Glaysh112001</A>
Message-id: <20011130091605.09100.00000022@mb-mv.aol.com>

TOSGeneral:

Please find below yet another example of Ms. Maneck, Shahid, the bahai
message boards community leader, posting her own URL while TOSing anyone who
posts URLs to more liberal bahai sites.

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
<A HREF="https://www-
personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm">https://www-
personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm</A>

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

>Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?
>Date: 9/9/2001 9:03 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Smaneck
>Message-id: <20010909220324.18255.00001516@mb-md.aol.com>
>
>
>>The apparent intention is indeed to suppress the Israeli newspaper report of
>>the uhj receiving "irregular tax breaks."
>>
>
>What those 'irregular tax breaks' are all about is the fact that Baha'is get
>a rebate of value added taxes as a religious organization.
>Big deal! I guess there are some members of the religious right who probably
>object to anyone but Orthodox Jews getting those. But if Fred can make it
>look like a case of corruption, you can be sure he will.
>warmest, Susan
>
><A HREF="https://www.susanmaneck.com/">https://www.susanmaneck.com</A>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Disagreements with TOS and/or community guidelines
Date: 12/1/2001 9:26 AM Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="">Glaysh112001</A>
Message-id: <20011201102602.14937.00000203@mb-fr.aol.com>

>Subject: Disagreements with TOS and/or community guidelines
>Date: 12/1/2001 4:12 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: LDRS LFST Shahid
>Message-id: <20011201041245.02572.00000303@mb-dh.aol.com>
>
>
>
>Hey everyone :) I know that strong opinions abound, but please remember
>that the message boards are not the place to carry on personal arguments nor
>disagreements of TOS and/or community guidelines.
>
>The best sources of information for questions or disagreements with actions
>taken are LDRS LFST Mgr, TOSGeneral, or Keyword TOSQuestions.
>
>Thank you for understanding everyone :)
>
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles
>

You're making an utterly false appeareance here of fairness and
reasonableness. Anyone remotely familiar with your history of censorship and
coercion of conscience on AOL will not fail to recognize what you're really
doing here.

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress my posts re talk.religion.bahai?
Date: 12/1/2001 9:38 AM Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="">Glaysh112001</A>
Message-id: <20011201103847.14937.00000205@mb-fr.aol.com>

Your suggestion here is completely bogus. I have not posted the same message.
Your distorting and misrepresenting my posts in order to suit your
fundamentalist motives and justify your wish to fraudulently TOS me. You're
obviously playing to the choir, the TOSGeneral in this case.

The repeated posting of your URL is okay, though, of course....

>Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress my posts re talk.religion.bahai?
>Date: 11/30/2001 1:08 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: LDRS LFST Shahid
>Message-id: <20011130010806.12953.00000033@mb-ch.aol.com>
>
>
>Dear friends,
>
>I would like to remind everyone that a given post should only be made once on
>this board within any thirty day period. Otherwise it constitutes spam and as
>such will be considered disruptive.
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles
>
>
>
>
>
>

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

----------
From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 10:26 AM
To: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Fwd: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i

<<Message: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i>>
not the message I had posted; I had deleted URLs to my website

----------
From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 10:48 AM
To: benkucharski@aol.com; FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of Shahid's censorship

<HTML>Rule,

As a bahai for more than 25 years, I couldn't agree more with your analysis of
the way things stand in the bahai faith and here on AOL. Thanks for your
courage and persistence under severe conditions....

Fred

>Subject: The hypocrisy of Shahid's censorship
>Date: 12/2/2001 12:36 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Ruletherod
>Message-id: <20011202003621.16383.00000295@mb-ma.aol.com>
>
>
>Subject: Hate Speech
>Date: 12/1/2001 4:57 PM
>From: LDRS LFST Shahid
>
>
>
>Dear Members,
>
>Please keep in mind that this board is dedicated to discussion of the Baha'i
>Faith. We should avoid making derogatory comments about other religions here.
>Also, keep in mind that postings which contain hate speech and urge violence
>are not acceptable in any area of the service.
>
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles
>
>
> This is just plain old-fashioned censorship; you're overreacting
>again. You're trying to impose a sugarcoated world here in the name of
>the Baha'i Faith. Everything has to be politically correct!
>
> I think all of the derogatory talk about "covenant-breakers" being a
>"spiritual-illness" and the like is hate speech...but Baha'is have their
>double-standards about all this.
>
> The Taliban and the tyrants in Iran have one thing in common
>with Baha'is: censorship -- the suppression of free speech. As long
>as this happens, the world will reject the Baha'i Faith the way it has
>Fascism.
>
> What have you learned from the past, Shahid?
>You certainly know nothing about McCarthyism.
>
>--Rule
>
</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

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From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 5:16 PM
To: FG@home.com
Cc: LDRSLFSTMgr@aol.com; LDRSLFSTJerry@aol.com
Subject: Re: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i

I believe LDRS LFST Shahid the community leader of the bahai message boards
is either TOSing me a second for the very same message or has changed the
second message I posted under Questions to Community Leaders in which I had
deleted the link to my website. Please consult my original posts to determine
whether she has added my links back in and then passed it off to you as my
message in order to re-TOS me.

Thank you.

Fred Glaysher

Subj: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i
Date: 12/1/2001 5:24:30 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: LDRS LFST Shahid
To: Glaysh112001
CC: LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry

Dear Member:

Regarding your messages posted at: Baha'i Message Boards>General Discussion

To avoid further disruption to the message board, your posts have been
removed. Please review Keyword: Message Board Product Guidelines and Keyword:
Spirituality Message Board Standards for more information on what is
appropriate in our community.

Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted
to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.

Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot respond
to replies. Please address any questions or comments to LDRS LFST Mgr.

Regards,

LDRS LFST Shahid
Volunteer Message Board Host
AOL Lifestyles

Subject: Re: NM Lawsuit - Summary of Hearing to Dismiss
Date: 11/28/2001 11:23 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011128122319.22507.00003580@mb-cg.aol.com>

>>New Mexico LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL
>
>Oh, you mean that case that got thrown out of court!
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do
not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship

Subject: Re: Violence as an instrument
Date: 11/28/2001 11:27 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011128122703.22507.00003583@mb-cg.aol.com>

> >Terrorist cells around
>>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad.
>
>I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11.
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do
not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship

Subject: Re: Former Vice President speaks out
Date: 11/28/2001 11:46 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011128124622.13024.00002523@mb-mg.aol.com>

>>"My heart goes out to the Baha'is of Iran. They have suffered
>>more at the hands of their countrymen than that cult in Waco."
>>
>>--Dan Quayle
>
>Rule,
>
>Did Quayle really say that?
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do
not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Former Vice President speaks out
Date: 11/28/2001 11:48 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011128124832.13024.00002526@mb-mg.aol.com>

>His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist. I'd be very careful.
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do
not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why she
is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship
FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

----------
From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 8:35 AM
To: Cat@aol.com; BenKucharski@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Community Leader on Bahai message boards posts her URL

bahai message boards>Question to the Community Leaders

>Subject: URLs
>Date: 12/1/2001 4:15 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: LDRS LFST Shahid
>Message-id: <20011201041527.02572.00000304@mb-dh.aol.com>
>
>
>Dear Members,
>
>The question has arisen as to the use of t URLs. Iis perfectly okay to post a
>URL to a website on this board so long as the material on that website is in
>keeping with the Board purpose, along with TOS and community standards. If
>not, such a post may be removed.
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles

I'm emailing Ben Kucharski and the Community Action Team because it's proving
impossible to get the attention of anyone at AOL other than your form
responses from the TOSGeneral that refer me back to the community leader, WHO
IS THE PROBLEM and IS UNFAIRLY MANIPULATING TOS RULES!!!

The community leader of the bahai message boards, Shahid or Susan Maneck, is
regularly TOSing more liberal-minded people for posting URLs while posting
dozens of copies of her URL to her own fundamentalist website.

As I mentioned, I and other liberal-minded bahais believe this volunteer
leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack people
with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais
disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

I'm only asking for fairness! IF we shouldn't post URLs, neither should she!
She has now turned it into a "policy" permitting her to judge what is in
"keeping with the Board purpose" while suppressing anyone who disagrees with
her. See all of the examples below, scattered all over the bahai message
boards.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?
Date: 9/9/2001 9:03 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Smaneck
Message-id: <20010909220324.18255.00001516@mb-md.aol.com>

>The apparent intention is indeed to suppress the Israeli newspaper report of
>the uhj receiving "irregular tax breaks."
>

What those 'irregular tax breaks' are all about is the fact that Baha'is get
a rebate of value added taxes as a religious organization.
Big deal! I guess there are some members of the religious right who probably
object to anyone but Orthodox Jews getting those. But if Fred can make it
look like a case of corruption, you can be sure he will.
warmest, Susan

https://www.susanmaneck.com

--------------------
Further examples of Shahid or Ms. Maneck's unfairness on AOL scattered all
over the bahai message boards:

<HTML>>and as such should be investigated and
studied by scientists. (31 December
>1937, to an individual)
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
<A
HREF="https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship">https://members.fortuneci
ty.com/bahaicensorship</A>

</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>
<HTML>>>"My heart goes out to the Baha'is of Iran.
They have suffered
>>more at the hands of their countrymen than that cult in Waco."
>>
>>--Dan Quayle
>
>Rule,
>
>Did Quayle really say that?
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
<A
HREF="https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship">https://members.fortuneci
ty.com/bahaicensorship</A>
</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>
<HTML>>His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist.
I'd be very careful.
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
<A
HREF="https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship">https://members.fortuneci
ty.com/bahaicensorship</A> </HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>
<HTML>> >Terrorist cells around
>>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad.
>
>I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11.
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
<A
HREF="https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship">https://members.fortuneci
ty.com/bahaicensorship</A>

</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

----------
From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:32 AM
To: FG@hotmail.com; CAT@aol.com; benkucharski@aol.com
Subject: Re: URLs

<HTML>>Subject: URLs
>Date: 12/1/2001 4:15 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: LDRS LFST Shahid
>Message-id: <20011201041527.02572.00000304@mb-dh.aol.com>
>
>
>Dear Members,
>
>The question has arisen as to the use of URLs. It is perfectly okay to post a
>URL to a website on this board so long as the material on that website is in
>keeping with the Board purpose, along with TOS and community standards. If
>not, such a post may be removed.
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles

THAT'S not what AOL's TOS rules state, which prohibit, apparently, ALL URLs.
There's no codicil on yours, i.e., Susan Maneck.

Most normal people would call this a double standards. See below. Many other
examples exist all over the bahai message boards.

-------

like a case of corruption, you can be sure he will.
warmest, Susan

https://www.susanmaneck.com

--------------------

>1937, to an individual)
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com

>Did Quayle really say that?
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>
I'd be very careful.
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>
11.
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

----------
From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 7:11 AM
To: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Proselytizing

<HTML>Your usual slander, clear and simply....

>ubject: Re: Proselytizing
>Date: 12/12/2001 11:46 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Smaneck
>Message-id: <20011212114659.22386.00003182@mb-md.aol.com>
>
>
>>
>>When you, as a person who is not a Baha'i, come here and try to persuade
>>Baha'is to abandon their beliefs and join your religion you are
>>proselytizing.
>
>Dear Sunni,
>
>I don't think Fred can be said to have a religion. He has not promoted
>*anything* of a positive nature about his beliefs, he has only trashed the
>Baha'i Faith. Were he even to present an alternative Baha'i Faith here, we
>would have to accept that. After all, even Covenant breaking posts are
>permitted in this forum.
>
>What is confusing here, is that Fred continues to call himself a Baha'i
>although he is not a part of the Baha'i community or any alternative. Nor is
>he presenting any alternative vision which he calls Baha'i. And he would be
>free to do that here.
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

----------
From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 8:12 AM
To: BenKucharski@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: (no subject)

Ben,

Contacting AOL like sending an email into the blankness of the universe.

So here goes again:

Please look at the 9 message thread at bahai message boards > General
Discussion > My URL

The "community leader" knows very well she is violating the TOS rules to her
advantage while suppressing URLs to any more liberal-minded bahai sites such
as mine. All I ask for is fairness from AOL and she is not capable of
providing it and has not now for years. I'm tired of it and ask that she be
treated accordingly or removed and replaced with someone who can be fair.

I've used Notify AOL, Message Boards, Ask the Staff many times to no avail.
The community leader in question, Shahid/Susan Maneck knows she can rely on
AOL not caring enough about an obscure religion board to do anything about
it. Please prove her wrong....

Thank you for your help.

FG
glaysh112001

----------
From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 9:39 AM
To: SteveCase@aol.com
Cc: Glaysh112001@aol.com; FG@home.com
Subject: Bahai Message Board Community Leader

I'm emailing Steve Case because it's proving impossible to get the attention
of anyone at AOL other than your form responses from the TOSGeneral that
refer me back to the community leader, WHO IS THE PROBLEM and IS UNFAIRLY
MANIPULATING TOS RULES!!!

The community leader of the bahai message boards, Shahid or Susan Maneck, is
regularly TOSing more liberal-minded people for posting URLs while posting
dozens of copies of her URL to her own fundamentalist website.

As I mentioned, I and other liberal-minded bahais believe this volunteer
leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack people
with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais
disagree. This has gone on FOR YEARS on AOL.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais, such as Susan
Maneck, to run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself, and
non-Bahais on AOL....

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

I'm only asking for fairness! IF we shouldn't post URLs, neither should she!
She has now turned it into a "policy" permitting her to judge what is in
"keeping with the Board purpose" while suppressing anyone who disagrees with
her. See all of the examples below, scattered all over the bahai message
boards.

I have extensive documentation of censorship on AOL available on my website,
probably more a couple of megabytes worth stretching back for at least three
years. See below.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

DOCUMENTATION of abuse of AOL:

"Recently, Dr. Maneck, A.K.A. LDRS LFST, Shahid, on America Online's
Baha'i Faith Bulletin Board posted the following...."

What may be expected from such a bahai community "leader" on AOL may
be judged from Ms. Maneck's past treatment of opinions other than her own:

<A
HREF="https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck1.htm">https://membe
rs.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck1.htm</A>

See her slandering other views as garbage:
<A
HREF="https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck3.htm">https://membe
rs.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck3.htm</A>

See her slandering other views as litter:
<A
HREF="https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck7.htm">https://membe
rs.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck7.htm</A>

See also messages related to her abuse of her AOL "position" :
<A
HREF="https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/AOL.htm">https://members.f
ortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/AOL.htm</A>

<A
HREF="https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/AOLcensorship.htm">https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/AOLcensorship.htm</A>

<A
HREF="https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/AOLcensorship1.htm">https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/AOLcensorship1.htm</A>

Continuing AOL Censorship by bahais 2001
<A
HREF="https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/AOL2001.htm">https://membe
rs.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/AOL2001.htm</A>

Those tired of Maneck posting her URL on AOL should see the relevant
thread at Question to Community Leaders. Or call and complain
at 800-827-6364.

Also complain at Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, and then
Ask the Staff, works well too. It goes over Maneck's head, as I was
told on the phone.

Incidentally, when you email the TOSGeneral from anywhere in bahai
AOL space it in fact goes directly to Maneck, nobody else, which is
again why you have to go around her now if you're tired of her
manipulating TOS rules and employing her double standards on many
fronts. SHE'S the TOSGeneral!! No wonder nothing results....

As a bahai for over 25 years, I'm very tired of her dishonest manipulation
of AOL and wish AOL would replace her with an honest person who fairly
allows all views to be heard.

1. (below from AOL member mrmahdi@aol.com Mr Mahdi)
>It may be Maneck and the fundamentalist bahais
>have a mole, in a sense, inside AOL who is protecting her/them, all the
>more reason to go around her....

That is one of the reasons why I have yet to call AOL and report to them what
goes on in the bahai message boards. I see calling them an exercise in
futility and unfortunately that made me skeptical into thinking calling will
do
any change.

It is also unfortunate that AOL does not have a system where members of AOL
can
vote for people whom they want to see moderate their message boards and other
forums. You, me, and many people for the past several years have been
harrassed by the coward bahai extremists. Recently, one of my messages was
removed by the fanatic Maneck using the anonymous handle "Shahid." "Shahid,"
aka Maneck refuses to use her real name when moderating posts, something that
the busta Mark Foster wouldn't even do (he as you know made it clear he was
the
moderator).

May you Fred or someone else here can find a way to convince AOL to have a
third party or a fair-minded person on AOL to investigate the matter and see
the double-standard and outright hypocrisy of the bahai extremist domination
of
bahai forums on AOL. Because with taking this course, complaining to AOL will
become something done in vain, unfortunately.

Mahdi Muhammad

---

Please do something to STOP the continual suppression of discussion here on
AOL by Susan Maneck.

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

2.
>BASICALLY, hikmat as interpreted by Maneck means she may lie and deceive all
>she wants in "service" of the faith..... It's her modus operandi....

Yes, her fanatical interpretation of "hikmat" has made her into a wolf in
sheep's clothing. I that believe as a result, her and Mark Foster's bullying
on the bahai message boards has led to people to leave the message boards in
utter disgust of the double-standards and "good-ole' boy" system they got
going
on there where certain people have carte blanche while others (like me and
you)
do not.

You Fred have documented on your site instances of outright double-standards
employed by Foster and Maneck. I would like to ask you kindly to post in a
new
message to newsgroups and elsewhere the quotes of AOL members as well as
others
who complained and documented the double-standard and hypocrisy of Foster and
Maneck and their extremist supporters.

Forgive me for sound a bit pessimistic, but the I went through on the AOL
bahai
message boards have made me feel hopeless into thinking that fighting for
rights on AOL will do any good. Maybe if we constantly remind AOL staff by
either calling them or sending them emails about what goes on, then perhaps
there will be a chance that justice will prevail.

Hopefully something will be done and AOL will be heedful of our complaints and
warnings.

Mahdi Muhammad

3.
>Forgive me for sound a bit pessimistic, but the I went through

"Forgive me for sounding a bit pessimistic, but the experience I went
through..." (I got a bad habit of not proofreading my posts!)

At any rate, I would like to add that I know that the fanatical behavior of
the
"forum leaders" on AOL bahai message boards has led to not only people
leaving,
but having suspended and cancelled accounts over messages that do not contain
profanity, slander, threats, spamming and so on. I have talked to people in
chat rooms on AOL about members have their accounts terminated over posts that
do not contain the above-mentioned things. Many of them thought I was lying
or
at least exaggerating because they thought it was too crazy to be true.

Thanks to the bahai extremist domination on AOL bahai message boards, even the
unbelievable has become a reality!

Mahdi Muhammad

----------
From: Fred Glaysher[SMTP:fredglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:05 AM
To: FG
Subject: Bahai Message Boards Community Leader

An AOL representative on the phone recommended I write Customer Service
about the issue below.

I'm writing Steve Case and Customer Service because it's proving impossible
to get the attention of anyone at AOL other than your form responses from
the TOSGeneral that refer me back to the community leader, WHO IS THE
PROBLEM and IS UNFAIRLY MANIPULATING TOS RULES!!!

The community leader of the bahai message boards, Shahid or Susan Maneck, is
regularly TOSing more liberal-minded people for posting URLs while posting
dozens of copies of her URL to her own fundamentalist website.

As I mentioned, I and other liberal-minded bahais believe this volunteer
leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack
people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow
Bahais disagree. This has gone on FOR YEARS on AOL.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais, such as Susan
Maneck, to run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself, and
non-Bahais on AOL....

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post
links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

I'm only asking for fairness! IF we shouldn't post URLs, neither should she!
She has now turned it into a "policy" permitting her to judge what is in
"keeping with the Board purpose" while suppressing anyone who disagrees
with her. See all of the examples below, scattered all over the bahai
message boards.

I have extensive documentation of censorship on AOL available on my website,
probably more a couple of megabytes worth stretching back for at least three
years. See below.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

DOCUMENTATION of abuse of AOL:

"Recently, Dr. Maneck, A.K.A. LDRS LFST, Shahid, on America Online's
Baha'i Faith Bulletin Board posted the following...."

What may be expected from such a bahai community "leader" on AOL may
be judged from Ms. Maneck's past treatment of opinions other than her own:

https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck1.htm

See her slandering other views as garbage:
https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck3.htm

See her slandering other views as litter:
https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck7.htm

See also messages related to her abuse of her AOL "position" :
https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/AOL.htm

https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/AOLcensorship.htm

https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/AOLcensorship1.htm

Continuing AOL Censorship by bahais 2001
https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/AOL2001.htm

Those tired of Maneck posting her URL on AOL should see the relevant
thread at Question to Community Leaders. Or call and complain
at 800-827-6364.

Also complain at Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, and then
Ask the Staff, works well too. It goes over Maneck's head, as I was
told on the phone.

Incidentally, when you email the TOSGeneral from anywhere in bahai
AOL space it in fact goes directly to Maneck, nobody else, which is
again why you have to go around her now if you're tired of her
manipulating TOS rules and employing her double standards on many
fronts. SHE'S the TOSGeneral!! No wonder nothing results....

As a bahai for over 25 years, I'm very tired of her dishonest manipulation
of AOL and wish AOL would replace her with an honest person who fairly
allows all views to be heard.

1. (below from AOL member mrmahdi@aol.com Mr Mahdi)
>It may be Maneck and the fundamentalist bahais
>have a mole, in a sense, inside AOL who is protecting her/them, all the
>more reason to go around her....

That is one of the reasons why I have yet to call AOL and report to them
what
goes on in the bahai message boards. I see calling them an exercise in
futility and unfortunately that made me skeptical into thinking calling will
do
any change.

It is also unfortunate that AOL does not have a system where members of AOL
can vote for people whom they want to see moderate their message boards and
other forums. You, me, and many people for the past several years have been
harrassed by the coward bahai extremists. Recently, one of my messages was
removed by the fanatic Maneck using the anonymous handle "Shahid."
"Shahid,"
aka Maneck refuses to use her real name when moderating posts, something
that
the busta Mark Foster wouldn't even do (he as you know made it clear he was
the moderator).

May you Fred or someone else here can find a way to convince AOL to have a
third party or a fair-minded person on AOL to investigate the matter and see
the double-standard and outright hypocrisy of the bahai extremist domination
of
bahai forums on AOL. Because with taking this course, complaining to AOL
will
become something done in vain, unfortunately.

Mahdi Muhammad

---

Please do something to STOP the continual suppression of discussion here on
AOL by Susan Maneck.

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

2.
>BASICALLY, hikmat as interpreted by Maneck means she may lie and deceive
all >she wants in "service" of the faith..... It's her modus operandi....

Yes, her fanatical interpretation of "hikmat" has made her into a wolf in
sheep's clothing. I that believe as a result, her and Mark Foster's
bullying
on the bahai message boards has led to people to leave the message boards in
utter disgust of the double-standards and "good-ole' boy" system they got
going
on there where certain people have carte blanche while others (like me and
you)
do not.

You Fred have documented on your site instances of outright double-standards
employed by Foster and Maneck. I would like to ask you kindly to post in a
new message to newsgroups and elsewhere the quotes of AOL members as well as
others who complained and documented the double-standard and hypocrisy of
Foster and Maneck and their extremist supporters.

Forgive me for sound a bit pessimistic, but the I went through on the AOL
bahai
message boards have made me feel hopeless into thinking that fighting for
rights on AOL will do any good. Maybe if we constantly remind AOL staff by
either calling them or sending them emails about what goes on, then perhaps
there will be a chance that justice will prevail.

Hopefully something will be done and AOL will be heedful of our complaints
and
warnings.

Mahdi Muhammad

3.
>Forgive me for sound a bit pessimistic, but the I went through

"Forgive me for sounding a bit pessimistic, but the experience I went
through..." (I got a bad habit of not proofreading my posts!)

At any rate, I would like to add that I know that the fanatical behavior of
the
"forum leaders" on AOL bahai message boards has led to not only people
leaving,
but having suspended and cancelled accounts over messages that do not
contain
profanity, slander, threats, spamming and so on. I have talked to people in
chat rooms on AOL about members have their accounts terminated over posts
that do not contain the above-mentioned things. Many of them thought I was
lying or at least exaggerating because they thought it was too crazy to be
true.

Thanks to the bahai extremist domination on AOL bahai message boards, even
the unbelievable has become a reality!

Mahdi Muhammad

----------
From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 4:19 PM
To: FG@home.com; SteveCase@aol.com; TOSGeneral@aol.com
Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck

<HTML>Mr. Mahdi,

I suggest you email Steve Case@aol.com, post this to Notfify AOL, and snail
mail a copy to AOL Customer Service, PO Box 10810, Herdon VA 20170. The number
to call to complain is 800-827-6364.

For those interested, I believe Mr. Mahdi's statements here under the bahai
message boards at Question to Community Leaders>ATTN - AOL - Result of
Censorshare essentially correct. I witnessed Shahid/Susan Maneck's unfair
treatment of people of all persuasions on AOL and elsewhere for years.
Extensive documentation may be found on my website about Maneck's abuse of her
AOL position and her driving many, many people out of these forums.

Thanks for trying to oppose her tyranny here. Perhaps someday someone at AOL
will listen before they're sued over the censorship she has imposed in their
name!

FG

>Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck
>Date: 12/19/2001 3:54 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Mr Mahdi
>Message-id: <20011219155440.01439.00000028@mb-mk.aol.com>
>
>
>>Well, well, Freddy, I see you've made an interesting bed-fellow with "Death
>>to Baha'is" Muslim militant, Mr. Madhi.
>
>Dr. Maneck and has committed slander as well as mocked my name, both I take
>it are not allowed under TOS.
>
>I have not advocated the death of any group, including bahais. I have made
>it clear many times on the Internet in newsgroups such as TRB that I have
>many bahai friends. My beliefs advocate the FREE discussion of beliefs and
>the promotion of having forums where people can express and debate their
>beliefs with other individuals. The alleged statement that Maneck claimed I
>made was taken out of context when the topic of apostasy was discussed in a
>chat room. Maneck should not feel that since she is also a forum leader
>here, she can slander fellow members with impunity.
>
>Also, my handle is "Mr Mahdi" not Mr. "Madhi." It is obvious that "Madhi" is
>an attempt to mock my name by insisting I am "mad." I would like an apology
>and the removal of Maneck's post.
>
>>Try and keep the white powder off the board though, would you?
>>warmest, Susan
>
>I find this tasteless, especially for a "forum leader." Maneck, are you
>making light of the recent use of anthrax as a tool of terrorism? Please
>clarify for us your statements!
>Mahdi Muhammad
>
>
>
>
>
>

</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@home.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 4:59 PM
To: Yorgos Marinakis
Subject: Suing AOL

Yorgos,

Would you consider taking on a case against AOL? See link below.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22150-2001Aug30.html

There's extensive documentation on my website about Maneck's abuse
of AOL's TOS rules and censorship of liberals and others. See in the
left column of my homepage. I have many, many messages attempting
to contact AOL which they have always ignored, while she continues
to TOS me and others, driving different views off the bahai message boards.

I know a number of people share my grievances with AOL and have also
not received any response from them.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship

----------
From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 8:08 AM
To: SteveCase@aol.com
Cc: FG@home.com
Subject: SUING AOL - Re: Bahai Message Boards Community Leader)


Your form letter below does not address the issues I contacted Steve Case
about. One of your AOL Representatives on you 800 line instructed me to
email Mr. Case about the continual censorship of the AOL bahai message boards.

NOTE: AOL is leaving me and other members no alternative but to SUE in order
to receive a fair and honest response to the problem of our fellow bahai who
is a fundamentalist and consistently suppressing free speech and discussion.

I have now contacted a lawyer and herewith request that you provide me with
the name, address, and phone number of your lawyer.

Sincerely,

FG
glaysh112001@aol.com

------

Subj: Re: Bahai Message Boards Community Leader
Date: 12/27/2001 10:08:20 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:Steve Case">Steve Case</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:Glaysh112001">Glaysh112001</A>


Dear Glaysh112001,

I am responding to your letter on behalf of Steve Case. Thank you for taking
the time to write to us.

As you can imagine, Mr. Case, as the Chairman of AOL Time Warner, is
extremely busy throughout the week. As a result, his schedule does not
permit him to respond personally to the hundreds of email messages he
receives daily. He asked me to help respond to the letters he receives, so
that all members receive prompt replies to their inquiries. To keep Mr. Case
informed, we compose a monthly update advising him of the member concerns and
comments received.

Again, thanks for writing.

Sincerely,
Crystal
Office of the Chairman

----------original message----------
From: Glaysh112001@aol.com
To: SteveCase@aol.com

ALSO snail-mailed to Customer Service:

An AOL representative on the phone recommended I write Customer Service
and Steve Case about the issue below.

I'm writing Steve Case and Customer Service because it's proving impossible
to get the attention of anyone at AOL other than your form responses from
the TOSGeneral that refer me back to the community leader, WHO IS THE
PROBLEM and IS UNFAIRLY MANIPULATING TOS RULES!!!

The community leader of the bahai message boards, Shahid or Susan Maneck, is
regularly TOSing more liberal-minded people for posting URLs while posting
dozens of copies of her URL to her own fundamentalist website.

As I mentioned, I and other liberal-minded bahais believe this volunteer
leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack
people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow
Bahais disagree. This has gone on FOR YEARS on AOL.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais, such as Susan
Maneck, to run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself, and
non-Bahais on AOL....

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post
links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

I'm only asking for fairness! IF we shouldn't post URLs, neither should she!
She has now turned it into a "policy" permitting her to judge what is in
"keeping with the Board purpose"  while suppressing anyone who disagrees
with her. See all of the examples below, scattered all over the bahai
message boards.

I have extensive documentation of censorship on AOL available on my website,
probably more a couple of megabytes worth stretching back for at least three
years. See below.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

DOCUMENTATION of abuse of AOL:

"Recently, Dr. Maneck, A.K.A. LDRS LFST, Shahid, on America Online's
Baha'i Faith Bulletin Board posted the following...."

What may be expected from such a bahai community "leader" on AOL may
be judged from Ms. Maneck's past treatment of opinions other than her own:

https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck1.htm

See her slandering other views as garbage:
https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck3.htm

See her slandering other views as litter:
https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck7.htm

See also messages related to her abuse of her AOL "position" :
https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/AOL.htm

https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/AOLcensorship.htm

https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/AOLcensorship1.htm

Continuing AOL Censorship by bahais 2001
https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/AOL2001.htm

Those tired of Maneck posting her URL on AOL should see the relevant
thread at Question to Community Leaders. Or call and complain
at 800-827-6364.

Also complain at Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, and then
Ask the Staff, works well too. It goes over Maneck's head, as I was
told on the phone.

Incidentally, when you email the TOSGeneral from anywhere in bahai
AOL space it in fact goes directly to Maneck, nobody else, which is
again why you have to go around her now if you're tired of her
manipulating TOS rules and employing her double standards on many
fronts. SHE'S the TOSGeneral!! No wonder nothing results....

As a bahai for over 25 years, I'm very tired of her dishonest manipulation
of AOL and wish AOL would replace her with an honest person who fairly
allows all views to be heard.

1. (below from AOL member mrmahdi@aol.com Mr Mahdi)
>It may be Maneck and the fundamentalist bahais
>have a mole, in a sense, inside AOL who is protecting her/them, all the
>more reason to go around her....

That is one of the reasons why I have yet to call AOL and report to them what
goes on in the bahai message boards.  I see calling them an exercise in
futility and unfortunately that made me skeptical into thinking calling will
do any change.

It is also unfortunate that AOL does not have a system where members of AOL
can  vote for people whom they want to see moderate their message boards
and
other forums.  You, me, and many people for the past several years have
been
harrassed by the coward bahai extremists.  Recently, one of my messages
was
removed by the fanatic Maneck using the anonymous handle "Shahid."
"Shahid,"
aka Maneck refuses to use her real name when moderating posts, something
that
the busta Mark Foster wouldn't even do (he as you know made it clear he was
the  moderator).

May you Fred or someone else here can find a way to convince AOL to have a
third party or a fair-minded person on AOL to investigate the matter and see
the double-standard and outright hypocrisy of the bahai extremist domination
of bahai forums on AOL.  Because with taking this course, complaining to
AOL
will become something done in vain, unfortunately.

Mahdi Muhammad

---

Please do something to STOP the continual suppression of discussion here on
AOL by Susan Maneck.

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

2.
>BASICALLY, hikmat as interpreted by Maneck means she may lie and deceive
all >she wants in "service" of the faith..... It's her modus operandi....

Yes, her fanatical interpretation of "hikmat" has made her into a wolf in
sheep's clothing.   I that believe as a result, her and Mark
Foster's
bullying on the bahai message boards has led to people to leave the message
boards in utter disgust of the double-standards and "good-ole' boy" system
they got going on there where certain people have carte blanche while others
(like me and you) do not.

You Fred have documented on your site instances of outright double-standards
employed by Foster and Maneck.  I would like to ask you kindly to post
in a
new message to newsgroups and elsewhere the quotes of AOL members as well as
others  who complained and documented the double-standard and hypocrisy
of
Foster and  Maneck and their extremist supporters.

Forgive me for sound a bit pessimistic, but the I went through on the AOL
bahai message boards have made me feel hopeless into thinking that fighting
for
rights on AOL will do any good.  Maybe if we constantly remind AOL staff
by
either calling them or sending them emails about what goes on, then perhaps
there will be a chance that justice will prevail.

Hopefully something will be done and AOL will be heedful of our complaints
and warnings.

Mahdi Muhammad

3.
>Forgive me for sound a bit pessimistic, but the I went through

"Forgive me for sounding a bit pessimistic, but the experience I went
through..." (I got a bad habit of not proofreading my posts!)

At any rate, I would like to add that I know that the fanatical behavior of
the
"forum leaders" on AOL bahai message boards has led to not only people
leaving, but having suspended and cancelled accounts over messages that do
not contain profanity, slander, threats, spamming and so on.  I have
talked
to people in
chat rooms on AOL about members have their accounts terminated over posts
that do not contain the above-mentioned things.  Many of them thought I
was
lying or at least exaggerating because they thought it was too crazy to be
true.

Thanks to the bahai extremist domination on AOL bahai message boards, even
the unbelievable has become a reality!

Mahdi Muhammad

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----------
From: MrMahdi@aol.com[SMTP:MrMahdi@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 1:52 PM
To: patrick_henry@liberty.com; Glaysh112001@aol.com; FG@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Terms of Service


<<Message: Terms of Service ...>>
Greetings Fred,

Here is the TOS violation notice I got from AOL. Bahai fanatics reported me
on the bahai chat room for posting the "Answering Bahaullah" link. Bahais
regularly post their links in bahai chat rooms and they never get TOSed. I
urge you to also monitor chat rooms on AOL and see the double-standards
employed by both AOL and Maneck et al.

Sincerely,

Mahdi Muhammad

----------
From: MrMahdi@aol.com[SMTP:MrMahdi@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 4:42 AM
To: patrick_henry@liberty.com; Glaysh112001@aol.com; FG@home.com
Subject: Concerning the lawsuit...

Greetings Fred,

I would like to ask about the possibility of suing AOL. You mentioned on the
messages boards and on TRB about suing AOL for its constant refusal to heed
customer complaints and take action against bahai ultra-extremism on its
message boards and even chat rooms.

If you do decide to sue, what would be the role of victims like myself in the
lawsuit? Would I have to be subpoenaed as a result? I ask because I am
working on music album at this current time with plans on moving to Los
Angeles next year. Due to my background, I do not think I would favor too
highly to travel to whatever court room and testify. But what ever I can do
to help the case, I would most likely help you. If you need emails,
newsgroups postings, etc., please feel free to ask.

I hope whatever you do, in the end, we will get the rights we deserves as
paying members of AOL.

Sincerely,

Mahdi Muhammad

Subj: Community Leader on Bahai message boards posts her URL

Date: 12/5/2001 8:35:03 AM Eastern Standard Time

From: Glaysh112001

To: Cat, Ben Kucharski

CC: FG@hotmail.com

bahai message boards>Question to the Community Leaders

>Subject: URLs
>Date: 12/1/2001 4:15 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: LDRS LFST Shahid
>Message-id: <20011201041527.02572.00000304@mb-dh.aol.com>
>
>
>Dear Members,
>
>The question has arisen as to the use of t URLs. Iis perfectly okay to post a
>URL to a website on this board so long as the material on that website is in
>keeping with the Board purpose, along with TOS and community standards. If
>not, such a post may be removed.
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles

I'm emailing Ben Kucharski and the Community Action Team because it's proving impossible to get the attention of anyone at AOL other than your form responses from the TOSGeneral that refer me back to the community leader, WHO IS THE PROBLEM and IS UNFAIRLY MANIPULATING TOS RULES!!!

The community leader of the bahai message boards, Shahid or Susan Maneck, is regularly TOSing more liberal-minded people for posting URLs while posting dozens of copies of her URL to her own fundamentalist website.

As I mentioned, I and other liberal-minded bahais believe this volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

I'm only asking for fairness! IF we shouldn't post URLs, neither should she! She has now turned it into a "policy" permitting her to judge what is in "keeping with the Board purpose" while suppressing anyone who disagrees with her. See all of the examples below, scattered all over the bahai message boards.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?
Date: 9/9/2001 9:03 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Smaneck
Message-id: <20010909220324.18255.00001516@mb-md.aol.com>

>The apparent intention is indeed to suppress the Israeli newspaper report of
>the uhj receiving "irregular tax breaks."
>

What those 'irregular tax breaks' are all about is the fact that Baha'is get a rebate of value added taxes as a religious organization.
Big deal! I guess there are some members of the religious right who probably object to anyone but Orthodox Jews getting those. But if Fred can make it look like a case of corruption, you can be sure he will.
warmest, Susan

https://www.susanmaneck.com

--------------------
Further examples of Shahid or Ms. Maneck's unfairness on AOL scattered all over the bahai message boards:

<HTML>>and as such should be investigated and
studied by scientists. (31 December
>1937, to an individual)
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship

</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>
<HTML>>>"My heart goes out to the Baha'is of Iran.
They have suffered
>>more at the hands of their countrymen than that cult in Waco."
>>
>>--Dan Quayle
>
>Rule,
>
>Did Quayle really say that?
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship
</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>
<HTML>>His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist.
I'd be very careful.
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship </HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>
<HTML>> >Terrorist cells around
>>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad.
>
>I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11.
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship

</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

--

Subj: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i

Date: 12/1/2001 4:52:13 PM Eastern Standard Time

From: LDRS LFST Shahid

To: Glaysh112001

CC: LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry

Dear Member:

Regarding your messages posted at: Baha'i Message Boards>Question to the Community Leader.

To avoid further disruption to the message board, your posts have been removed. Please review Keyword: Message Board Product Guidelines and Keyword: Spirituality Message Board Standards for more information on what is appropriate in our community.

Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.

Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot respond to replies. Please address any questions or comments to LDRS LFST Mgr.

Regards,

LDRS LFST Shahid
Volunteer Message Board Host
AOL Lifestyles

Subject: Re: URLs
Date: 12/1/2001 9:22 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011201102255.14937.00000202@mb-fr.aol.com>

>The question has arisen as to the use of URLs. It is perfectly okay to post a
>URL to a website on this board so long as the material on that website is in
>keeping with the Board purpose, along with TOS and community standards. If
>not, such a post may be removed.
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles
>

And as a bahai fundamentalist you define and decide what is in keeping with the purpose of the board.... That's the problem in my opinion and that of many other people now for years..... Under such a specious interpretation of AOL TOS rules and the bahai writings, you may spam YOUR URL all over these bahai message boards?

Is Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan, a real university unlike the one you tutor at, going to have his website suppressed while yours is allowed? AOL TOSGeneral and others should note Prof. Cole has widely published on bahai censorship on and off the Internet, including a book with Columbia University Press.

Further examples of Ms. Maneck's unfairness on AOL, with only her fundamentalist website allowed:

>and as such should be investigated and
studied by scientists. (31 December
>1937, to an individual)
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>"My heart goes out to the Baha'is of Iran.
They have suffered
>>more at the hands of their countrymen than that cult in Waco."
>>
>>--Dan Quayle
>
>Rule,
>
>Did Quayle really say that?
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist.
I'd be very careful.
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
> >Terrorist cells around
>>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad.
>
>I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11.
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Community Leader concealing evidence of her abusing TOS rules
Date: 11/30/2001 6:38 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011130073827.09100.00000004@mb-mv.aol.com>

Shahid, Ms. Maneck, is removing messages of hers in which she spams her URL all over AOL bahai messages boards while suppressing and TOSing fellow bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist views.

I ask the TOSGeneral to please ask her to desist or replace her who someone who can be a fair and impartial community leader.
FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Open Letter to TOSGeneral
Date: 11/30/2001 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011130084420.09100.00000016@mb-mv.aol.com>

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?
Date: 11/30/2001 8:16 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011130091605.09100.00000022@mb-mv.aol.com>

TOSGeneral:

Please find below yet another example of Ms. Maneck, Shahid, the bahai message boards community leader, posting her own URL while TOSing anyone who posts URLs to more liberal bahai sites.

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

>Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?
>Date: 9/9/2001 9:03 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Smaneck
>Message-id: <20010909220324.18255.00001516@mb-md.aol.com>
>
>
>>The apparent intention is indeed to suppress the Israeli newspaper report of
>>the uhj receiving "irregular tax breaks."
>>
>
>What those 'irregular tax breaks' are all about is the fact that Baha'is get
>a rebate of value added taxes as a religious organization.
>Big deal! I guess there are some members of the religious right who probably
>object to anyone but Orthodox Jews getting those. But if Fred can make it
>look like a case of corruption, you can be sure he will.
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Disagreements with TOS and/or community guidelines
Date: 12/1/2001 9:26 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011201102602.14937.00000203@mb-fr.aol.com>

>Subject: Disagreements with TOS and/or community guidelines
>Date: 12/1/2001 4:12 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: LDRS LFST Shahid
>Message-id: <20011201041245.02572.00000303@mb-dh.aol.com>
>
>
>
>Hey everyone :) I know that strong opinions abound, but please remember
>that the message boards are not the place to carry on personal arguments nor
>disagreements of TOS and/or community guidelines.
>
>The best sources of information for questions or disagreements with actions
>taken are LDRS LFST Mgr, TOSGeneral, or Keyword TOSQuestions.
>
>Thank you for understanding everyone :)
>
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles
>

You're making an utterly false appeareance here of fairness and reasonableness. Anyone remotely familiar with your history of censorship and coercion of conscience on AOL will not fail to recognize what you're really doing here.

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress my posts re talk.religion.bahai?
Date: 12/1/2001 9:38 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011201103847.14937.00000205@mb-fr.aol.com>

Your suggestion here is completely bogus. I have not posted the same message. Your distorting and misrepresenting my posts in order to suit your fundamentalist motives and justify your wish to fraudulently TOS me. You're obviously playing to the choir, the TOSGeneral in this case.

The repeated posting of your URL is okay, though, of course....

>Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress my posts re talk.religion.bahai?
>Date: 11/30/2001 1:08 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: LDRS LFST Shahid
>Message-id: <20011130010806.12953.00000033@mb-ch.aol.com>
>
>
>Dear friends,
>
>I would like to remind everyone that a given post should only be made once on
>this board within any thirty day period. Otherwise it constitutes spam and as
>such will be considered disruptive.
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles
>
>
>
>
>
>

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

---

11/30/01 to AOL TOS

Ben,

Nice talking with you and thank you for your help. Please find the message I mentioned to you at the end, along several excerpts from messages that appear all over the bahai message boards.

As I mentioned, I and others believe this volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?
Date: 9/9/2001 9:03 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Smaneck
Message-id: <20010909220324.18255.00001516@mb-md.aol.com>

>The apparent intention is indeed to suppress the Israeli newspaper report of
>the uhj receiving "irregular tax breaks."
>

What those 'irregular tax breaks' are all about is the fact that Baha'is get a rebate of value added taxes as a religious organization.
Big deal! I guess there are some members of the religious right who probably object to anyone but Orthodox Jews getting those. But if Fred can make it look like a case of corruption, you can be sure he will.
warmest, Susan

https://www.susanmaneck.com

--------------------
Further examples of Shahid or Ms. Maneck's unfairness on AOL scattered all over the bahai message boards:

<HTML>>and as such should be investigated and
studied by scientists. (31 December
>1937, to an individual)
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship

</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>
<HTML>>>"My heart goes out to the Baha'is of Iran.
They have suffered
>>more at the hands of their countrymen than that cult in Waco."
>>
>>--Dan Quayle
>
>Rule,
>
>Did Quayle really say that?
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship
</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>
<HTML>>His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist.
I'd be very careful.
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship

</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>
<HTML>> >Terrorist cells around
>>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad.
>
>I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11.
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship

</HTML>
<HTML>FG 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

From: Glayshf@aol.com[SMTP:Glayshf@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 7:52 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Board Posting at Bahai Message Board
<<Message: Re: Board Posting at Bahai Message B...>>

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among our fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

The bahai community leader is harassing me trying to suppress all knowledge
and discussion about the major lawsuit against the bahai faith recently filed
in New Mexico. Please ask him to desist.

This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
tofundamentalist sites and events....

A clear example of the way AOL is manipulated and freedom of speech and
conscience are regularly DAMAGED by AOL's indulgence.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://www.angelfire.com/mi3/bahai/

----------
From: Glayshf@aol.com[SMTP:Glayshf@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 7:53 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board
<<Message: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board>>

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among our fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

The bahai community leader is harassing me trying to suppress all knowledge
and discussion about the major lawsuit against the bahai faith recently filed
in New Mexico. Please ask him to desist.

This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

A clear example of the way AOL is manipulated and freedom of speech and
conscience are regularly DAMAGED by AOL's indulgence.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

From: Glayshf@aol.com[SMTP:Glayshf@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 9:18 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board
<<Message: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board>>

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among our fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

The bahai community leader is harassing me trying to suppress all knowledge
and discussion about the major lawsuit against the bahai faith recently filed
in New Mexico. Please ask him to desist.

This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

A clear example of the way AOL is manipulated and freedom of speech and
conscience are regularly DAMAGED by AOL's indulgence.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://www.angelfire.com/mi3/bahai/

----------
From: Glayshf@aol.com[SMTP:Glayshf@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 9:18 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board
<<Message: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board>>
AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among our fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....
Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....
The bahai community leader is harassing me trying to suppress all knowledge
and discussion about the major lawsuit against the bahai faith recently filed
in New Mexico. Please ask him to desist.
This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm
It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to
fundamentalist sites and events....
A clear example of the way AOL is manipulated and freedom of speech and
conscience are regularly DAMAGED by AOL's indulgence.
FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

From: Glayshf@aol.com[SMTP:Glayshf@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 4:48 PM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board
<<Message: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board>>
This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree. He is the problem and cannot be relied on to moderate
fairly.
The bahai community leader is harassing me and others and trying to suppress
all knowledge and discussion about the lawsuits against the bahai faith
recently filed in New Mexico and the many incidents of silencing and coercing
individual members. Please ask him to desist.
FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://www.angelfire.com/mi3/bahai/

----------
From: Glayshf@aol.com[SMTP:Glayshf@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 4:49 PM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board
<<Message: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board>>
This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree. He is the problem and cannot be relied on to moderate
fairly.
The bahai community leader is harassing me and others and trying to suppress
all knowledge and discussion about the lawsuits against the bahai faith
recently filed in New Mexico and the many incidents of silencing and coercing
individual members. Please ask him to desist.
FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://www.angelfire.com/mi3/bahai/

----------
From: Glayshf@aol.com[SMTP:Glayshf@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 4:50 PM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@home.com
Subject: Fwd: No spamming please
<<Message: No spamming please>>
Fundamentalist ad hominem. No substance.
FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
<A HREF="https://www.angelfire.com/mi3/bahai/">https://www.angelfire.com/mi3/bahai/</A>

----------
From: Glayshf[SMTP:glayshf@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:02 PM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com; FG@home.com
Subject: Re: No spamming please
<HTML>>I would like to remind you that the same message should not be posted
>multiple times. It is not enough to just change the subject heading.
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles
A completely dishonest statement....
Let's look at the messgae you're using as pretext to censor and suppress:
"Ad hominem. No substance."
That, incidentally, applies well to your post and your attempt to pretend you have valid reason for deleting my message.
I ask the TOSGeneral to cite this putative community leader who is abusing ridiculously his position to harass people such as myself because of views he does not approve of.
FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://www.angelfire.com/mi3/bahai/
</HTML>

----------
From: Glayshf@aol.com[SMTP:Glayshf@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:07 PM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Board Posting at Bahai Message Board
<<Message: Re: Board Posting at Bahai Message B...>>
AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among our fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....
Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....
The bahai community leader is harassing me trying to suppress all knowledge
and discussion about the major lawsuit against the bahai faith recently filed
in New Mexico. Please ask him to desist.
This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm
It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to
fundamentalist sites and events....
A clear example of the way AOL is manipulated and freedom of speech and
conscience are regularly DAMAGED by AOL's indulgence.
FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://www.angelfire.com/mi3/bahai/

From: Glayshf@aol.com[SMTP:Glayshf@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 4:47 PM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board
<<Message: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board>>
This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree. He is the problem and cannot be relied on to moderate
fairly.
The bahai community leader is harassing me and others and trying to suppress
all knowledge and discussion about the lawsuits against the bahai faith
recently filed in New Mexico and the many incidents of silencing and coercing
individual members. Please ask him to desist.
FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://www.angelfire.com/mi3/bahai/
From: Glayshf@aol.com[SMTP:Glayshf@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 11:17 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Board posting at Keyword: BAHA'I
<<Message: Board posting at Keyword: BAHA'I>>
This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree. He is the problem and cannot be relied on to moderate
fairly.
The bahai community leader is harassing me and others and trying to suppress
all knowledge and discussion about the major lawsuit against the bahai faith
recently filed in New Mexico. Please ask him to desist.
FULL TEXT:
New Mexico LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL 3/2/2001
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuit.htm
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuitResponse.htm

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm
It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with
AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people
whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to
fundamentalist sites and events....
A clear example of the way AOL is manipulated and freedom of speech and
conscience are regularly DAMAGED by AOL's indulgence.

--FG
www.FG.com
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/index.htm

----------
From: Glayshf@aol.com[SMTP:Glayshf@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 11:17 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Board posting at Keyword: BAHA'I
<<Message: Board posting at Keyword: BAHA'I>>
This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree. He is the problem and cannot be relied on to moderate
fairly.
The bahai community leader is harassing me and others and trying to suppress
all knowledge and discussion about the major lawsuit against the bahai faith
recently filed in New Mexico. Please ask him to desist.
FULL TEXT:
New Mexico LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL 3/2/2001
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuit.htm
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuitResponse.htm

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm
It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with
AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people
whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to
fundamentalist sites and events....
A clear example of the way AOL is manipulated and freedom of speech and
conscience are regularly DAMAGED by AOL's indulgence.

--FG
www.FG.com
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/index.htm

----------
From: Glayshf@aol.com[SMTP:Glayshf@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 11:18 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Board posting at Keyword: BAHA'I
<<Message: Board posting at Keyword: BAHA'I>>
Please do not send me a form letter instructing me to send "comments
regarding activities in a particular forum need to be addressed by the
forum's staff or
supervisor."
This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree. He is the problem and cannot be relied on to moderate
fairly.
The bahai community leader is harassing me and others and trying to suppress
all knowledge and discussion about the major lawsuit against the bahai faith
recently filed in New Mexico. Please ask him to desist.
FULL TEXT:
New Mexico LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL 3/2/2001
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuit.htm
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuitResponse.htm

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm
It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with
AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people
whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to
fundamentalist sites and events....
A clear example of the way AOL is manipulated and freedom of speech and
conscience are regularly DAMAGED by AOL's indulgence.

--FG
www.FG.com
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/index.htm

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From: Glayshf@aol.com[SMTP:Glayshf@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 11:18 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Board posting at Keyword: BAHA'I
<<Message: Board posting at Keyword: BAHA'I >>
Please do not send me a form letter instructing me to send "comments
regarding activities in a particular forum need to be addressed by the
forum's staff or
supervisor."
This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree. He is the problem and cannot be relied on to moderate
fairly.
The bahai community leader is harassing me and others and trying to suppress
all knowledge and discussion about the major lawsuit against the bahai faith
recently filed in New Mexico. Please ask him to desist.
FULL TEXT:
New Mexico LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL 3/2/2001
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuit.htm
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuitResponse.htm

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm
It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with
AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people
whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to
fundamentalist sites and events....
A clear example of the way AOL is manipulated and freedom of speech and
conscience are regularly DAMAGED by AOL's indulgence.

--FG
www.FG.com
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/index.htm

From: Glayshf@aol.com[SMTP:Glayshf@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 5:19 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Board posting at Keyword: BAHA'I
<<Message: Board posting at Keyword: BAHA'I >>
This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree. He is the problem and cannot be relied on to moderate
fairly.
The bahai community leader is harassing me and others and trying to suppress
all knowledge and discussion about the major lawsuit against the bahai faith
recently filed in New Mexico. Please ask him to desist.
FULL TEXT:
New Mexico LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL 3/2/2001
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuit.htm
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuitResponse.htm

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm
It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with
AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people
whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to
fundamentalist sites and events....
A clear example of the way AOL is manipulated and freedom of speech and
conscience are regularly DAMAGED by AOL's indulgence.

--FG
www.FG.com
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/index.htm

In a message dated 6/30/2001 3:03:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LDRS LFST

Shahid writes:

> Subj:Board posting at Keyword: BAHA'I

> Date:6/30/2001 3:03:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time

> From:<A HREF="mailto:LDRS LFST Shahid">LDRS LFST Shahid</A>

> To:<A HREF="mailto:Glayshf">Glayshf</A>

> CC:<A HREF="mailto:LDRS LFST Jerry">LDRS LFST Jerry</A>, <A HREF="mailto:LDRS LFST Mgr">LDRS LFST Mgr</A>

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Fred,

>

> Regarding your messages posted at Lifestyle>Spirituality>Baha'i Message

> Board>Off Topic>: 6/29/01 8:34 AM

>

> To avoid further disruption to the message board, your posts have been

> removed. Please review Keyword: TOS and the Spirituality Message Board

> Standards for more information on what is appropriate in our community.

>

> Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been

> submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.

>

> Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot

> respond to replies. Therefore, if you have any comments or questions please

> send mail to TOSGeneral.

>

> Regards,

>

>

> LDRS LFST Shahid

> Volunteer Message Board Leader

> Baha'i Message Board

>

> Subject: Re: NM Lawsuit - FULL TEXT - Deborah Buchhorn vs BF

> Date: 6/29/01 8:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time

> From: <A HREF="">Glayshf</A>

> Message-id: <20010629083439.10217.00003143@ng-md1.aol.com>

>

>

>

>

>

> Fraudulent Oppression and Prevention of Communications between Shareholders

> 21. On April 19, 1998, Defendant Trustees ordered named Plaintiff Deborah

> Buchhorn to refrain from discussing her "issues" with anyone but Auxiliary

> Board member Brent Poirier and the Local Spiritual Assembly. Plaintiff

> complied and appealed to Brent Poirier and the National Spiritual Assembly,

> who took no action. Defendant LSA has wrapped many of their dealings with

> members in the cloak of secrecy in a like manner.Many people have said, in

> one way or another, that various cults

> operate in this way, i.e., suppress and prevent communication

> between members, thereby distorting their perception and

> understanding of what is actually taking place, etc....

> "VIOLATED THE RIGHTS OF CORPORATE MEMBERS" to communicate

> with others....

>

>

> This too is a quite predictable pattern the uhj

> has used

> often to silence and isolate people of conscience. It has been done on AOL,

> soc.religion.bahai, and elsewhere on and off line.

>

>

>

>

> FG

----------

From: Glayshf@aol.com[SMTP:Glayshf@aol.com]

Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 5:37 AM

To: TOSGeneral@aol.com

Cc: FG@home.com

Subject: Fwd: Board posting at Keyword: BAHAI

<<Message: Re: Board posting at Keyword: BAHAI>>

Please do not send me your form letters. Speaking with someone isn't going to

help since AOL is not seriously interested in confronting the fundamentalism

of my fellow Baha'is the ways in which they are exploiting your TOS rules to

suppress freedom of speech and conscience. Instead of your canned TOS General

replies, please have a thinking human being respond. See below:

Please do not send me a form letter instructing me to send "comments

regarding activities in a particular forum need to be addressed by the

forum's staff or

supervisor."

This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence

and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my

fellow Bahais disagree. He is the problem and cannot be relied on to moderate

fairly.

The bahai community leader is harassing me and others and trying to suppress

all knowledge and discussion about the major lawsuit against the bahai faith

recently filed in New Mexico. Please ask him to desist.

FULL TEXT:

New Mexico LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL 3/2/2001

https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuit.htm

https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuitResponse.htm

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,

discusses related issues in his journal article "The

Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":

https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved

with

AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from

people

whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to

fundamentalist sites and events....

A clear example of the way AOL is manipulated and freedom of speech and

conscience are regularly DAMAGED by AOL's indulgence.

--FG

www.FG.com

The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/index.htm

In a message dated 6/27/2001 8:45:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TOSGen1

writes:

> Subj:Re: Board posting at Keyword: BAHAI

> Date:6/27/2001 8:45:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time

> From:<A HREF="mailto:TOSGen1">TOSGen1</A>

> To:<A HREF="mailto:Glayshf">Glayshf</A>

>

>

>

> Dear Member,

>

> Thank you for writing. This issue would be best addressed by speaking to a

> Member Services Representative. Please call 1-800-827-6364. You may also

> find answers to your questions at Keyword: <A HREF="">Help</A>.

>

> If you have any comments or questions please send e-mail to <A HREF="mailto:%20TOSGeneral">TOSGeneral</A>.

>

> Regards,

> Bryant

> Community Action Team

>

From: "FG" <FG@hotmail.com>
Subject: AOL & Open Petition for a Bahai Reformation
Date: Monday, February 26, 2001 7:55 AM

FYI

------
Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
Date: 2/26/2001 7:36 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: GlaysherFJ
Message-id: <20010226073616.04001.00000011@ng-mi1.aol.com>

Dear Community Leader:

Your comments are quite false and misleading, in my opinion.

The uhj has become an intolerant fundamentalist institution, distorting
Baha'u'llah's most basic Teachings regarding freedom of speech and
conscience. It uses tyrannical and deceitful definitions of what constitutes
"loving consultation" to encourage the lowest elements among our fellow
Bahais to attack and malign others in the hope of driving them into silence
and submission, indeed, even of driving OUT of the Bahai Faith....

Those wishing to
confirm these claims need only look at the threats currently being made
against my LIFE by a Bahai fundamentalist on talk.religion.bahai, easily
accessible from AOL by Keyword Newsgroups.

Do you encourage and support threatening the very lives of your fellow
Bahais who do not share your intolerant fundamentalism?

In such an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, many Bahais and ex-bahais,
even non-bahais, may very well find it wise to sign my Open Petition for a
Bahai Reformation with a pseudonym.

--
FG
www.FG.com
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.nbci.com/FG/index.htm

>Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
>Date: 2/20/2001 11:32 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: LDRS LFST Shahid
>Message-id: <20010220113246.05728.00003460@ng-md1.aol.com>
>
>
>>Note in Announcements that I would allow you to use a pseudonym if
>>you're too afraid of the intolerant fundamentalism of the universal
>>house of "justice" to state your views in an open and candid manner....
>
>Dear Mr. Glaysher,
>
>The Universal House of Justice, which is neither fundamentalist nor
>intolerant, is well aware of my views already. I do not hesitate to express
>them to that body in a spirit of loving consultation instead of pressure
>politicking. Therefore, I do not require either a pseudonym or your
petitions
>to do so.
>
>Besides, signing a petition with a pseudonym renders it useless anyhow.
>
>
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>Volunteer Message Board Leader
>Baha'i Message Board
>
>
>
>
>
>

From: "FG" <f_glaysher@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: AOL & Open Petition for a Bahai Reformation
Date: Saturday, March 03, 2001 7:35 AM

FYI:

Subj: Your Post on the Baha'i Message Board
Date: 2/27/2001 1:42:17 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: LDRS LFST Shahid
To: GlaysherFJ
CC: LDRS LFST Jerry, LDRS LFST Mgr

Dear Mr. Fred Glaysher,

Regarding your message posted at: Lifestyle>Spirituality>Baha'i Message
Board>Questions to the Community Leaders>2/26/01 7:36 AM

To avoid further disruption to the message board, some of your posts have
been removed. Please review Keyword: TOS and the Spirituality Message Board
Guidelines for more information on what is appropriate in our community.

Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been
submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.

Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot
respond to replies. Therefore, if you have any comments or questions please
send mail to TOSGeneral.

Regards,

LDRS LFST Shahid
Volunteer Message Board Leader
Baha'i Message Board

Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
Date: 2/26/01 7:36 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: GlaysherFJ
Message-id: <20010226073616.04001.00000011@ng-mi1.aol.com>

Dear Community Leader:

Your comments are quite false and misleading, in my opinion.

The uhj has become an intolerant fundamentalist institution, distorting
Baha'u'llah's most basic Teachings regarding freedom of speech and
conscience. It uses tyrannical and deceitful definitions of what constitutes
"loving consultation" to encourage the lowest elements among our fellow
Bahais to attack and malign others in the hope of driving them into silence
and submission, indeed, even of driving OUT of the Bahai Faith.... Those
wishing to
confirm these claims need only look at the threats currently being made
against my LIFE by a Bahai fundamentalist on talk.religion.bahai, easily
accessible from AOL by Keyword Newsgroups.

Do you encourage and support threatening the very lives of your fellow
Bahais who do not share your intolerant fundamentalism?

In such an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, many Bahais and ex-bahais,
even non-bahais, may very well find it wise to sign my Open Petition for a
Bahai Reformation with a pseudonym.

--
FG
www.FG.com
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.nbci.com/FG/index.htm

"FG" <FG@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:97djkn$oitbb$1@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de...
> FYI
>
> ------
> Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
> Date: 2/26/2001 7:36 AM Eastern Standard Time
> From: GlaysherFJ
> Message-id: <20010226073616.04001.00000011@ng-mi1.aol.com>
>
>
> Dear Community Leader:
>
> Your comments are quite false and misleading, in my opinion.
>
> The uhj has become an intolerant fundamentalist institution, distorting
> Baha'u'llah's most basic Teachings regarding freedom of speech and
> conscience. It uses tyrannical and deceitful definitions of what
constitutes
> "loving consultation" to encourage the lowest elements among our fellow
> Bahais to attack and malign others in the hope of driving them into
silence
> and submission, indeed, even of driving OUT of the Bahai Faith....
>
> Those wishing to
> confirm these claims need only look at the threats currently being made
> against my LIFE by a Bahai fundamentalist on talk.religion.bahai, easily
> accessible from AOL by Keyword Newsgroups.
>
> Do you encourage and support threatening the very lives of your fellow
> Bahais who do not share your intolerant fundamentalism?
>
> In such an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, many Bahais and ex-bahais,
> even non-bahais, may very well find it wise to sign my Open Petition for a
> Bahai Reformation with a pseudonym.
>
> --
> FG
> www.FG.com
> The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
> https://members.nbci.com/FG/index.htm
>
>
>
> >Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
> >Date: 2/20/2001 11:32 AM Eastern Standard Time
> >From: LDRS LFST Shahid
> >Message-id: <20010220113246.05728.00003460@ng-md1.aol.com>
> >
> >
> >>Note in Announcements that I would allow you to use a pseudonym if
> >>you're too afraid of the intolerant fundamentalism of the universal
> >>house of "justice" to state your views in an open and candid manner....
> >
> >Dear Mr. Glaysher,
> >
> >The Universal House of Justice, which is neither fundamentalist nor
> >intolerant, is well aware of my views already. I do not hesitate to
express
> >them to that body in a spirit of loving consultation instead of pressure
> >politicking. Therefore, I do not require either a pseudonym or your
> petitions
> >to do so.
> >
> >Besides, signing a petition with a pseudonym renders it useless anyhow.
> >
> >
> >LDRS LFST Shahid
> >Volunteer Message Board Leader
> >Baha'i Message Board
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

From: "FG" <f_glaysher@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: AOL & Open Petition for a Bahai Reformation
Date: Saturday, March 03, 2001 7:37 AM

FYI:

Subj: Your Post on the Baha'i Message Board
Date: 2/27/2001 1:42:17 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: LDRS LFST Shahid
To: GlaysherFJ
CC: LDRS LFST Jerry, LDRS LFST Mgr

Dear Mr. Fred Glaysher,

Regarding your message posted at: Lifestyle>Spirituality>Baha'i Message
Board>Questions to the Community Leaders>2/26/01 7:36 AM

To avoid further disruption to the message board, some of your posts have
been removed. Please review Keyword: TOS and the Spirituality Message Board
Guidelines for more information on what is appropriate in our community.

Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been
submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.

Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot
respond to replies. Therefore, if you have any comments or questions please
send mail to TOSGeneral.

Regards,

LDRS LFST Shahid
Volunteer Message Board Leader
Baha'i Message Board

Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
Date: 2/26/01 7:36 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: GlaysherFJ
Message-id: <20010226073616.04001.00000011@ng-mi1.aol.com>

Dear Community Leader:

Your comments are quite false and misleading, in my opinion.

The uhj has become an intolerant fundamentalist institution, distorting
Baha'u'llah's most basic Teachings regarding freedom of speech and
conscience. It uses tyrannical and deceitful definitions of what constitutes
"loving consultation" to encourage the lowest elements among our fellow
Bahais to attack and malign others in the hope of driving them into silence
and submission, indeed, even of driving OUT of the Bahai Faith.... Those
wishing to
confirm these claims need only look at the threats currently being made
against my LIFE by a Bahai fundamentalist on talk.religion.bahai, easily
accessible from AOL by Keyword Newsgroups.

Do you encourage and support threatening the very lives of your fellow
Bahais who do not share your intolerant fundamentalism?

In such an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, many Bahais and ex-bahais,
even non-bahais, may very well find it wise to sign my Open Petition for a
Bahai Reformation with a pseudonym.

--
FG
www.FG.com
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.nbci.com/FG/index.htm

"FG" <FG@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:97djkn$oitbb$1@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de...
> FYI
>
> ------
> Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
> Date: 2/26/2001 7:36 AM Eastern Standard Time
> From: GlaysherFJ
> Message-id: <20010226073616.04001.00000011@ng-mi1.aol.com>
>
>
> Dear Community Leader:
>
> Your comments are quite false and misleading, in my opinion.
>
> The uhj has become an intolerant fundamentalist institution, distorting
> Baha'u'llah's most basic Teachings regarding freedom of speech and
> conscience. It uses tyrannical and deceitful definitions of what
constitutes
> "loving consultation" to encourage the lowest elements among our fellow
> Bahais to attack and malign others in the hope of driving them into
silence
> and submission, indeed, even of driving OUT of the Bahai Faith....
>
> Those wishing to
> confirm these claims need only look at the threats currently being made
> against my LIFE by a Bahai fundamentalist on talk.religion.bahai, easily
> accessible from AOL by Keyword Newsgroups.
>
> Do you encourage and support threatening the very lives of your fellow
> Bahais who do not share your intolerant fundamentalism?
>
> In such an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, many Bahais and ex-bahais,
> even non-bahais, may very well find it wise to sign my Open Petition for a
> Bahai Reformation with a pseudonym.
>
> --
> FG
> www.FG.com
> The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
> https://members.nbci.com/FG/index.htm
>
>
>
> >Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
> >Date: 2/20/2001 11:32 AM Eastern Standard Time
> >From: LDRS LFST Shahid
> >Message-id: <20010220113246.05728.00003460@ng-md1.aol.com>
> >
> >
> >>Note in Announcements that I would allow you to use a pseudonym if
> >>you're too afraid of the intolerant fundamentalism of the universal
> >>house of "justice" to state your views in an open and candid manner....
> >
> >Dear Mr. Glaysher,
> >
> >The Universal House of Justice, which is neither fundamentalist nor
> >intolerant, is well aware of my views already. I do not hesitate to
express
> >them to that body in a spirit of loving consultation instead of pressure
> >politicking. Therefore, I do not require either a pseudonym or your
> petitions
> >to do so.
> >
> >Besides, signing a petition with a pseudonym renders it useless anyhow.
> >
> >
> >LDRS LFST Shahid
> >Volunteer Message Board Leader
> >Baha'i Message Board
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

From: "FG" <FG@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: AOL & Open Petition for a Bahai Reformation
Date: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:25 PM

The latest duplicities:

Subj: Signature Lines, etc.
Date: 3/6/2001 12:45:09 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: ldrslfstshahid@aol.com (LDRS LFST Shahid)
To: glaysherfj@aol.com

Dear friends,

Signature lines are permissible and even encouraged but these must comply
with the Spirituality Message Board Standards and AOL's Terms of Service.
The Spirituality message boards are dedicated to support and/or fellowship,
therefore websites aimed at attacking the Baha'i Faith should not be posted
here. Also, please avoid making short
"I agree" statements on the board. They tend to clutter the boards. Also,
try to avoid reposting entire messages in your responses.
LDRS LFST Shahid

Volunteer Message Board Leader

Baha'i Message Board

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"FG" <f_glaysher@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ta1p8d80p8re6b@corp.supernews.com...
> FYI:
>
> Subj: Your Post on the Baha'i Message Board
> Date: 2/27/2001 1:42:17 AM Eastern Standard Time
> From: LDRS LFST Shahid
> To: GlaysherFJ
> CC: LDRS LFST Jerry, LDRS LFST Mgr
>
>
> Dear Mr. Fred Glaysher,
>
>
> Regarding your message posted at: Lifestyle>Spirituality>Baha'i Message
> Board>Questions to the Community Leaders>2/26/01 7:36 AM
>
> To avoid further disruption to the message board, some of your posts have
> been removed. Please review Keyword: TOS and the Spirituality Message
Board
> Guidelines for more information on what is appropriate in our community.
>
> Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been
> submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot
> respond to replies. Therefore, if you have any comments or questions
please
> send mail to TOSGeneral.
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> LDRS LFST Shahid
> Volunteer Message Board Leader
> Baha'i Message Board
>
> Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
> Date: 2/26/01 7:36 AM Eastern Standard Time
> From: GlaysherFJ
> Message-id: <20010226073616.04001.00000011@ng-mi1.aol.com>
>
>
> Dear Community Leader:
>
> Your comments are quite false and misleading, in my opinion.
>
> The uhj has become an intolerant fundamentalist institution, distorting
> Baha'u'llah's most basic Teachings regarding freedom of speech and
> conscience. It uses tyrannical and deceitful definitions of what
constitutes
> "loving consultation" to encourage the lowest elements among our fellow
> Bahais to attack and malign others in the hope of driving them into
silence
> and submission, indeed, even of driving OUT of the Bahai Faith.... Those
> wishing to
> confirm these claims need only look at the threats currently being made
> against my LIFE by a Bahai fundamentalist on talk.religion.bahai, easily
> accessible from AOL by Keyword Newsgroups.
>
> Do you encourage and support threatening the very lives of your fellow
> Bahais who do not share your intolerant fundamentalism?
>
> In such an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, many Bahais and ex-bahais,
> even non-bahais, may very well find it wise to sign my Open Petition for a
> Bahai Reformation with a pseudonym.
>
> --
> FG
> www.FG.com
> The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
> https://members.nbci.com/FG/index.htm
>
>
> "FG" <FG@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:97djkn$oitbb$1@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de...
> > FYI
> >
> > ------
> > Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
> > Date: 2/26/2001 7:36 AM Eastern Standard Time
> > From: GlaysherFJ
> > Message-id: <20010226073616.04001.00000011@ng-mi1.aol.com>
> >
> >
> > Dear Community Leader:
> >
> > Your comments are quite false and misleading, in my opinion.
> >
> > The uhj has become an intolerant fundamentalist institution, distorting
> > Baha'u'llah's most basic Teachings regarding freedom of speech and
> > conscience. It uses tyrannical and deceitful definitions of what
> constitutes
> > "loving consultation" to encourage the lowest elements among our fellow
> > Bahais to attack and malign others in the hope of driving them into
> silence
> > and submission, indeed, even of driving OUT of the Bahai Faith....
> >
> > Those wishing to
> > confirm these claims need only look at the threats currently being made
> > against my LIFE by a Bahai fundamentalist on talk.religion.bahai, easily
> > accessible from AOL by Keyword Newsgroups.
> >
> > Do you encourage and support threatening the very lives of your fellow
> > Bahais who do not share your intolerant fundamentalism?
> >
> > In such an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, many Bahais and
ex-bahais,
> > even non-bahais, may very well find it wise to sign my Open Petition for
a
> > Bahai Reformation with a pseudonym.
> >
> > --
> > FG
> > www.FG.com
> > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
> > https://members.nbci.com/FG/index.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > >Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
> > >Date: 2/20/2001 11:32 AM Eastern Standard Time
> > >From: LDRS LFST Shahid
> > >Message-id: <20010220113246.05728.00003460@ng-md1.aol.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >>Note in Announcements that I would allow you to use a pseudonym if
> > >>you're too afraid of the intolerant fundamentalism of the universal
> > >>house of "justice" to state your views in an open and candid
manner....
> > >
> > >Dear Mr. Glaysher,
> > >
> > >The Universal House of Justice, which is neither fundamentalist nor
> > >intolerant, is well aware of my views already. I do not hesitate to
> express
> > >them to that body in a spirit of loving consultation instead of
pressure
> > >politicking. Therefore, I do not require either a pseudonym or your
> > petitions
> > >to do so.
> > >
> > >Besides, signing a petition with a pseudonym renders it useless anyhow.
> > >
> > >
> > >LDRS LFST Shahid
> > >Volunteer Message Board Leader
> > >Baha'i Message Board
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

From: "FG" <FG@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: AOL & Open Petition for a Bahai Reformation
Date: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:30 PM

FYI note Susan Maneck's link as signature file on AOL
which the present "Community Leader" permitted while
prohibitting mine.

Conclusion: as long as fellow fundamentalist fanatics
are posting them, it's permissible....

--
FG
www.FG.com
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.nbci.com/FG/index.htm

----
Subject: Baha'i Epochs
Date: 1/29/2001 2:46 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: Smaneck
Message-id: <20010129024623.05802.00003149@ng-cg1.aol.com>

Dear friends,

Earlier someone had asked about the various Baha'i Epochs. I was able to
locate the following article on this topic.

warmest, Susan

Epochs explained

(From Rodney Clarken's education list,
https://www-instruct.nmu.edu/education/rclarken/)

Since the House announced the Fifth Epoch of the Formative Age, I have had
several people ask about what it means and for background on the epochs.
Below is the best description I have come across and refers to references
where the House has explained earlier epochs.

Forwarded by Riaz Khadem via Shahla.

_____________

A number of the friends have inquired into the meaning of the Universal
House of Justice' announcement of the beginning of the Fifth Epoch of the
Formative Age of the Faith. While the full meaning of this announcement
will be revealed with time, it is instructive to read the description of the
previous epochs of the formative age as described by the House of Justice
itself in *Messages from the Universal House of Justice, 1963-1986.*

"Epoch" is a term used by the Beloved Guardian to describe
progressive stages in the evolution of the organic Baha'i community and
signal the maturation of its institutions, allowing the Faith to operate at
new levels and to initiate new functions. Here is a description of the
stages in the evolution of the Faith, using these epochs as demarcations of
maturation:

The Epochs of the Apostolic & The Heroic Age of the Dispensations of the Bab
and Baha'u'llah:

1844-1853: The Epoch of the Bab
1853-1892: The Epoch of Baha'u'llah
1892-1921: The Epoch of Abdul-Baha

The Epochs of the Formative Age of the Dispensation of Baha'u'llah:

1921-1944/6: The First Epoch
Birth and the primary stages in the erection of the framework of the
Administrative Order of the Faith, with the formation of local and national
institutions in all five continents. Began with naming of Shoghi Effendi as
the Guardian of the Cause, his careful instruction of the community in the
principles of Baha'i administration, and led to the inception of the First
Seven Year Plan (1937-1944) of the North American Baha'i community, the
first
systematic teaching campaign in the history of the Faith, which inaugerated
the execution of the Tablets of the Divine Plan.

1946-1963: The Second Epoch
Under the guidance of Shoghi Effendi, involved the formulation of a
succession of national teaching plans designed to facilitate the development
of the Faith beyond the confines of the Western Hemisphere and the continent
of Europe. Marked by the inception of the second Seven Year Plan in America
(1946-1953) and the worldwide Ten Year Crusade (1953-1963), involving twelve
national plans, and achieved the appointment of the Hands of the Cause, the
appointment of Auxiliary Boards, and the establishment of the International
Baha'i Council, concluding in the election of the Universal House of
Justice.

1963-1986: The Third Epoch
Led by the Universal House of Justice, witnessed the emergence of the Faith
from obscurity, the initiation of activities designed to foster social and
economic development, the creation of the institution of the Continental
Boards of Counsellors and the International Teaching Centre, the appointment
of assistants to Auxiliary Board Members, and the construction and
occupation by the Universal House of Justice of its Seat on Mt. Carmel.
Launched three
worldwide plans: the Nine Year Plan (1964-1973) the Five Year Plan
(1974-1979) and the Seven Year Plan (1979-1986).

1986-2001: The Fourth Epoch
Witnessed the formulation of the specific goals for each national community
through consultation of the National Spiritual Assemblies and the
Continental Boards of Counsellors. Began with the Six Year Plan (1986-1992),
and continued through the Holy Year (1992-1993) to the Three Year Plan
(1993-1996), the Four Year Plan (1996-2000) and the Twelve Month Plan
(2000-2001).

2001- : The Fifth Epoch
Via internalizing and integrating the lessons and experiences of
systematization witnessed an unparalleled unity of thought in the
institution of the Counsellors. Saw the completion of the Arc on Mt. Carmel,
a change in the Baha'i culture due to the emergence of training institutes,
and the synchronization of institutional collaboration with the external
processes toward world unity.

**All the Epochs are described in length in *Messages from the Universal
House of Justice 1963-1986,* Pgs 710 -716 Para 451.1 - 451.14

As we reflect upon the significance of this Fifth Epoch, we may wish to
contemplate what marvels will mark this period as the Baha'i community
extends to its grassroots-at the level of the Local Spiritual Assemblies and
the Auxiliary Board Members and their assistants in a united, systematic
process of growth-the collaboration between the institutions of the rulers
and learned in the training institutes which have contributed to a dramatic
change in
the culture of the Baha'i community around the world.

warmest, Susan

https://www.susanmaneck.com

From: "FG" <FG@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: AOL Censorship & Abuse of TOS rules by the fundamentalist Community "Leader"
Date: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:36 PM

Please note that my website does not attack the
bahai faith but reveals the extent to which fundamentalists
among our fellow bahais attack people who do not share
their literal-minded mindset.

It will be evident to honest and decent people that you
abuse your position and are merely attempting to finding
other strategems to falsely TOS me.

--
FG
www.FG.com
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.nbci.com/FG/index.htm

---
Subj: Signature Lines, etc.
Date: 3/6/2001 12:45:09 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: ldrslfstshahid@aol.com (LDRS LFST Shahid)
To: glaysherfj@aol.com

Dear friends,

Signature lines are permissible and even encouraged but these must comply
with the Spirituality Message Board Standards and AOL's Terms of Service.
The Spirituality message boards are dedicated to support and/or fellowship,
therefore websites aimed at attacking the Baha'i Faith should not be posted
here. Also, please avoid making short
"I agree" statements on the board. They tend to clutter the boards. Also,
try to avoid reposting entire messages in your responses.
LDRS LFST Shahid

Volunteer Message Board Leader

Baha'i Message Board

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Subj:	Re: Terms of Service
Date:	6/9/2001 7:58:02 AM Eastern Standard Time
From:	Glayshf
To:	TOSGeneral
CC:	FG@home.com

The bahai community leader is harassing me trying to suppress all knowledge
and discussion about the major lawsuit against the bahai faith recently filed
in New Mexico. Please ask him to desist.

FULL TEXT:
New Mexico LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL 3/2/2001
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuit.htm
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuitResponse.htm

This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais disagree.

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved with
AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from people
whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to
fundamentalist sites and events....

A clear example of the way AOL is manipulated and freedom of speech and
conscience are regularly DAMAGED by AOL's indulgence.

--
FG
www.FG.com
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/index.htm


Subj:	Re: Dealing with disruptive messages
Date:	6/11/2001 6:44:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From:	Glayshf
To:	TOSGeneral
CC:	LDRS LFST Mgr

Regarding the community leader of the Bahai message boards violating the TOS and rights of AOL members, please read Mr Mahdi's message below.

NOTE WELL: WE CANNOT APPEAL TO THE STAFF. THEY ARE THE PROBLEM.

Please do something to protect our constitutional rights on these AOL boards.

In addition to below, be sure to see FULL TEXT:
New Mexico LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL 3/2/2001
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuit.htm
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuitResponse.htm
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuitAttorney.htm

FG
www.FG.com
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/index.htm

If your spiritual assembly behaves like the KGB, please contact me to
discuss starting a similar lawsuit in your city. We are preparing these
suits all over the USA. Work with us to return the Faith to conformity
with the vision of Baha'u'llah and the directives of the UHJ.-Yorgos Marinakis, Ph.D., J.D.
Attorney-at-law

"Mr Mahdi" <mrmahdi@aol.com> wrote in message news:<20010610134221.06230.00000668@ng-fg1.aol.com>...
> Greetings Fred,
>
> >It may be time to take up the New Mexico Bahai lawyer's offer for advice
> >on suing the fundamentalists, not only in local LSAs, but online as well,
> >such as here on AOL, and perhaps AOL itself for allowing them, year
> >after year, to violate very basic constitutional rights of fellow Bahais,
> >such as myself, and non-Bahais on AOL.... Comments?
>
> As you know, I have been harassed by AOL bahais on many occasions. If their
> harassment constitutes any violation of any law, I wonder where the "bahai
> love" went that made them into law-breakers.
>
> My views on the bahai faith is based upon what I believe. Some bahais
> unfortunately have tried to silence me into submission, even to the point where
> they tried to kick me off AOL on SEVERAL occasions. I never encountered such
> fanatical behavior in my life online, but I guess there is a first for
> everything. And check this out, I haven't even mentioned the harrassment on
> got from bahais online (particular in TRB) who have even stalked me and kept a
> archive of my posts, some dating back to over two years ago! They even have
> reported to my ISP many of times, trying once again to get me kicked off AOL.
> What kind of extremism has made these people into such uptight fanatics beats
> me!
>
> As for suing online bahais, do as you wish. I would like to say Fred that if
> you do ever decide to go forward with suing the bahai extremists on AOL and you
> need me as a witness or what not, please feel free to ask me. I myself can
> testify to the extremism of certain bahais on AOL in the past 3 years against
> me as well as others on AOL whom you can also ask to testify against what
> certain elements within the bahais have done against them on AOL and elsewhere.
> As you probably know, bahais on AOL don't just harrass on the message boards,
> but on the chat room as well.
>
> Fred, I suggest that you visit the bahai chat room on AOL and see how certain
> bahais act, trust me, it would make the extremism and intolerant nature of the
> message boards look like a child's play. I also mentioned this before that
> bahais have slandered you in the chat rooms, calling things like a "CB" to
> being a non-bahai to being a mental case and so on.
>
> I would like to thank you Fred for your fairness in these past years and you
> giving the minority voices in your religion as well as the critics of the bahai
> faith such as myself a place where their views and experiences can be read.
> Your website is definitely a historical document, which I believe serious
> scholars can study from.
>
> Finally, if you feel that suing the bahai fanatics on AOL will get a point
> across and/or that finally some justice will be served to you as well as many
> others who were victims of bahai fanaticism on AOL. follow your intuition. I
> would support you in whatever you decide to do in this particular matter, and I
> hope that whatever decision you make is deemed by you as the best one. I hope
> that you make the right decision on this matter, whatever it may be and I hope
> you success.
>
> Peace.
>
> Mahdi Muhammad
>
> https://members.xoom.com/mrmahdi/caliphate.html

----
Subj: Re: Dealing with disruptive messages
Date: 6/10/2001 1:03:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: TOSGen1
To: Glayshf

Dear Member,

Questions or comments regarding activities in a particular forum need to be addressed by the forum's staff or supervisor. Most forums have a "Feedback" or "Meet the Staff" button on their main screen. This is the best way to contact staff members.

If you are unable to locate the screen name of a staff member, you may want to go to Keyword: Questions or Suggestions. Your letter will be forwarded from there to the proper person.

If you have any comments or questions please send e-mail to TOSGeneral.

Regards,
Anthony
Community Action Team
America Online, Inc.


Subj:	Fwd: Board Posting at Bahai Faith
Date:	6/10/2001 10:46:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From:	Glayshf
To:	TOSGeneral
CC:	FG@home.com

The forum's staff are dishonest fundamentalists among my fellow bahais who are using and manipulating AOL's TOS rules to suppress free speech and knowledge of and about the major lawsuit that has been filed against bahai fraud and libel in New Mexico. Hence I and other AOL members who do not toe the party line cannot appeal to them for justice.

See below for details.

The bahai community leader is harassing me trying to suppress all knowledge
and discussion about the major lawsuit against the bahai faith recently filed
in New Mexico. Please ask him to desist.

FULL TEXT:
New Mexico LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL 3/2/2001
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuit.htm
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuitResponse.htm

This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with
AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people
whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to
fundamentalist sites and events....

A clear example of the way AOL is manipulated and freedom of speech and
conscience are regularly DAMAGED by AOL's indulgence.

--
FG
www.FG.com
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/index.htm

-----------------
Forwarded Message:


Subj:	Board Posting at Bahai Faith
Date:	6/10/2001 3:46:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From:	LDRS LFST Shahid
To:	Glayshf
CC:	LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry


Subj:	Board Posting at Bahai Faith
Date:	6/10/2001 3:46:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From:	LDRS LFST Shahid
To:	Glayshf
CC:	LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry


Subj:	Dealing with disruptive messages
Date:	6/10/2001 3:45:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: ldrslfstshahid@aol.com (LDRS LFST Shahid) To: glayshf@aol.com

Dear friends,

I thought I would provide you with some information as to how disruptive messages are handled on this Board. Generally speaking the first step is to post an educational message providing information as to the proper behavior on this board. That message will be cc'd to the offending party, but normally the post in question is not removed. If posting along the same lines continue, then an official warning is sent out and the post in question removed.
While this is cc'd to the supervisor for the spirituality forums, receiving such a letter does not necessarily meant that the matter has gone to CAT. That usually happens only when the behavior shows no sign of improving.

This proceedure is set by AOL policy and the board monitors do not have the authority to change them.
LDRS LFST Shahid

Volunteer Message Board Leader

Baha'i Message Board

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In a message dated 6/6/2001 11:37:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, TOSBoards2 writes:

Subj:Terms of Service
Date:6/6/2001 11:37:42 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:TOSBoards2
To:Glayshf

Dear Member,

America Online has a Terms of Service agreement which provides community guidelines for online conduct. I need to let you know that we received a report regarding a violation of those guidelines on one of our Message Boards. Here is the information I have placed on the account regarding this incident:

Subj: New Mexico LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL 3/2/2001
Date: 06 Jun 2001 07:21:10 EDT
From: glayshf@aol.com
Message-ID: <20010606072110.11918.00001393@ng-fo1.aol.com>
Author: Mon CD
Violation clip:New Mexico LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL 3/2/2001

SECOND JUDICIAL DISTRICT
COUNTY OF BERNALILLO
STATE OF NEW MEXICO

DEBORAH BUCHHORN, for herself )
and for MINORITY )
MEMBERS OF THE SPIRITUAL )
ASSEMBLY OF THE BAHÁ'Í'S OF )
ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO, )
)
Plaintiffs, )
)
Our Terms of Service agreement, which was presented when you opened your AOL account, allows America Online to be informative, entertaining and, above all, fun for all of our members. You can review that agreement at Keyword: TOS. Also, you may want to take a look at Keyword: Parental Controls. Parental Controls allow you to restrict the online activities of specific screen names on your account. For information on how to protect your account, be sure to visit Keyword: Neighborhood Watch.

Thank you for taking the time to read this letter. Since this screen name cannot accept replies, please direct any comments or questions to screen name TOSGeneral.

Regards,
Mon
Community Action Team
America Online, Inc.


Subj:	Terms of Service
Date:	6/6/2001 11:37:42 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:	TOSBoards2
To:	Glayshf

Dear Member,

America Online has a Terms of Service agreement which provides community guidelines for online conduct. I need to let you know that we received a report regarding a violation of those guidelines on one of our Message Boards. Here is the information I have placed on the account regarding this incident:

Subj: New Mexico LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL 3/2/2001
Date: 06 Jun 2001 07:21:10 EDT
From: glayshf@aol.com
Message-ID: <20010606072110.11918.00001393@ng-fo1.aol.com>
Author: Mon CD
Violation clip:New Mexico LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL 3/2/2001

SECOND JUDICIAL DISTRICT
COUNTY OF BERNALILLO
STATE OF NEW MEXICO

DEBORAH BUCHHORN, for herself )
and for MINORITY )
MEMBERS OF THE SPIRITUAL )
ASSEMBLY OF THE BAHÁ'Í'S OF )
ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO, )
)
Plaintiffs, )
)
Our Terms of Service agreement, which was presented when you opened your AOL account, allows America Online to be informative, entertaining and, above all, fun for all of our members. You can review that agreement at Keyword: TOS. Also, you may want to take a look at Keyword: Parental Controls. Parental Controls allow you to restrict the online activities of specific screen names on your account. For information on how to protect your account, be sure to visit Keyword: Neighborhood Watch.

Thank you for taking the time to read this letter. Since this screen name cannot accept replies, please direct any comments or questions to screen name TOSGeneral.

Regards,
Mon
Community Action Team
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Subj:	Board Posting a Bahai Faith
Date:	6/6/2001 11:34:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:	LDRS LFST Shahid
To:	Glayshf
CC:	LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry

Dear Member,

Regarding your messages posted at various folders Lifestyle>Spirituality>Baha'i Message Board

To avoid further disruption to the message board, your posts have been removed. Please review Keyword: TOS and the Spirituality Message Board Standards for more information on what is appropriate in our community.

Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.

Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot respond to replies. Therefore, if you have any comments or questions please send mail to TOSGeneral.

Regards,

LDRS LFST Shahid
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Subject: New Mexico LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL 3/2/2001
Date: 6/6/01 7:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Glayshf
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New Mexico LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL 3/2/2001

SECOND JUDICIAL DISTRICT
COUNTY OF BERNALILLO
STATE OF NEW MEXICO

DEBORAH BUCHHORN, for herself )
and for MINORITY )
MEMBERS OF THE SPIRITUAL )
ASSEMBLY OF THE BAHÁ'Í'S OF )
ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO, )
)
Plaintiffs, )
)
vs. ) No. CV 2001-01978
)
)
TRUSTEES OF THE SPIRITUAL )
ASSEMBLY OF THE BAHÁ'Í S OF )
ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO, and )
THE SPIRITUAL ASSEMBLY OF THE )
BAHÁ'Í'S OF ALBUQUERQUE, )
NEW MEXICO, a non-profit )
corporation, and the )
NATIONAL SPIRITUAL ASSEMBLY )
OF THE BAHÁ'Í'S OF THE )
UNITED STATES, )
an Illinois Corporation, )
)
Defendants. )

VERIFIED COMPLAINT FOR FRAUD, LIBEL, BREACH
OF CORPORATE DUTIES, AND DECLARATORY AND
INJUNCTIVE RELIEF

COMES NOW Plaintiffs by and through their attorney of record, Yorgos D.
Marinakis, and for their Complaint states as follows:

INTRODUCTION

1. Plaintiffs file this shareholder or member derivative suit against:
- the Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá'ís of Albuquerque, New Mexico (Local
Spiritual Assembly, or LSA),
- their Trustees, and
- the Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá'ís of the United States (National
Spiritual Assembly, or NSA), with whom the Local Spiritual Assembly and
itsTrustees have privity.
2. Plaintiffs allege that Trustees breached their duties as corporate
officers.
3. Plaintiffs allege that the National Spiritual Assembly breached their
duty of deciding appeals owed to Plaintiffs.
4. Plaintiffs allege that the literature review policies of the Local
Spiritual Assembly and the National Spiritual Assembly, which lie in
privity, unlawfully prevent shareholders from their right to communicate
with other shareholders.
5. Plaintiffs allege that Defendants failed to execute their duties under
their corporate by-laws.

PARTIES

6. Named Plaintiff Deborah Buchhorn was a shareholder or member of the
Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá'ís of Albuquerque, New Mexico, at the time
of the incidents stated in this Complaint, and she continues to be a member.
7. The Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá'ís of Albuquerque, New Mexico (Local
Spiritual Assembly) is a New Mexico non-profit corporation.
Shareholder-members may appeal decisions by the Local Spiritual Assembly to
the National Spiritual Assembly.
8. The Trustees of the Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá'ís of Albuquerque,
New Mexico (Trustees) individually reside in Bernalillo County, New Mexico,
as a condition of their Trusteeship. Trustees are Kambiz Victory, Ok-Sun
and John McHenry, Manijeh Kavelin, Nelson Sapad, Harry and Sondra Day, Owen
Creightney, and Carol Caldwell. Jenny Beery was a Trustee during the time
of many of these incidents.
9. The Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá'ís of the United States (National
Spiritual Assembly) is incorporated in and has its principal place of
business in Illinois.

FACTS

10. The Bahá'í have no clergy. Instead, each community in the Bahá'í Faith
annually elects nine Trustees or a "Local Spiritual Assembly," which acts
as an agent or subsidiary of the National Spiritual Assembly. Each
National Spiritual Assembly answers to the supreme Bahá'í body, The
Universal House of Justice. The Universal House of Justice established the
Continental Board of Counsellors (sic) to assist them, and the Countinental
Board of Counsellors further has the Auxiliary Board to assist them.
11. In the particular situation between the Trustees of the Spiritual
Assembly of Bahá'ís of Albuquerque, New Mexico, Defendants Trustees
controlled what member activities Plaintiffs were able to engage in and
what members they were able to talk to. They stopped them from interacting
with friends at member events. They stopped Plaintiffs from serving on
committees and stopped their individual activities for personal reasons.
They made all the decisions relating to Plaintiffs' membership-related
activities. They told named Plaintiff that opinions she may personally
hold were bad and implicitly threatened to curtail her presence at member
functions. They acted as if the abuse were no big deal, that it was
Plaintiff's fault, and denied doing it. They failed to act when one member
was physically threatened and shoved by another member.
12. Although Plaintiffs have consistently complied with Defendant Trustees'
demands, they have also consistently filed complaints against them with the
National and International Bahá'í authorities. This has enraged the
Defendant Trustees.
13. Defendant Trustees have never made specific accusations or informed
Plaintiffs of wrongdoing, other than vague statements such as "you have
issues with the Spiritual Assembly."
14. Therefore, deep-seated animosities and distrust have arisen between
Plaintiffs and the Trustees, which are incapable of resolution and thereby
present an irreconcilable barrier to the ability of the corporation to
function as is.
15. Plaintiffs' reasonable expectations that they would be able to
participate in the management and activities of their corporation, as
minority shareholders, have been thwarted since at least 1995.
16. Article IV of the LSA by-laws provides that the LSA shall compose
differences and disagreements among members of the community. Article VII,
section 9 of the NSA by-laws provides that any member of a Bahá'í community
may appeal from a decision of his LSA to the NSA.

Failure to Allow Inspection of Books and Records

17. The books and records of the corporation have been maintained in an
inaccurate and inequitable manner.
18. The year 2000 annual meeting showed a 10%, $10,000 discrepancy in the
corporate books.
19. In a letter dated September 3, 2000, named Plaintiff Deborah Buchhorn
informed the Local Spiritual Assembly that she desired to inspect their
financial books. Defendants refused.
20. Following mailing of the demand letter, the LSA offered to allow named
Plaintiff to inspect the books and records, but under conditions that the
Plaintiff deemed in bad faith.

Fraudulent Oppression and Prevention of Communications between Shareholders

21. On April 19, 1998, Defendant Trustees ordered named Plaintiff Deborah
Buchhorn to refrain from discussing her "issues" with anyone but Auxiliary
Board member Brent Poirier and the Local Spiritual Assembly. Plaintiff
complied and appealed to Brent Poirier and the National Spiritual Assembly,
who took no action. Defendant LSA has wrapped many of their dealings with
members in the cloak of secrecy in a like manner.

Electioneering

22. At the Annual Meeting Feast of 1999, Defendant Trustees fraudulently
rigged the election of Trustee Nelson Sapad by calling for applause for him
three times prior to an election of corporate officers. Plaintiff appealed
to the National Spiritual Assembly and Brent Poirier, who took no action.
23. Defendant Trustees or their agents fraudulently rigged the election of
Harry and Sondra Day, by introducing them and calling for applause moments
before an election of corporate officers.
24. Trustees do not ensure secret balloting at the Annual Meeting Feast.
The usual practice is not to use a ballot box, but for members to lay their
ballots on a plate or in a basket in plain sight of the election tellers.
Ms. Buchhorn appealed to Brent Poirier on at least one election. Mr.
Poirier responded by handling the collection basket himself.
25. In the member newsletter and prior to the annual election and during
the Annual Meeting Feast, Trustees have used scriptural quotes to draw
attention to persons serving on certain committees.

Fraudulent and Oppressive Behavior Relating to the TV Show "Spiritual
Reality"

26. Plaintiffs conceptualized and produced a TV show named "Spiritual
Reality." After 100 showings, during which Defendant Trustees only
complimented Plaintiffs, Defendant Trustees, fraudulently and with intent
to oppress, mandated major changes in the show. Plaintiffs complied and
appealed to the National Spiritual Assembly and Brent Poirier, who took no
action.
27. Defendant Trustees, fraudulently and with intent to oppress, ordered
Plaintiffs to "temporarily postpone" their television show, "Spiritual
Reality." Plaintiff complied, and Defendants never specifically informed
Plaintiffs what they had done to precipitate the arbitrary and capricious
termination. The effect of this order, namely the termination of the TV
show, violated the right of shareholders to communicate with other
shareholders.
28. Trustees fraudulently and under false pretences stated that the reasons
for termination would be fully discussed at a later meeting, at which
meeting those reasons were never discussed. Defendant Trustee Kambiz
Victory, employee of channel 41, knew or should have known that a
television program cannot be "temporarily postponed." Plaintiffs appealed
to the National Spiritual Assembly, who took no action.
29. Defendant Kambiz Victory, a Trustee, fraudulently and with intent to
oppress, told named Plaintiff Deborah Buchhorn in regards to her television
show that "Your teaching can have no effect because you are not in unity
with the Spiritual Assembly." Defendant knew that Ms. Buchhorn's
television show brought in 15% of the information requests during an
unrelated major regional advertising campaign by Defendants. Plaintiff
appealed to the National Spiritual Assembly, who took no action.
30. Defendant Trustees fraudulently and under false pretences set-up
Plaintiffs to a "confession" of their animosity towards Defendant Trustees.
Named Plaintiff appealed to the National Spiritual Assembly, who took no
action.

Other Oppression

31. As an act of individual initiative, named Plaintiff Deborah Buchhorn
organized a Bahá'í parade float for several years for the New Mexico State
Fair Parade. In 2000, Defendant Trustees convened a task force to organize
the parade float for that year. On August 22, 2000, approximately 19 days
before the parade, Defendant Trustees, fraudulently and with intent to
oppress, instructed Plaintiff Deborah Buchhorn to terminate her parade
float activities. A false reason for this termination was published in the
membership newsletter by Defendant Trustees, causing Plaintiff
embarrassment. Plaintiff complied, and Defendant never informed Plaintiff
as to the reason for that termination. Plaintiff appealed to the National
Spiritual Assembly and Brent Poirier, who took no action.
32. Defendant Trustees, fraudulently and with intent to oppress, ordered
Plaintiff Deborah Buchhorn to receive instruction on the Bahá'í Covenant.
Plaintiff complied and attended that "instruction," which in fact consisted
of three (3) hours of interrogation by Trustee Owen Creightney, and John
and Ok-Sun McHenry. It became apparent at this meeting that Trustee
Creightney had lied to the Trustees in order to oppress named Plaintiff.
Plaintiff appealed to the National Spiritual Assembly and Brent Poirier,
who took no action.
33. Defendant Trustees, fraudulently and with intent to oppress, ordered
named Plaintiff Deborah Buchhorn to resign from the Bahá'í gospel choir.
Plaintiff complied, and Defendant never informed Plaintiff as to the reason
for that termination. Plaintiff appealed to the National Spiritual
Assembly and Brent Poirier, who took no action.
34. Defendant Trustees, fraudulently and with intent to oppress, undermined
named Plaintiff Deborah Buchhorn's Saturday Night Coffee House and in
effect stopped her Coffee House. Defendant never informed Plaintiff as to
these circumstances. Plaintiff appealed to the National Spiritual Assembly
and Brent Poirier, who took no action.
35. Defendant Trustees, fraudulently and with intent to oppress, have
ordered numerous Bahá'ís to shun Plaintiff Deborah Buchhorn.
36. Defendant Trustee Kambiz Victory told a Plaintiff "I am the voice of
God in this community."

Libel

37. Defendant Trustees knowingly published false and defamatory information
about Plaintiffs in the Albuquerque Bahá'í newsletter, specifically
relating to the parade banner.

Unlawful Prevention of Communication between Shareholders

38. Defendant National Spiritual Assembly has the policy that Local
Spiritual Assemblies are responsible for reviewing pamphlets and
newsletters and materials that mention the Faith such as songs, play
scripts, souvenir items, and greeting cards, intended for publication or
distribution within their communities, whereas the National Spiritual
Assembly is responsible for review of those same materials intended for
nationwide publication.

CAUSES OF ACTION

Count I
39. Plaintiffs reallege and incorporate all previous paragraphs.
40. The Trustees of the Local Spiritual Assembly have repeatedly acted and
continue to act fraudulently towards the Plaintiffs.
41. Plaintiffs have suffered emotional damages thereby.

Count II
42. Plaintiffs reallege and incorporate all previous paragraphs.
43. The Trustees of the Local Spiritual Assembly libeled the named
Plaintiff.
44. Plaintiffs have suffered emotional damages thereby.

Count III
45. Plaintiffs reallege and incorporate all previous paragraphs.
46. The Trustees of the Local Spiritual Assembly have repeatedly failed to
act and continue to fail to act in good faith, which failure constitutes
fraud.
47. Plaintiffs have suffered emotional damages thereby.

Count IV
48. Plaintiffs reallege and incorporates all previous paragraphs.
49. The Trustees of the Local Spiritual Assembly have repeatedly failed to
act and continue to fail to act with the care an ordinary prudent person in
like position would exercise under similar circumstances, which failure
constitute fraud.50. Plaintiffs have suffered emotional damages thereby.

Count V
51. Plaintiffs reallege and incorporate all previous paragraphs.
52. The Trustees of the Local Spiritual Assembly have repeatedly failed to
act and continue to fail to act in a manner they reasonably believe to be
in the best interests of the corporation and its members, which failure
constitutes fraud.
53. Plaintiffs have suffered emotional damages thereby.

Count VI
54. Plaintiffs reallege and incorporate all previous paragraphs.
55. The Trustees have repeatedly failed their duty to compose differences
and disagreements with themselves and the members, in violation of their
by-laws, which failure constitutes fraud.
56. Plaintiffs have suffered emotional damages thereby.

Count VII
57. Plaintiffs reallege and incorporate all previous paragraphs.
58. The National Spiritual Assembly has repeatedly failed their duty to
hear appeals from Plaintiffs, in violation of their by-laws.
59. Plaintiffs have suffered emotional damages thereby.

Count VIII
60. Plaintiffs reallege and incorporate all previous paragraphs.
61. The literature review policies of the National and Local Spiritual
Assemblies violate the rights of corporate members to communicate with
other corporate members.
62. Plaintiffs have suffered emotional damages thereby.

Count IX
63. Plaintiffs reallege and incorporate all previous paragraphs.
64. The practice of the Local Spiritual Assembly to direct members not to
speak about their dealings with the LSA with other corporate members
violates the rights of corporate members to communicate with other
corporate members.
65. Plaintiffs have suffered emotional damages thereby.

JUDICIAL RELIEF

WHEREFORE, for these reasons, Plaintiffs request that this Court:
1. Declare that the Trustees acted fraudulently towards Plaintiffs;
2. Declare that Trustees libeled Plaintiffs;
3. Declare that the Trustees breached their corporate duties
towardsPlaintiffs;
4. Remove the Trustees from their positions and enjoin them from serving in
official Bahá'ís capacities for nineteen (19) years;
5. Remove the LSA Directors who are also Trustees;
6. Declare that the Local Spiritual Assembly violated members' rights to
inspect corporate books and records;
7. Compel Defendant LSA to retain an independent certified public
accountant to audit the books for the last two years;
8. Declare that Defendant LSA violated their corporate by-laws by failing
to compose differences and disagreements among members of the community;
6. Declare that the National Spiritual Assembly breached their duty of
hearing Plaintiffs' appeals;
7. Declare that the literature review policies of the Bahá'ís violate
United States common law as preventing corporate members from communicating
with other corporate members;
8. Enjoin Defendants National Spiritual Assembly and Local Spiritual
Assembly from enforcing their literature review policy;
9. Declare that the secrecy practices of the Local Spiritual Assembly
violate United States common law as preventing corporate members from
communicating with other corporate members;
10. Enjoin Defendant Local Spiritual Assembly from continuing their secrecy
practices;
11. Award compensatory damages from Defendants to Plaintiffs;
12. Award attorney's fees and costs to Plaintiffs;
13. Any other relief this Court deems appropriate.

Respectfully submitted,

___________________________
Yorgos D. Marinakis
Attorney for Plaintiffs
P.O. Box 45923
Rio Rancho, NM 87174
505-459-4664
877-430-9550 (fax)

Named Plaintiff's Verification

STATE OF NEW MEXICO )
) ss.
COUNTY OF BERNALILLO)

COMES NOW Deborah Buchhorn, and being duly sworn, states as follows:
1. I have read and understood the contents of this Complaint.
2. I have personal knowledge of the facts stated herein.
3. I attest to and verify their truth and
accuracy.__________________________
DEBORAH BUCHHORN
SWORN TO AND SUBSCRIBED before me this __ day of ______, 2001.
________________________
Notary Public

My Commission Expires:


Subj:	Fwd: Meet Deborah Buchhorn
Date:	6/6/2001 3:58:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:	LDRS LFST Mgr
To:	Glayshf

Dear Glayshf:

The Baha'i community in the Spirituality forum is dedicated to interactions of a spiritual nature and postings concerning most offline events are inappropriate here. You may wish to visit the area at Keyword News or Keyword Legal instead.

Lifestyles Manager
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Subj:	Re: Meet Deborah Buchhorn
Date:	6/6/2001 6:04:17 AM Eastern Standard Time
From:	Glayshf
To:	TOSGeneral
CC:	LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry

The bahai community leader is harassing me trying to suppress all knowledge
and discussion about the major lawsuit against the bahai faith recently filed
in New Mexico. Please ask him to desist.

FULL TEXT:
New Mexico LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL 3/2/2001
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuit.htm
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuitResponse.htm

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Subj:	Lawsuits against bahai for FRAUD & LIBEL
Date:	6/5/2001 9:34:45 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:	LDRS LFST Shahid
To:	Glayshf
CC:	LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry

Dear Mr. Glaysher,

Regarding your message posted at: Lifestyle>Spirituality>Baha'i Message Board>For Inquirers> 6/3/01 9:21 AM


Subj:	Re: Meet Deborah Buchhorn
Date:	6/5/2001 9:24:05 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:	LDRS LFST Shahid
To:	Glayshf
CC:	LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry

Dear Mr. Glaysher,

Regarding your message posted at: Lifestyle>Spirituality>Baha'i Message Board>Bahai-Cemter> 6/3/01 9:24 AM

To avoid further disruption to the message board, your post has been removed. Please review Keyword: TOS and the Spirituality Message Board Standards for more information on what is appropriate in our community.

Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.

Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot respond to replies. Therefore, if you have any comments or questions please send mail to TOSGeneral.

Regards,

LDRS LFST Shahid
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Subject: Re: Meet Deborah Buchhorn
Date: 6/3/01 9:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Glayshf
Message-id: <20010603092408.11850.00000413@ng-fo1.aol.com>

See also her Response to Dismiss the lawsuit at
New Mexico LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL 3/2/2001
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuit.htm
https://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/FG/NMLawsuitResponse.htm

SECOND JUDICIAL DISTRICT
COUNTY OF BERNALILLO
STATE OF NEW MEXICO

DEBORAH BUCHHORN, for herself )
and for MINORITY )
MEMBERS OF THE SPIRITUAL )
ASSEMBLY OF THE BAHÁ'Í'S OF )
ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO, )
)
Plaintiffs, )
)
vs. ) No. CV 2001-01978
)
)
TRUSTEES OF THE SPIRITUAL )
ASSEMBLY OF THE BAHÁ'Í S OF )
ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO, and )
THE SPIRITUAL ASSEMBLY OF THE )
BAHÁ'Í'S OF ALBUQUERQUE, )
NEW MEXICO, a non-profit )
corporation, and the )
NATIONAL SPIRITUAL ASSEMBLY )
OF THE BAHÁ'Í'S OF THE )
UNITED STATES, )
an Illinois Corporation, )
)
Defendants. )

VERIFIED COMPLAINT FOR FRAUD, LIBEL, BREACH
OF CORPORATE DUTIES, AND DECLARATORY AND
INJUNCTIVE RELIEF

COMES NOW Plaintiffs by and through their attorney of record, Yorgos D.
Marinakis, and for their Complaint states as follows:

INTRODUCTION

1. Plaintiffs file this shareholder or member derivative suit against:
- the Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá'ís of Albuquerque, New Mexico (Local
Spiritual Assembly, or LSA),
- their Trustees, and
- the Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá'ís of the United States (National
Spiritual Assembly, or NSA), with whom the Local Spiritual Assembly and
itsTrustees have privity.
2. Plaintiffs allege that Trustees breached their duties as corporate
officers.
3. Plaintiffs allege that the National Spiritual Assembly breached their
duty of deciding appeals owed to Plaintiffs.
4. Plaintiffs allege that the literature review policies of the Local
Spiritual Assembly and the National Spiritual Assembly, which lie in
privity, unlawfully prevent shareholders from their right to communicate
with other shareholders.
5. Plaintiffs allege that Defendants failed to execute their duties under
their corporate by-laws.

PARTIES

6. Named Plaintiff Deborah Buchhorn was a shareholder or member of the
Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá'ís of Albuquerque, New Mexico, at the time
of the incidents stated in this Complaint, and she continues to be a member.
7. The Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá'ís of Albuquerque, New Mexico (Local
Spiritual Assembly) is a New Mexico non-profit corporation.
Shareholder-members may appeal decisions by the Local Spiritual Assembly to
the National Spiritual Assembly.
8. The Trustees of the Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá'ís of Albuquerque,
New Mexico (Trustees) individually reside in Bernalillo County, New Mexico,
as a condition of their Trusteeship. Trustees are Kambiz Victory, Ok-Sun
and John McHenry, Manijeh Kavelin, Nelson Sapad, Harry and Sondra Day, Owen
Creightney, and Carol Caldwell. Jenny Beery was a Trustee during the time
of many of these incidents.
9. The Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá'ís of the United States (National
Spiritual Assembly) is incorporated in and has its principal place of
business in Illinois.

FACTS

10. The Bahá'í have no clergy. Instead, each community in the Bahá'í Faith
annually elects nine Trustees or a "Local Spiritual Assembly," which acts
as an agent or subsidiary of the National Spiritual Assembly. Each
National Spiritual Assembly answers to the supreme Bahá'í body, The
Universal House of Justice. The Universal House of Justice established the
Continental Board of Counsellors (sic) to assist them, and the Countinental
Board of Counsellors further has the Auxiliary Board to assist them.
11. In the particular situation between the Trustees of the Spiritual
Assembly of Bahá'ís of Albuquerque, New Mexico, Defendants Trustees
controlled what member activities Plaintiffs were able to engage in and
what members they were able to talk to. They stopped them from interacting
with friends at member events. They stopped Plaintiffs from serving on
committees and stopped their individual activities for personal reasons.
They made all the decisions relating to Plaintiffs' membership-related
activities. They told named Plaintiff that opinions she may personally
hold were bad and implicitly threatened to curtail her presence at member
functions. They acted as if the abuse were no big deal, that it was
Plaintiff's fault, and denied doing it. They failed to act when one member
was physically threatened and shoved by another member.
12. Although Plaintiffs have consistently complied with Defendant Trustees'
demands, they have also consistently filed complaints against them with the
National and International Bahá'í authorities. This has enraged the
Defendant Trustees.
13. Defendant Trustees have never made specific accusations or informed
Plaintiffs of wrongdoing, other than vague statements such as "you have
issues with the Spiritual Assembly."
14. Therefore, deep-seated animosities and distrust have arisen between
Plaintiffs and the Trustees, which are incapable of resolution and thereby
present an irreconcilable barrier to the ability of the corporation to
function as is.
15. Plaintiffs' reasonable expectations that they would be able to
participate in the management and activities of their corporation, as
minority shareholders, have been thwarted since at least 1995.
16. Article IV of the LSA by-laws provides that the LSA shall compose
differences and disagreements among members of the community. Article VII,
section 9 of the NSA by-laws provides that any member of a Bahá'í community
may appeal from a decision of his LSA to the NSA.

Failure to Allow Inspection of Books and Records

17. The books and records of the corporation have been maintained in an
inaccurate and inequitable manner.
18. The year 2000 annual meeting showed a 10%, $10,000 discrepancy in the
corporate books.
19. In a letter dated September 3, 2000, named Plaintiff Deborah Buchhorn
informed the Local Spiritual Assembly that she desired to inspect their
financial books. Defendants refused.
20. Following mailing of the demand letter, the LSA offered to allow named
Plaintiff to inspect the books and records, but under conditions that the
Plaintiff deemed in bad faith.

Fraudulent Oppression and Prevention of Communications between Shareholders

21. On April 19, 1998, Defendant Trustees ordered named Plaintiff Deborah
Buchhorn to refrain from discussing her "issues" with anyone but Auxiliary
Board member Brent Poirier and the Local Spiritual Assembly. Plaintiff
complied and appealed to Brent Poirier and the National Spiritual Assembly,
who took no action. Defendant LSA has wrapped many of their dealings with
members in the cloak of secrecy in a like manner.

Electioneering

22. At the Annual Meeting Feast of 1999, Defendant Trustees fraudulently
rigged the election of Trustee Nelson Sapad by calling for applause for him
three times prior to an election of corporate officers. Plaintiff appealed
to the National Spiritual Assembly and Brent Poirier, who took no action.
23. Defendant Trustees or their agents fraudulently rigged the election of
Harry and Sondra Day, by introducing them and calling for applause moments
before an election of corporate officers.
24. Trustees do not ensure secret balloting at the Annual Meeting Feast.
The usual practice is not to use a ballot box, but for members to lay their
ballots on a plate or in a basket in plain sight of the election tellers.
Ms. Buchhorn appealed to Brent Poirier on at least one election. Mr.
Poirier responded by handling the collection basket himself.
25. In the member newsletter and prior to the annual election and during
the Annual Meeting Feast, Trustees have used scriptural quotes to draw
attention to persons serving on certain committees.

Fraudulent and Oppressive Behavior Relating to the TV Show "Spiritual
Reality"

26. Plaintiffs conceptualized and produced a TV show named "Spiritual
Reality." After 100 showings, during which Defendant Trustees only
complimented Plaintiffs, Defendant Trustees, fraudulently and with intent
to oppress, mandated major changes in the show. Plaintiffs complied and
appealed to the National Spiritual Assembly and Brent Poirier, who took no
action.
27. Defendant Trustees, fraudulently and with intent to oppress, ordered
Plaintiffs to "temporarily postpone" their television show, "Spiritual
Reality." Plaintiff complied, and Defendants never specifically informed
Plaintiffs what they had done to precipitate the arbitrary and capricious
termination. The effect of this order, namely the termination of the TV
show, violated the right of shareholders to communicate with other
shareholders.
28. Trustees fraudulently and under false pretences stated that the reasons
for termination would be fully discussed at a later meeting, at which
meeting those reasons were never discussed. Defendant Trustee Kambiz
Victory, employee of channel 41, knew or should have known that a
television program cannot be "temporarily postponed." Plaintiffs appealed
to the National Spiritual Assembly, who took no action.
29. Defendant Kambiz Victory, a Trustee, fraudulently and with intent to
oppress, told named Plaintiff Deborah Buchhorn in regards to her television
show that "Your teaching can have no effect because you are not in unity
with the Spiritual Assembly." Defendant knew that Ms. Buchhorn's
television show brought in 15% of the information requests during an
unrelated major regional advertising campaign by Defendants. Plaintiff
appealed to the National Spiritual Assembly, who took no action.
30. Defendant Trustees fraudulently and under false pretences set-up
Plaintiffs to a "confession" of their animosity towards Defendant Trustees.
Named Plaintiff appealed to the National Spiritual Assembly, who took no
action.

Other Oppression

31. As an act of individual initiative, named Plaintiff Deborah Buchhorn
organized a Bahá'í parade float for several years for the New Mexico State
Fair Parade. In 2000, Defendant Trustees convened a task force to organize
the parade float for that year. On August 22, 2000, approximately 19 days
before the parade, Defendant Trustees, fraudulently and with intent to
oppress, instructed Plaintiff Deborah Buchhorn to terminate her parade
float activities. A false reason for this termination was published in the
membership newsletter by Defendant Trustees, causing Plaintiff
embarrassment. Plaintiff complied, and Defendant never informed Plaintiff
as to the reason for that termination. Plaintiff appealed to the National
Spiritual Assembly and Brent Poirier, who took no action.
32. Defendant Trustees, fraudulently and with intent to oppress, ordered
Plaintiff Deborah Buchhorn to receive instruction on the Bahá'í Covenant.
Plaintiff complied and attended that "instruction," which in fact consisted
of three (3) hours of interrogation by Trustee Owen Creightney, and John
and Ok-Sun McHenry. It became apparent at this meeting that Trustee
Creightney had lied to the Trustees in order to oppress named Plaintiff.
Plaintiff appealed to the National Spiritual Assembly and Brent Poirier,
who took no action.
33. Defendant Trustees, fraudulently and with intent to oppress, ordered
named Plaintiff Deborah Buchhorn to resign from the Bahá'í gospel choir.
Plaintiff complied, and Defendant never informed Plaintiff as to the reason
for that termination. Plaintiff appealed to the National Spiritual
Assembly and Brent Poirier, who took no action.
34. Defendant Trustees, fraudulently and with intent to oppress, undermined
named Plaintiff Deborah Buchhorn's Saturday Night Coffee House and in
effect stopped her Coffee House. Defendant never informed Plaintiff as to
these circumstances. Plaintiff appealed to the National Spiritual Assembly
and Brent Poirier, who took no action.
35. Defendant Trustees, fraudulently and with intent to oppress, have
ordered numerous Bahá'ís to shun Plaintiff Deborah Buchhorn.
36. Defendant Trustee Kambiz Victory told a Plaintiff "I am the voice of
God in this community."

Libel

37. Defendant Trustees knowingly published false and defamatory information
about Plaintiffs in the Albuquerque Bahá'í newsletter, specifically
relating to the parade banner.

Unlawful Prevention of Communication between Shareholders

38. Defendant National Spiritual Assembly has the policy that Local
Spiritual Assemblies are responsible for reviewing pamphlets and
newsletters and materials that mention the Faith such as songs, play
scripts, souvenir items, and greeting cards, intended for publication or
distribution within their communities, whereas the National Spiritual
Assembly is responsible for review of those same materials intended for
nationwide publication.

CAUSES OF ACTION

Count I
39. Plaintiffs reallege and incorporate all previous paragraphs.
40. The Trustees of the Local Spiritual Assembly have repeatedly acted and
continue to act fraudulently towards the Plaintiffs.
41. Plaintiffs have suffered emotional damages thereby.

Count II
42. Plaintiffs reallege and incorporate all previous paragraphs.
43. The Trustees of the Local Spiritual Assembly libeled the named
Plaintiff.
44. Plaintiffs have suffered emotional damages thereby.

Count III
45. Plaintiffs reallege and incorporate all previous paragraphs.
46. The Trustees of the Local Spiritual Assembly have repeatedly failed to
act and continue to fail to act in good faith, which failure constitutes
fraud.
47. Plaintiffs have suffered emotional damages thereby.

Count IV
48. Plaintiffs reallege and incorporates all previous paragraphs.
49. The Trustees of the Local Spiritual Assembly have repeatedly failed to
act and continue to fail to act with the care an ordinary prudent person in
like position would exercise under similar circumstances, which failure
constitute fraud.50. Plaintiffs have suffered emotional damages thereby.

Count V
51. Plaintiffs reallege and incorporate all previous paragraphs.
52. The Trustees of the Local Spiritual Assembly have repeatedly failed to
act and continue to fail to act in a manner they reasonably believe to be
in the best interests of the corporation and its members, which failure
constitutes fraud.
53. Plaintiffs have suffered emotional damages thereby.

Count VI
54. Plaintiffs reallege and incorporate all previous paragraphs.
55. The Trustees have repeatedly failed their duty to compose differences
and disagreements with themselves and the members, in violation of their
by-laws, which failure constitutes fraud.
56. Plaintiffs have suffered emotional damages thereby.

Count VII
57. Plaintiffs reallege and incorporate all previous paragraphs.
58. The National Spiritual Assembly has repeatedly failed their duty to
hear appeals from Plaintiffs, in violation of their by-laws.
59. Plaintiffs have suffered emotional damages thereby.

Count VIII
60. Plaintiffs reallege and incorporate all previous paragraphs.
61. The literature review policies of the National and Local Spiritual
Assemblies violate the rights of corporate members to communicate with
other corporate members.
62. Plaintiffs have suffered emotional damages thereby.

Count IX
63. Plaintiffs reallege and incorporate all previous paragraphs.
64. The practice of the Local Spiritual Assembly to direct members not to
speak about their dealings with the LSA with other corporate members
violates the rights of corporate members to communicate with other
corporate members.
65. Plaintiffs have suffered emotional damages thereby.

JUDICIAL RELIEF

WHEREFORE, for these reasons, Plaintiffs request that this Court:
1. Declare that the Trustees acted fraudulently towards Plaintiffs;
2. Declare that Trustees libeled Plaintiffs;
3. Declare that the Trustees breached their corporate duties
towardsPlaintiffs;
4. Remove the Trustees from their positions and enjoin them from serving in
official Bahá'ís capacities for nineteen (19) years;
5. Remove the LSA Directors who are also Trustees;
6. Declare that the Local Spiritual Assembly violated members' rights to
inspect corporate books and records;
7. Compel Defendant LSA to retain an independent certified public
accountant to audit the books for the last two years;
8. Declare that Defendant LSA violated their corporate by-laws by failing
to compose differences and disagreements among members of the community;
6. Declare that the National Spiritual Assembly breached their duty of
hearing Plaintiffs' appeals;
7. Declare that the literature review policies of the Bahá'ís violate
United States common law as preventing corporate members from communicating
with other corporate members;
8. Enjoin Defendants National Spiritual Assembly and Local Spiritual
Assembly from enforcing their literature review policy;
9. Declare that the secrecy practices of the Local Spiritual Assembly
violate United States common law as preventing corporate members from
communicating with other corporate members;
10. Enjoin Defendant Local Spiritual Assembly from continuing their secrecy
practices;
11. Award compensatory damages from Defendants to Plaintiffs;
12. Award attorney's fees and costs to Plaintiffs;
13. Any other relief this Court deems appropriate.

Respectfully submitted,

___________________________
Yorgos D. Marinakis
Attorney for Plaintiffs
P.O. Box 45923
Rio Rancho, NM 87174
505-459-4664
877-430-9550 (fax)

Named Plaintiff's Verification

STATE OF NEW MEXICO )
) ss.
COUNTY OF BERNALILLO)

COMES NOW Deborah Buchhorn, and being duly sworn, states as follows:
1. I have read and understood the contents of this Complaint.
2. I have personal knowledge of the facts stated herein.
3. I attest to and verify their truth and
accuracy.__________________________
DEBORAH BUCHHORN
SWORN TO AND SUBSCRIBED before me this __ day of ______, 2001.
________________________
Notary Public

My Commission Expires:


Subj:	Re: LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL 3/2/2001
Date:	6/5/2001 8:42:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:	LDRS LFST Shahid
To:	Glayshf
CC:	LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry

Dear Mr. Glaysher,

Regarding your message posted at: Lifestyle>Spirituality>Baha'i Message Board>Announcements> 6/3/01 9:25 AM

From: "FG" <FG@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: AOL Censorship & Abuse of TOS rules by the fundamentalist Community "Leader"
Date: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:36 PM

Please note that my website does not attack the
bahai faith but reveals the extent to which fundamentalists
among our fellow bahais attack people who do not share
their literal-minded mindset.

It will be evident to honest and decent people that you
abuse your position and are merely attempting to finding
other strategems to falsely TOS me.

--
FG
www.FG.com
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.nbci.com/FG/index.htm

---
Subj: Signature Lines, etc.
Date: 3/6/2001 12:45:09 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: ldrslfstshahid@aol.com (LDRS LFST Shahid)
To: glaysherfj@aol.com

Dear friends,

Signature lines are permissible and even encouraged but these must comply
with the Spirituality Message Board Standards and AOL's Terms of Service.
The Spirituality message boards are dedicated to support and/or fellowship,
therefore websites aimed at attacking the Baha'i Faith should not be posted
here. Also, please avoid making short
"I agree" statements on the board. They tend to clutter the boards. Also,
try to avoid reposting entire messages in your responses.
LDRS LFST Shahid

Volunteer Message Board Leader

Baha'i Message Board

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From: "FG" <FG@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: AOL & Open Petition for a Bahai Reformation
Date: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:30 PM

FYI note Susan Maneck's link as signature file on AOL
which the present "Community Leader" permitted while
prohibitting mine.

Conclusion: as long as fellow fundamentalist fanatics
are posting them, it's permissible....

--
FG
www.FG.com
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.nbci.com/FG/index.htm

----
Subject: Baha'i Epochs
Date: 1/29/2001 2:46 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: Smaneck
Message-id: <20010129024623.05802.00003149@ng-cg1.aol.com>

Dear friends,

Earlier someone had asked about the various Baha'i Epochs. I was able to
locate the following article on this topic.

warmest, Susan

Epochs explained

(From Rodney Clarken's education list,
https://www-instruct.nmu.edu/education/rclarken/)

Since the House announced the Fifth Epoch of the Formative Age, I have had
several people ask about what it means and for background on the epochs.
Below is the best description I have come across and refers to references
where the House has explained earlier epochs.

Forwarded by Riaz Khadem via Shahla.

_____________

A number of the friends have inquired into the meaning of the Universal
House of Justice' announcement of the beginning of the Fifth Epoch of the
Formative Age of the Faith. While the full meaning of this announcement
will be revealed with time, it is instructive to read the description of the
previous epochs of the formative age as described by the House of Justice
itself in *Messages from the Universal House of Justice, 1963-1986.*

"Epoch" is a term used by the Beloved Guardian to describe
progressive stages in the evolution of the organic Baha'i community and
signal the maturation of its institutions, allowing the Faith to operate at
new levels and to initiate new functions. Here is a description of the
stages in the evolution of the Faith, using these epochs as demarcations of
maturation:

The Epochs of the Apostolic & The Heroic Age of the Dispensations of the Bab
and Baha'u'llah:

1844-1853: The Epoch of the Bab
1853-1892: The Epoch of Baha'u'llah
1892-1921: The Epoch of Abdul-Baha

The Epochs of the Formative Age of the Dispensation of Baha'u'llah:

1921-1944/6: The First Epoch
Birth and the primary stages in the erection of the framework of the
Administrative Order of the Faith, with the formation of local and national
institutions in all five continents. Began with naming of Shoghi Effendi as
the Guardian of the Cause, his careful instruction of the community in the
principles of Baha'i administration, and led to the inception of the First
Seven Year Plan (1937-1944) of the North American Baha'i community, the
first
systematic teaching campaign in the history of the Faith, which inaugerated
the execution of the Tablets of the Divine Plan.

1946-1963: The Second Epoch
Under the guidance of Shoghi Effendi, involved the formulation of a
succession of national teaching plans designed to facilitate the development
of the Faith beyond the confines of the Western Hemisphere and the continent
of Europe. Marked by the inception of the second Seven Year Plan in America
(1946-1953) and the worldwide Ten Year Crusade (1953-1963), involving twelve
national plans, and achieved the appointment of the Hands of the Cause, the
appointment of Auxiliary Boards, and the establishment of the International
Baha'i Council, concluding in the election of the Universal House of
Justice.

1963-1986: The Third Epoch
Led by the Universal House of Justice, witnessed the emergence of the Faith
from obscurity, the initiation of activities designed to foster social and
economic development, the creation of the institution of the Continental
Boards of Counsellors and the International Teaching Centre, the appointment
of assistants to Auxiliary Board Members, and the construction and
occupation by the Universal House of Justice of its Seat on Mt. Carmel.
Launched three
worldwide plans: the Nine Year Plan (1964-1973) the Five Year Plan
(1974-1979) and the Seven Year Plan (1979-1986).

1986-2001: The Fourth Epoch
Witnessed the formulation of the specific goals for each national community
through consultation of the National Spiritual Assemblies and the
Continental Boards of Counsellors. Began with the Six Year Plan (1986-1992),
and continued through the Holy Year (1992-1993) to the Three Year Plan
(1993-1996), the Four Year Plan (1996-2000) and the Twelve Month Plan
(2000-2001).

2001- : The Fifth Epoch
Via internalizing and integrating the lessons and experiences of
systematization witnessed an unparalleled unity of thought in the
institution of the Counsellors. Saw the completion of the Arc on Mt. Carmel,
a change in the Baha'i culture due to the emergence of training institutes,
and the synchronization of institutional collaboration with the external
processes toward world unity.

**All the Epochs are described in length in *Messages from the Universal
House of Justice 1963-1986,* Pgs 710 -716 Para 451.1 - 451.14

As we reflect upon the significance of this Fifth Epoch, we may wish to
contemplate what marvels will mark this period as the Baha'i community
extends to its grassroots-at the level of the Local Spiritual Assemblies and
the Auxiliary Board Members and their assistants in a united, systematic
process of growth-the collaboration between the institutions of the rulers
and learned in the training institutes which have contributed to a dramatic
change in
the culture of the Baha'i community around the world.

warmest, Susan

https://www.susanmaneck.com

From: "FG" <FG@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: AOL & Open Petition for a Bahai Reformation
Date: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:25 PM

The latest duplicities:

Subj: Signature Lines, etc.
Date: 3/6/2001 12:45:09 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: ldrslfstshahid@aol.com (LDRS LFST Shahid)
To: glaysherfj@aol.com

Dear friends,

Signature lines are permissible and even encouraged but these must comply
with the Spirituality Message Board Standards and AOL's Terms of Service.
The Spirituality message boards are dedicated to support and/or fellowship,
therefore websites aimed at attacking the Baha'i Faith should not be posted
here. Also, please avoid making short
"I agree" statements on the board. They tend to clutter the boards. Also,
try to avoid reposting entire messages in your responses.
LDRS LFST Shahid

Volunteer Message Board Leader

Baha'i Message Board

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"FG" <f_glaysher@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ta1p8d80p8re6b@corp.supernews.com...
> FYI:
>
> Subj: Your Post on the Baha'i Message Board
> Date: 2/27/2001 1:42:17 AM Eastern Standard Time
> From: LDRS LFST Shahid
> To: GlaysherFJ
> CC: LDRS LFST Jerry, LDRS LFST Mgr
>
>
> Dear Mr. Fred Glaysher,
>
>
> Regarding your message posted at: Lifestyle>Spirituality>Baha'i Message
> Board>Questions to the Community Leaders>2/26/01 7:36 AM
>
> To avoid further disruption to the message board, some of your posts have
> been removed. Please review Keyword: TOS and the Spirituality Message
Board
> Guidelines for more information on what is appropriate in our community.
>
> Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been
> submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot
> respond to replies. Therefore, if you have any comments or questions
please
> send mail to TOSGeneral.
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> LDRS LFST Shahid
> Volunteer Message Board Leader
> Baha'i Message Board
>
> Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
> Date: 2/26/01 7:36 AM Eastern Standard Time
> From: GlaysherFJ
> Message-id: <20010226073616.04001.00000011@ng-mi1.aol.com>
>
>
> Dear Community Leader:
>
> Your comments are quite false and misleading, in my opinion.
>
> The uhj has become an intolerant fundamentalist institution, distorting
> Baha'u'llah's most basic Teachings regarding freedom of speech and
> conscience. It uses tyrannical and deceitful definitions of what
constitutes
> "loving consultation" to encourage the lowest elements among our fellow
> Bahais to attack and malign others in the hope of driving them into
silence
> and submission, indeed, even of driving OUT of the Bahai Faith.... Those
> wishing to
> confirm these claims need only look at the threats currently being made
> against my LIFE by a Bahai fundamentalist on talk.religion.bahai, easily
> accessible from AOL by Keyword Newsgroups.
>
> Do you encourage and support threatening the very lives of your fellow
> Bahais who do not share your intolerant fundamentalism?
>
> In such an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, many Bahais and ex-bahais,
> even non-bahais, may very well find it wise to sign my Open Petition for a
> Bahai Reformation with a pseudonym.
>
> --
> FG
> www.FG.com
> The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
> https://members.nbci.com/FG/index.htm
>
>
> "FG" <FG@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:97djkn$oitbb$1@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de...
> > FYI
> >
> > ------
> > Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
> > Date: 2/26/2001 7:36 AM Eastern Standard Time
> > From: GlaysherFJ
> > Message-id: <20010226073616.04001.00000011@ng-mi1.aol.com>
> >
> >
> > Dear Community Leader:
> >
> > Your comments are quite false and misleading, in my opinion.
> >
> > The uhj has become an intolerant fundamentalist institution, distorting
> > Baha'u'llah's most basic Teachings regarding freedom of speech and
> > conscience. It uses tyrannical and deceitful definitions of what
> constitutes
> > "loving consultation" to encourage the lowest elements among our fellow
> > Bahais to attack and malign others in the hope of driving them into
> silence
> > and submission, indeed, even of driving OUT of the Bahai Faith....
> >
> > Those wishing to
> > confirm these claims need only look at the threats currently being made
> > against my LIFE by a Bahai fundamentalist on talk.religion.bahai, easily
> > accessible from AOL by Keyword Newsgroups.
> >
> > Do you encourage and support threatening the very lives of your fellow
> > Bahais who do not share your intolerant fundamentalism?
> >
> > In such an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, many Bahais and
ex-bahais,
> > even non-bahais, may very well find it wise to sign my Open Petition for
a
> > Bahai Reformation with a pseudonym.
> >
> > --
> > FG
> > www.FG.com
> > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
> > https://members.nbci.com/FG/index.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > >Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
> > >Date: 2/20/2001 11:32 AM Eastern Standard Time
> > >From: LDRS LFST Shahid
> > >Message-id: <20010220113246.05728.00003460@ng-md1.aol.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >>Note in Announcements that I would allow you to use a pseudonym if
> > >>you're too afraid of the intolerant fundamentalism of the universal
> > >>house of "justice" to state your views in an open and candid
manner....
> > >
> > >Dear Mr. Glaysher,
> > >
> > >The Universal House of Justice, which is neither fundamentalist nor
> > >intolerant, is well aware of my views already. I do not hesitate to
> express
> > >them to that body in a spirit of loving consultation instead of
pressure
> > >politicking. Therefore, I do not require either a pseudonym or your
> > petitions
> > >to do so.
> > >
> > >Besides, signing a petition with a pseudonym renders it useless anyhow.
> > >
> > >
> > >LDRS LFST Shahid
> > >Volunteer Message Board Leader
> > >Baha'i Message Board
> > >

From: "FG" <f_glaysher@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: AOL & Open Petition for a Bahai Reformation
Date: Saturday, March 03, 2001 7:37 AM

FYI:

Subj: Your Post on the Baha'i Message Board
Date: 2/27/2001 1:42:17 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: LDRS LFST Shahid
To: GlaysherFJ
CC: LDRS LFST Jerry, LDRS LFST Mgr

Dear Mr. Fred Glaysher,

Regarding your message posted at: Lifestyle>Spirituality>Baha'i Message
Board>Questions to the Community Leaders>2/26/01 7:36 AM

To avoid further disruption to the message board, some of your posts have
been removed. Please review Keyword: TOS and the Spirituality Message Board
Guidelines for more information on what is appropriate in our community.

Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been
submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.

Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot
respond to replies. Therefore, if you have any comments or questions please
send mail to TOSGeneral.

Regards,

LDRS LFST Shahid
Volunteer Message Board Leader
Baha'i Message Board

Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
Date: 2/26/01 7:36 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: GlaysherFJ
Message-id: <20010226073616.04001.00000011@ng-mi1.aol.com>

Dear Community Leader:

Your comments are quite false and misleading, in my opinion.

The uhj has become an intolerant fundamentalist institution, distorting
Baha'u'llah's most basic Teachings regarding freedom of speech and
conscience. It uses tyrannical and deceitful definitions of what constitutes
"loving consultation" to encourage the lowest elements among our fellow
Bahais to attack and malign others in the hope of driving them into silence
and submission, indeed, even of driving OUT of the Bahai Faith.... Those
wishing to
confirm these claims need only look at the threats currently being made
against my LIFE by a Bahai fundamentalist on talk.religion.bahai, easily
accessible from AOL by Keyword Newsgroups.

Do you encourage and support threatening the very lives of your fellow
Bahais who do not share your intolerant fundamentalism?

In such an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, many Bahais and ex-bahais,
even non-bahais, may very well find it wise to sign my Open Petition for a
Bahai Reformation with a pseudonym.

--
FG
www.FG.com
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.nbci.com/FG/index.htm

"FG" <FG@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:97djkn$oitbb$1@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de...
> FYI
>
> ------
> Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
> Date: 2/26/2001 7:36 AM Eastern Standard Time
> From: GlaysherFJ
> Message-id: <20010226073616.04001.00000011@ng-mi1.aol.com>
>
>
> Dear Community Leader:
>
> Your comments are quite false and misleading, in my opinion.
>
> The uhj has become an intolerant fundamentalist institution, distorting
> Baha'u'llah's most basic Teachings regarding freedom of speech and
> conscience. It uses tyrannical and deceitful definitions of what
constitutes
> "loving consultation" to encourage the lowest elements among our fellow
> Bahais to attack and malign others in the hope of driving them into
silence
> and submission, indeed, even of driving OUT of the Bahai Faith....
>
> Those wishing to
> confirm these claims need only look at the threats currently being made
> against my LIFE by a Bahai fundamentalist on talk.religion.bahai, easily
> accessible from AOL by Keyword Newsgroups.
>
> Do you encourage and support threatening the very lives of your fellow
> Bahais who do not share your intolerant fundamentalism?
>
> In such an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, many Bahais and ex-bahais,
> even non-bahais, may very well find it wise to sign my Open Petition for a
> Bahai Reformation with a pseudonym.
>
> --
> FG
> www.FG.com
> The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
> https://members.nbci.com/FG/index.htm
>
>
>
> >Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
> >Date: 2/20/2001 11:32 AM Eastern Standard Time
> >From: LDRS LFST Shahid
> >Message-id: <20010220113246.05728.00003460@ng-md1.aol.com>
> >
> >
> >>Note in Announcements that I would allow you to use a pseudonym if
> >>you're too afraid of the intolerant fundamentalism of the universal
> >>house of "justice" to state your views in an open and candid manner....
> >
> >Dear Mr. Glaysher,
> >
> >The Universal House of Justice, which is neither fundamentalist nor
> >intolerant, is well aware of my views already. I do not hesitate to
express
> >them to that body in a spirit of loving consultation instead of pressure
> >politicking. Therefore, I do not require either a pseudonym or your
> petitions
> >to do so.
> >
> >Besides, signing a petition with a pseudonym renders it useless anyhow.
> >
> >
> >LDRS LFST Shahid
> >Volunteer Message Board Leader
> >Baha'i Message Board
> >
> >

From: "FG" <f_glaysher@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: AOL & Open Petition for a Bahai Reformation
Date: Saturday, March 03, 2001 7:35 AM

FYI:

Subj: Your Post on the Baha'i Message Board
Date: 2/27/2001 1:42:17 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: LDRS LFST Shahid
To: GlaysherFJ
CC: LDRS LFST Jerry, LDRS LFST Mgr

Dear Mr. Fred Glaysher,

Regarding your message posted at: Lifestyle>Spirituality>Baha'i Message
Board>Questions to the Community Leaders>2/26/01 7:36 AM

To avoid further disruption to the message board, some of your posts have
been removed. Please review Keyword: TOS and the Spirituality Message Board
Guidelines for more information on what is appropriate in our community.

Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been
submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.

Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot
respond to replies. Therefore, if you have any comments or questions please
send mail to TOSGeneral.

Regards,

LDRS LFST Shahid
Volunteer Message Board Leader
Baha'i Message Board

Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
Date: 2/26/01 7:36 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: GlaysherFJ
Message-id: <20010226073616.04001.00000011@ng-mi1.aol.com>

Dear Community Leader:

Your comments are quite false and misleading, in my opinion.

The uhj has become an intolerant fundamentalist institution, distorting
Baha'u'llah's most basic Teachings regarding freedom of speech and
conscience. It uses tyrannical and deceitful definitions of what constitutes
"loving consultation" to encourage the lowest elements among our fellow
Bahais to attack and malign others in the hope of driving them into silence
and submission, indeed, even of driving OUT of the Bahai Faith.... Those
wishing to
confirm these claims need only look at the threats currently being made
against my LIFE by a Bahai fundamentalist on talk.religion.bahai, easily
accessible from AOL by Keyword Newsgroups.

Do you encourage and support threatening the very lives of your fellow
Bahais who do not share your intolerant fundamentalism?

In such an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, many Bahais and ex-bahais,
even non-bahais, may very well find it wise to sign my Open Petition for a
Bahai Reformation with a pseudonym.

--
FG
www.FG.com
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.nbci.com/FG/index.htm

"FG" <FG@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:97djkn$oitbb$1@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de...
> FYI
>
> ------
> Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
> Date: 2/26/2001 7:36 AM Eastern Standard Time
> From: GlaysherFJ
> Message-id: <20010226073616.04001.00000011@ng-mi1.aol.com>
>
>
> Dear Community Leader:
>
> Your comments are quite false and misleading, in my opinion.
>
> The uhj has become an intolerant fundamentalist institution, distorting
> Baha'u'llah's most basic Teachings regarding freedom of speech and
> conscience. It uses tyrannical and deceitful definitions of what
constitutes
> "loving consultation" to encourage the lowest elements among our fellow
> Bahais to attack and malign others in the hope of driving them into
silence
> and submission, indeed, even of driving OUT of the Bahai Faith....
>
> Those wishing to
> confirm these claims need only look at the threats currently being made
> against my LIFE by a Bahai fundamentalist on talk.religion.bahai, easily
> accessible from AOL by Keyword Newsgroups.
>
> Do you encourage and support threatening the very lives of your fellow
> Bahais who do not share your intolerant fundamentalism?
>
> In such an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, many Bahais and ex-bahais,
> even non-bahais, may very well find it wise to sign my Open Petition for a
> Bahai Reformation with a pseudonym.
>
> --
> FG
> www.FG.com
> The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
> https://members.nbci.com/FG/index.htm
>
>
>
> >Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
> >Date: 2/20/2001 11:32 AM Eastern Standard Time
> >From: LDRS LFST Shahid
> >Message-id: <20010220113246.05728.00003460@ng-md1.aol.com>
> >
> >
> >>Note in Announcements that I would allow you to use a pseudonym if
> >>you're too afraid of the intolerant fundamentalism of the universal
> >>house of "justice" to state your views in an open and candid manner....
> >
> >Dear Mr. Glaysher,
> >
> >The Universal House of Justice, which is neither fundamentalist nor
> >intolerant, is well aware of my views already. I do not hesitate to
express
> >them to that body in a spirit of loving consultation instead of pressure
> >politicking. Therefore, I do not require either a pseudonym or your
> petitions
> >to do so.
> >
> >Besides, signing a petition with a pseudonym renders it useless anyhow.
> >
> >
> >LDRS LFST Shahid
> >Volunteer Message Board Leader
> >Baha'i Message Board
> >

From: "FG" <FG@hotmail.com>
Subject: AOL & Open Petition for a Bahai Reformation
Date: Monday, February 26, 2001 7:55 AM

FYI

------
Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
Date: 2/26/2001 7:36 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: GlaysherFJ
Message-id: <20010226073616.04001.00000011@ng-mi1.aol.com>

Dear Community Leader:

Your comments are quite false and misleading, in my opinion.

The uhj has become an intolerant fundamentalist institution, distorting
Baha'u'llah's most basic Teachings regarding freedom of speech and
conscience. It uses tyrannical and deceitful definitions of what constitutes
"loving consultation" to encourage the lowest elements among our fellow
Bahais to attack and malign others in the hope of driving them into silence
and submission, indeed, even of driving OUT of the Bahai Faith....

Those wishing to
confirm these claims need only look at the threats currently being made
against my LIFE by a Bahai fundamentalist on talk.religion.bahai, easily
accessible from AOL by Keyword Newsgroups.

Do you encourage and support threatening the very lives of your fellow
Bahais who do not share your intolerant fundamentalism?

In such an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, many Bahais and ex-bahais,
even non-bahais, may very well find it wise to sign my Open Petition for a
Bahai Reformation with a pseudonym.

--
FG
www.FG.com
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.nbci.com/FG/index.htm

>Subject: Re: A Question to the Community Leaders....
>Date: 2/20/2001 11:32 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: LDRS LFST Shahid
>Message-id: <20010220113246.05728.00003460@ng-md1.aol.com>
>
>
>>Note in Announcements that I would allow you to use a pseudonym if
>>you're too afraid of the intolerant fundamentalism of the universal
>>house of "justice" to state your views in an open and candid manner....
>
>Dear Mr. Glaysher,
>
>The Universal House of Justice, which is neither fundamentalist nor
>intolerant, is well aware of my views already. I do not hesitate to express
>them to that body in a spirit of loving consultation instead of pressure
>politicking. Therefore, I do not require either a pseudonym or your
petitions
>to do so.
>
>Besides, signing a petition with a pseudonym renders it useless anyhow.
>
>
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>Volunteer Message Board Leader
>Baha'i Message Board
>
>

The Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

This file contains extensive documentation of bahai censorship on AOL. Related material may also be found at Maneck

Subject: Re: URLs Date: 12/1/2001 9:22 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011201102255.14937.00000202@mb-fr.aol.com>

Further examples of Ms. Maneck's unfairness on AOL, with only her fundamentalist website allowed:

>and as such should be investigated and studied by scientists. (31 December >1937, to an individual) > > >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com >

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

FG The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist. I'd be very careful. >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com >

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

FG The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience FG Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > >Terrorist cells around >>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad. > >I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11. > >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

FG The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Community Leader concealing evidence of her abusing TOS rules Date: 11/30/2001 6:38 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011130073827.09100.00000004@mb-mv.aol.com>

Shahid, Ms. Maneck, is removing messages of hers in which she spams her URL all over AOL bahai messages boards while suppressing and TOSing fellow bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist views.

I ask the TOSGeneral to please ask her to desist or replace her who someone who can be a fair and impartial community leader. FG Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Open Letter to TOSGeneral Date: 11/30/2001 7:44 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011130084420.09100.00000016@mb-mv.aol.com>

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself, and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan, discusses related issues in his journal article "The Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997": https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to fundamentalist sites and events....

FG The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"? Date: 11/30/2001 8:16 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011130091605.09100.00000022@mb-mv.aol.com>

TOSGeneral:

Please find below yet another example of Ms. Maneck, Shahid, the bahai message boards community leader, posting her own URL while TOSing anyone who posts URLs to more liberal bahai sites.

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself, and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan, discusses related issues in his journal article "The Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997": https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to fundamentalist sites and events....

FG The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Disagreements with TOS and/or community guidelines Date: 12/1/2001 9:26 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011201102602.14937.00000203@mb-fr.aol.com>

You're making an utterly false appeareance here of fairness and reasonableness. Anyone remotely familiar with your history of censorship and coercion of conscience on AOL will not fail to recognize what you're really doing here.

FG Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress my posts re talk.religion.bahai? Date: 12/1/2001 9:38 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011201103847.14937.00000205@mb-fr.aol.com>

Your suggestion here is completely bogus. I have not posted the same message. Your distorting and misrepresenting my posts in order to suit your fundamentalist motives and justify your wish to fraudulently TOS me. You're obviously playing to the choir, the TOSGeneral in this case.

The repeated posting of your URL is okay, though, of course....

FG Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

The community leader regularly slanders me and allows others to as well. As a bahai for over 25 years, my bahai ID card may be found on my website at The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship

This is merely one more example of her not fairly fulfilling her AOL duties.

FG

bahai message boards> Questions to Community Leaders> Proselytizing

The Baha'i Technique

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Cf. K. Paul Johnson's general reflections on coercive techniques

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Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck Date: 12/19/2001 1:57 AM Eastern Standard Time From: Smaneck Message-id: <20011219015744.26000.00001315@mb-md.aol.com>

Well, well, Freddy, I see you've made an interesting bed-fellow with "Death to Baha'is" Muslim militant, Mr. Madhi.

And you've been trying to persuade people your crusade is against fundamentalism.

Try and keep the white powder off the board though, would you? warmest, Susan

https://www.susanmaneck.com

Subj: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i Date: 12/23/2001 3:30:51 AM Eastern Standard Time From: LDRS LFST Shahid To: Glaysh112001 CC: LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry

Dear Member,

Regarding your messages posted at: Baha'i Message Boards

To avoid further disruption to the message board, your posts have been removed. Please review Keyword: Message Board Product Guidelines and Keyword: Spirituality Message Board Standards for more information on what is appropriate in our community.

Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.

Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot respond to replies. Please address any questions or comments to LDRS LFST Mgr.

Regards,

LDRS LFST Shahid Volunteer Message Board Host AOL Lifestyles

Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL Date: 12/19/2001 7:56 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011219085618.01592.00000009@mb-ch.aol.com>

Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, Ask the Staff goes around Maneck as well.

I urge everyone to realize it's difficult to get AOL's attention but it can be done!!! Persist!

FG Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: How to Report Maneck to AOL Date: 12/10/2001 6:45 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011210074556.11242.00002825@mb-fi.aol.com>

Those tired of Maneck posting her URL should see the relevant thread at Question to Community Leaders. Or call and complain at 800-827-6364.

Also Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, and then Ask the Staff, works well too. It goes over Maneck's head, as I was told on the phone.

Incidentally, when you email the TOSGeneral it goes directly to Maneck, nobody else, which is again why you have to go around her now if you're tired of her manipulating TOS rules and employing her double standards on many fronts.

As a bahai for over 25 years, I'm very tired of her dishonest manipulation of AOL and wish AOL would replace her with an honest person who fairly allows all views to be heard.

FG Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: When is it o.k. not to forgive some one.according to the writings? Date: 12/13/2001 6:04 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011213070458.26004.00000008@mb-md.aol.com>

Subject: Re: URLs
Date: 12/1/2001 9:22 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011201102255.14937.00000202@mb-fr.aol.com>

Further examples of Ms. Maneck's unfairness on AOL, with only her
fundamentalist website allowed:

>and as such should be investigated and
studied by scientists. (31 December
>1937, to an individual)
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist.
I'd be very careful.
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
> >Terrorist cells around
>>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad.
>
>I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11.
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Community Leader concealing evidence of her abusing TOS rules
Date: 11/30/2001 6:38 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011130073827.09100.00000004@mb-mv.aol.com>

Shahid, Ms. Maneck, is removing messages of hers in which she spams her URL
all over AOL bahai messages boards while suppressing and TOSing fellow bahais
like myself who do not share her fundamentalist views.

I ask the TOSGeneral to please ask her to desist or replace her who someone
who can be a fair and impartial community leader.
FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Open Letter to TOSGeneral
Date: 11/30/2001 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011130084420.09100.00000016@mb-mv.aol.com>

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?
Date: 11/30/2001 8:16 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011130091605.09100.00000022@mb-mv.aol.com>

Please find below yet another example of Ms. Maneck, Shahid, the bahai message
boards community leader, posting her own URL while TOSing anyone who posts
URLs to more liberal bahai sites.

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

FG
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Disagreements with TOS and/or community guidelines
Date: 12/1/2001 9:26 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011201102602.14937.00000203@mb-fr.aol.com>

You're making an utterly false appeareance here of fairness and
reasonableness. Anyone remotely familiar with your history of censorship and
coercion of conscience on AOL will not fail to recognize what you're really
doing here.

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress my posts re talk.religion.bahai?
Date: 12/1/2001 9:38 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011201103847.14937.00000205@mb-fr.aol.com>

Your suggestion here is completely bogus. I have not posted the same message.
Your distorting and misrepresenting my posts in order to suit your
fundamentalist motives and justify your wish to fraudulently TOS me. You're
obviously playing to the choir, the TOSGeneral in this case.

FG
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

The community leader regularly slanders me and allows others to as well. As a
bahai for over 25 years, my bahai ID card may be found on my website at The
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship

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This document at

--
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck
Date: 12/19/2001 1:57 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: Smaneck
Message-id: <20011219015744.26000.00001315@mb-md.aol.com>

Well, well, Freddy, I see you've made an interesting bed-fellow with "Death
to Baha'is" Muslim militant, Mr. Madhi.

And you've been trying to persuade people your crusade is against
fundamentalism.

Try and keep the white powder off the board though, would you?
warmest, Susan

Subj: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i
Date: 12/23/2001 3:30:51 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: LDRS LFST Shahid
To: Glaysh112001
CC: LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry

To avoid further disruption to the message board, your posts have been
removed. Please review Keyword: Message Board Product Guidelines and Keyword:
Spirituality Message Board Standards for more information on what is
appropriate in our community.

Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted
to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.

Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot respond
to replies. Please address any questions or comments to LDRS LFST Mgr.

LDRS LFST Shahid
Volunteer Message Board Host
AOL Lifestyles

Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL
Date: 12/19/2001 7:56 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011219085618.01592.00000009@mb-ch.aol.com>

I urge everyone to realize it's difficult to get AOL's attention but it can be
done!!! Persist!

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
Subject: How to Report Maneck to AOL
Date: 12/10/2001 6:45 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011210074556.11242.00002825@mb-fi.aol.com>

Those tired of Maneck posting her URL should see the relevant thread at
Question to Community Leaders. Or call and complain at 800-827-6364.

Also Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, and then Ask the Staff, works well
too. It goes over Maneck's head, as I was told on the phone.

Incidentally, when you email the TOSGeneral it goes directly to Maneck, nobody
else, which is again why you have to go around her now if you're tired of her
manipulating TOS rules and employing her double standards on many fronts.

As a bahai for over 25 years, I'm very tired of her dishonest manipulation of
AOL and wish AOL would replace her with an honest person who fairly allows all
views to be heard.

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: When is it o.k. not to forgive some one.according to the
writings?
Date: 12/13/2001 6:04 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011213070458.26004.00000008@mb-md.aol.com>

>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL
Date: 12/13/2001 6:06 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011213070646.26004.00000011@mb-md.aol.com>

>Gee, that's news to me.
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Sharing Knowledge
Date: 12/15/2001 7:02 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011215080235.12941.00000208@mb-cu.aol.com>

>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL
Date: 12/19/2001 7:56 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011219085618.01592.00000009@mb-ch.aol.com>

I urge everyone to realize it's difficult to get AOL's attention but it can be
done!!! Persist!

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL
Date: 12/19/2001 3:07 PM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011219160728.06255.00000146@mb-mq.aol.com>

We can also snail mail AOL with a complaint about Maneck's fundamentalist
double standard or whatever. Here's the address:

AOL Customer Service
PO Box 10810
Herdon, VA 20170

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Sticks and stones...a few lizard tails...some gizzards...and
dinner is ready!
Date: 12/10/2001 7:12 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011210081226.11242.00002830@mb-fi.aol.com>

>Gee, where can I get that clock?
>warmest, Susan
>
>https://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Those tired of Maneck's double standard in this regard should see my note at
Announcements.

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Sticks and stones...
Date: 12/10/2001 7:13 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011210081359.11242.00002831@mb-fi.aol.com>

FG
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Why brainwashed Baha'is don't trust Prof. Juan Cole anymore
Date: 12/11/2001 6:46 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011211074644.12731.00001739@mb-cu.aol.com>