Subject: Self-censorship: SRB 7-13-97
From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
Date: 1997/07/14
Message-ID: <33CA1EC1.3E58@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
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[I don't have time to play all the games soc.religion.bahai
is given to.... Judge for yourself. I believe they've used
trivial pretexts here to prevent me from responding properly
to messages posted on srb. It should also be noted Bohnoff
apparently self-censored what she emailed to me, or srb
hacked away at her original message to me which was emailed
to srb simultaneously and from which I responded sending it
to srb.... If you can't beat me, wear 'em down seems to be
the approach.]
Subject:
Re: Resubmission: Bahai "art"
Date:
Fri, 11 Jul 1997 22:50:45 -0500
From:
smsmith@cybertrails.com (S. Michele Smith)
To:
<FG@hotmail.com>
CC:
"Baha'i SRB Moderators" <srb-mods@bcca.org>
Dear Mr. Glaysher,
I am returning this resubmission to you unposted as it still contains
materials that were deleted by the author from the post to which you are
responding. The post that appeared on srb had the last paragraph
deleted.
As I do not have a "backlog of submissions to censor my way through" it
took no time to review the week's postings and verify that the entirety
of
the original message was not, in fact, posted. Perhaps you have
mistakenly
confused your private e-mail with that of srb. What you and Ms. Bohnoff
say
to each other privately does not always appear in full on srb.
Therefore, I
am requesting that you edit your response accordingly. Below you will
find
a copy of the entire message as it was posted to srb. If you will check
it
against what you have submitted, you will see the difference.
Thank you for your understanding in this matter.
Sincerely,
S. Michele Smith, co-moderator
soc.religion.bahai
srb-mods@bcca.org
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From: Maya Kaathryn Bohnhoff <syntax@oro.net>
To: S. Michele Smith <smsmith@cybertrails.com>
Subject: Re: Baha'i Arts Forum
Date: Wednesday, July 09, 1997 7:11 PM
>
> FG wrote:
>
> > There is no art allowed in the Bahai Faith.... only propaganda....
> > what passes for "art" is really only the crudest banalities
> > permitted....
> >
> > --
> > FG
> > UseNet: alt.religion.bahai
> Freddie,
As a musician and a writer, I must take exception to your
diatribe.
The Faith has done nothing but free me as an artist rather
than circumscribe. It has allowed me to approach old
subjects with new viewpoint and vigor and has brought a
passion to my work that often surprises even me.
While I have had individual Baha'is tell me that my rock oriented
music wasn't Baha'i or that one shouldn't sing of Baha'u'llah
in the terms one usually reserves for a lover, or that the
characters in my stories shouldn't use profanity because
Baha'is shouldn't use profanity, I am bright enough to understand
that those were individual opinions, like yours, and are not
expressive of Baha'i doctrine. Besides, we all know what they
say about opinions, don't we? Like certain anatomical
features, everybody has one.
Abdul-Baha says our thought is our reality. Your thought and
your reality are apparently very bitter. You have my sympathy.
But don't thrust your reality at me and expect me to accept it
as mine or accept it without argument. Indeed, I have to ask why
you find it necessary to impose your anger and angst on others
at all.
The art that comes out of true faith is not propaganda, but an
exploration of possibilities. I will explore the possibilities
for myself and mankind in general as my faith dictates and
neither you, with your cynical bluster, nor those who kindly
offer the opinion that there is a "form" for Baha'i art
will stop that exploration.
+----------------------------------------+
| Maya Kaathryn Bohnhoff syntax@oro.net |
+----------------------------------------+
| "Nothing have I seen but that I |
| perceived God within it, God before it,|
| and God after it." - the Imam Husayn |
+----------------------------------------+
--
+----------------------------------------+
| Maya Kaathryn Bohnhoff syntax@oro.net |
+----------------------------------------+
| "Nothing have I seen but that I |
| perceived God within it, God before it,|
| and God after it." - the Imam Husayn |
+----------------------------------------+
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> From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
> To: srb-mods@bcca.org
> Cc: FG@hotmail.com
> Subject: Resubmission: Bahai "art"
> Date: Friday, July 11, 1997 5:54 AM
>
> ubject:
> Re: More Bahai "art"
> Date:
> Thu, 10 Jul 1997 23:39:27 -0500
> From:
> smsmith@cybertrails.com (S. Michele Smith)
> To:
> <FG@hotmail.com>
> CC:
> "Baha'i SRB Moderators" <srb-mods@bcca.org>
>
>
> Dear Mr. Glaysher,
>
> Thank you for your submission to soc.religion.bahai. However, it is
> being
> returned to you unposted as it is obviously a response to a private
> message, the entire contents of which were not posted to this newsgroup.
> In
> future, if you would take the time to read what is and is not posted to
> the
> newsgroup and respond accordingly, it would be appreciated.
>
> I JUST READ THIS MESSAGE ONLINE. I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE CONFUSED
> BY THE BACKLOG OF SUBMISSIONS YOU HAVE TO CENSOR YOUR WAY
> THROUGH.... I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU'D ALLOW ME THE
> COURTESY OF A RESPONSE.
>
> Sincerely,
> S. Michele Smith, co-moderator
> soc.religion.bahai
> srb-mods@bcca.org
>
> ----------
> From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
> To: srb@bcca.org
> Cc: FG@hotmail.com
> Subject: More Bahai "art"
> Date: Thursday, July 10, 1997 6:17 AM
>
>
> BEGIN POSTING:--------------
>
> Maya Kaathryn Bohnhoff wrote:
> >
> > FG wrote:
> >
> > > There is no art allowed in the Bahai Faith.... only propaganda....
> > > what passes for "art" is really only the crudest banalities
> > > permitted....
> > >
> > > --
> > > FG
> > > UseNet: alt.religion.bahai
> >
> > Freddie,
> > As a musician and a writer, I must take exception to your
> > diatribe.
> >
> > The Faith has done nothing but free me as an artist rather
> > than circumscribe. It has allowed me to approach old
> > subjects with new viewpoint and vigor and has brought a
> > passion to my work that often surprises even me.
> >
> > While I have had individual Baha'is tell me that my rock oriented
> > music wasn't Baha'i or that one shouldn't sing of Baha'u'llah
> > in the terms one usually reserves for a lover, or that the
> > characters in my stories shouldn't use profanity because
> > Baha'is shouldn't use profanity, I am bright enough to understand
> > that those were individual opinions, like yours, and are not
> > expressive of Baha'i doctrine. Besides, we all know what they
> > say about opinions, don't we? Like certain anatomical
> > features, everybody has one.
> >
> > Abdul-Baha says our thought is our reality. Your thought and
> > your reality are apparently very bitter. You have my sympathy.
> > But don't thrust your reality at me and expect me to accept it
> > as mine or accept it without argument. Indeed, I have to ask why
> > you find it necessary to impose your anger and angst on others
> > at all.
>
> The idea that our thought is our reality is a very old one,
> preceding Abdul-Baha by several centuries at least.... Found,
> for instance, in medieval Xian theology.... It's precisely this
> idea that concerns me. Your characterization of my "reality" is
> unfortunately colored by your own.... I certainly neither expect
> you nor anyone else to accept anything "without argument" or the
> free assent of your own conscience....
>
> >
> > The art that comes out of true faith is not propaganda, but an
> > exploration of possibilities. I will explore the possibilities
> > for myself and mankind in general as my faith dictates and
> > neither you, with your cynical bluster, nor those who kindly
> > offer the opinion that there is a "form" for Baha'i art
> > will stop that exploration.
>
> You're not as "free" in your exploration as you imagine....
>
> >
> > BTW, I supppose it's too much to hope that you found it significant
> > that your mean-spirited comment was actually published on this
> > supposedly censored newsgroup.
>
> (soc.religion.bahai) which has yet to publish either....
>
> >
> > +----------------------------------------+
> > | Maya Kaathryn Bohnhoff syntax@oro.net |
> > +----------------------------------------+
> > | "Nothing have I seen but that I |
> > | perceived God within it, God before it,|
> > | and God after it." - the Imam Husayn |
> > +----------------------------------------+
>
> --
> FG
> UseNet: alt.religion.bahai
>
>
> --
> FG
> UseNet: alt.religion.bahai
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