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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: Maneck's AOL slander of me, trb, Juan Cole, etc....
More than a year ago I asked Susan Maneck for a copy of her article
"Wisdom and Dissimulation: The Use and Meaning of Hikmat in the
Bahá'í Writings and History" after hearing of it on the mailing
list
talisman.
She immediately emailed me a copy, with kind words, which led to
some
fruitful discussion on talisman about Bahai "hikmat" or
dissembling and
deceiving non-Bahais when it's convenient to do so....
As a result of her sharing it with me, her then having been so
cordial,
most scholars wishing their work to receive wider circulation, it never
occurred to me that she would have been opposed to my putting it on
my web site, on the soc.religion.bahai censorship page, especially
since I knew it was posted for all the world to read on Juan Cole's
web site at
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bhscholr.htm
I will replace the article with the above link to it. It will be
interesting
to
see whether the article, which reveals the extent of the calculation
with which Bahais have deceived others, will soon "disappear"
from
there too....
Let me say for the non-Bahai, especially the news.groupie, that
Susan Maneck herself has proven quite adept at employing "hikmat"
in attacking talk.religion.bahai and personally me. I believe the
present efforts by her and others is damage control in advance
should her call for a NO vote prove effective. I ask you to consider
carefully the observations of K. Paul Johnson in a message currently
on alt.religion.bahai:
>It seems to me that part of what Fred calls "the Baha'i
>technique" is in fact far broader. It's the technique of
all
>defenders of some religious orthodoxy or another in response to
>criticism of their beliefs or organization. And you're engaging
>in it here. Some principles by which it can be discerned:
>
>1. Show scornful contempt for all criticisms, and the individuals
>making them. This has the advantage of furthering
>group solidarity and encouraging believers to regard criticism as
>contemptible. It also tells them "This will happen to you,
too,
>if you step out of line." Unfortunately, it has the
>disadvantage of saying to observers, "We true believers are a
>bunch of hostile, sarcastic nasties who don't care at all what
>people in the outside world think of us, since we're too busy
>bashing critics to worry about the impression our tone or
>attitude makes." (See the Eckists or Scientologists or
>fundamentalist Christians on Usenet for real virtuosity in
>this regard.)
>
>2. Personalize, personalize, personalize. If you can
>relentlessly focus attention on the individual(s) raising
>difficult issues, you just might keep yourself and others
>from facing the issues themselves. Not facing the crucial issues
>is of utmost priority.
>
>3. Polarize at all possible opportunities. Never give an inch.
>Don't acknowledge even a single point that an "enemy" makes,
or
>modify your vigilant tone for an instant. Prove that you're a
>"spiritual warrior" for the "true faith."
Kindness is weakness,
>forbearance is never appropriate when God's on your side.
Compare Mr. Johnson's observations with those of Dr. Juan Cole
regarding Susan Maneck's "misrepresentations" and "bites on
my back," attacks some of which she made on the AOL Message
Boards, during early October of 1998, in a manner very similar to
her present attacks:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Cole20.htm
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Cole19.htm
Let me urge those who wish to understand the complexity
of the issues at stake over talk.religion.bahai to read the observations
from several different people, which I will post in a revised version
in a moment, called "Demagoguery - The Baha'i Technique." Her
referring to my opinions and ideas as "garbage" and
"slander" should
be weighed carefully, especially the tone with which she's doing it....
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
On alt.religion.bahai and AOL, Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Smaneck wrote in message
<19990102213647.00849.00006194@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>>Since Maneck's slander and misrepresentations have
>>proven so difficult for some people to keep track of, I've
>>created a web page dedicated to helping others understand
>>what I believe are her misrepresentations
>
>. . . A web page which includes none of the statements I made giving
specific
>instances of Fred's slander. But most of those have been posted here
>previously. However, let me give you a fresh example of one he
recently
posted
>on AOL. Fred wrote:
>
>"Since I've been on AOL since mid-August, I've heard numerous
excuses
already
>why nothing can be done, all of them quite false.... First, it was
Mark
Foster
>was oh so busy with the return to his fall teaching schedule, then
suddenly,
>two months later, during discussion for talk.religion.bahai, the
excuse
became
>he was ill and needed an operation..... The reality is his absence
provides
an
>excuse for leaving the status quo right where it is . . . "
>
>Since Mark Foster's chronic illness is documentable and has effected
his
>ability to manage *all* of his numerous lists, this statement of
Fred's
which
>categorically says this is not true, is clearly slander for
which he could
be
>held liable in court.
>
>The "status quo" on AOL, incidently, is that posts are
put up and stay up
with
>no moderation whatsoever, even to the extent of insuring they abide by
TOS
>rules. The libraries and websites are frozen with a large portion of
the
>material and sites being those of
>Covenant-breaking groups. But Glaysher would have us believe this
situation
>exists for purposes of censorship on behalf of Baha'i Institutions!
>
>I would also like to bring it to Mr. Glaysher's attention that the
article
of
>mine on hikmat which he has posted on his website is copywrited.
Placing it
on
>his website constitutes a violation of federal law. But we wouldn't
want
>anything to get in the way of "free speech"!
>
>warmest,
>
>Susan
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 9:13 AM
Subject: AOL Survey - 3 Issues - Folders
Many of you may have also received this survey from AOL.
I'd like to suggest it could be used to improve the service
from AOL in the Bahai Forums. Please consider writing or
taking the survey and expressing along with what your individual
concerns might be the desire, as paying customers of AOL,
to see the 3 Issues and Folders rectified:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai added to Newsgroups
under Keyword search Bahai.
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored in any way by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
The Folders able to be changed as posters choose.
A new Forum Leader to replace Mark Foster, one open to
freedom of expression and belief, unlike Susan Maneck who
has thoroughly tainted herself during the discussion period
for talk.religion.bahai, which has now passed. You might
also request that when the newly formed talk.religion.bahai
is properly formed it be available on AOL (it already is but
technically as a bogus newsgroup).
You might also "cc" your response to SteveCase@aol.com
and ShawnnaT@aol.com to be sure someone at AOL receives
as well as the outside surveying company.
Thanks for your cooperation in improving the Bahai Forums
on AOL. And thanks to all of you who voted YES for
talk.religion.bahai!
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
On alt.religion.bahai and AOL, Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 9:25 AM
To: SteveCase@aol.com
Cc: ShawnnaT@aol.com
Subject: Fw: AOL Survey - 3 Issues - Folders
-----Original Message-----
From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 8:13 AM
Subject: AOL Survey - 3 Issues - Folders
>Many of you may have also received this survey from AOL.
>I'd like to suggest it could be used to improve the service
>from AOL in the Bahai Forums. Please consider writing or
>taking the survey and expressing along with what your individual
>concerns might be the desire, as paying customers of AOL,
>to see the 3 Issues and Folders rectified:
>
>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai added to Newsgroups
>under Keyword search Bahai.
>
>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>uncensored in any way by Bahais.
>
>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
>
>The Folders able to be changed as posters choose.
>
>A new Forum Leader to replace Mark Foster, one open to
>freedom of expression and belief, unlike Susan Maneck who
>has thoroughly tainted herself during the discussion period
>for talk.religion.bahai, which has now passed. You might
>also request that when the newly formed talk.religion.bahai
>is properly formed it be available on AOL (it already is but
>technically as a bogus newsgroup).
>
>You might also "cc" your response to SteveCase@aol.com
>and ShawnnaT@aol.com to be sure someone at AOL receives
>as well as the outside surveying company.
>
>Thanks for your cooperation in improving the Bahai Forums
>on AOL. And thanks to all of you who voted YES for
>talk.religion.bahai!
>
>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
>On alt.religion.bahai and AOL, Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 7:17 PM
To: K. Paul Johnson
Subject: Maneck on AOL about YOU!
Subject: Re: WHAT IS GOING ON????
Date: 1/13/1999 6:03 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Smaneck
Message-id: <19990113180318.09879.00000482@ng-fi1.aol.com>
Dear Adam:
Thank you for posting the Gnosis article. It's author, K. Paul
Johnson, is
a former Baha'i who has floated from one New Religious Movement to
another,
apparently finding each one too authoritarian for his tastes.
Currently I
believe he has found a home among the followers of Edgar Cayce.
This article stated:
>In October 1994 the electronic mail list Talisman was created by
Indiana
>University professor John Walbridge for scholarly discussion of Baha'i
>history, doctrines, and current affairs.
The discussion of history and doctrine, generally was scholarly.
The
discussion of "current affairs" more resembled the National
Enquirer.
Rumors impinging on the integrity of members of the senior Institutions
were
presented as true based on the flimsiest of evidence, or no evidence at
all.
>even mild dissent is regarded as treasonous.
Were this true they would have gotten rid of me a long time ago!
Mr. Johnson suggests that they were unfairly accused of being in
opposition
to the Covenant. While the participants of Talisman were not a
monolithic
group some of them take the position which True has argued here, namely
that
Cause became "mutilated" due to the absence of a living Guardian
and hence
the provisions of the Covenant do not really pertain. At least one
individual tried to persuade me that the Covenant effectively ceased to
function
after 1921 because the Universal House of Justice and the Guardian never
coexisted. Hence divine guidance cannot be assured for the entire
period of
the Guardianship and the Universal House of Justice. For most
Baha'is such
a position definitely has Covenantal implications.
Keep in mind that I am not suggesting that the Walbridge's themselves
took
this position, only that they came to be associated with those who did.
>David Langness had his rights to voting and attendance at major
functions
>removed by the American National Spiritual Assembly, which never
specified
>the charges against him
I have seen the documentation here and the charges were quite
specific. (I
can provide you with this if you like, PL.) Mr. Langness' voting
rights
were removed for "slander" after he stated on Talisman that the
Secretary-general of the National Spiritual Assembly had removed David's
rights to pilgrimage a number of years earlier on his own initiative
without
authorization. Mr. Langness had a letter in his possession at the
time
which stated quite
explicitly that this action had been taken with the knowledge and consent
of
the Universal House of Justice.
>Defending its actions, the Universal House of Justice wrote to a
family
>member of one of the accused; the letter later appeared on the front
page
of
>the journal "The American Baha'i." It argues that
Talisman was the
>continuation of a conspiracy born in the mid-1980s involving a liberal
Baha'i
>journal, "Dialogue," which closed after Baha'i authorities
accused it of
>being subversive.
The word "conspiracy" does not appear in that letter.
Rather their
activities are compared to the kind of partisan pressure politics common
in
Western democracies. I have posted this letter in the Universal
House of
Justice folder. You can access it here:
House on Criticism
The activities of the 1980s which this article refers to are the same
one's
which resulted in the removal of David Langness' right to
pilgrimage. This
occurred as a result of an article written by David Langness which
critiqued
current Baha'i administrative practices. I believe Mr. Glaysher
posted that
article here some time ago. It was entitled "A Modest
Proposal" named after
grimly ironic essay by the same name, written by Jonathan Swift which
suggests that
Ireland's
overpopulation and dire economic
conditions could be alleviated if the babies of poor Irish parents were
sold
as edible delicacies to be eaten by the rich. I have posted the
explanation
given by the Universal House of Justice for the actions of the
Institutions
in 1989 in the aforementioned folder which you may access here.
Letter on
the Dialogue Affair
warmest,
Susan Maneck
----------
From: K. Paul Johnson[SMTP:pjohnson@vsla.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 4:07 PM
To: FG
Cc: pjohnson@vsla.edu
Subject: Re: Maneck on AOL about YOU!
Dear Fred,
Please forward this reply for me:
Susan Maneck wrote:
> From: Smaneck
> Message-id: <19990113180318.09879.00000482@ng-fi1.aol.com>
>
> Dear Adam:
>
> Thank you for posting the Gnosis article. It's author,
Its
K. Paul Johnson, is
> a former Baha'i who has floated from one New Religious Movement to
another,
who has only belonged to two new religious movements since
leaving the Baha'i Faith at age 20 in 1974, after five years of
membership: the Cayce-founded Association for Research
and Enlightenment and the Theosophical movement, with both of which he
*affiliated over twenty years ago* and with which he has been
connected ever since, with varying levels of involvement but
continuous interest,
> apparently finding each one too authoritarian for his
tastes.
finding no problems with authoritarianism in either movement
until publishing academic studies which certain Theosophical
leaders found so unsettling as to bring out a kind of dogmatic
condemnation no other author had received in this century.
This has done nothing to reduce his activity in the Theosophical
movement, where he continues to be a regular speaker to the
Theosophical Society in Maryland, as he has been for many years,
and to the Charlotte NC Study Center.
Currently I
> believe he has found a home among the followers of Edgar Cayce.
>
He was born into a family with connections to Cayce, participated
in ARE Study Groups in the seventies, eighties and nineties, and
never, even when a teenage Baha'i, lost interest in Cayce, about
whom he has just published the first university press study,
Edgar Cayce in Context: The Readings, Truth and Fiction.
Fortunately, the Cayce family and the ARE leadership are
much more hospitable to scholarly inquiry than the Theosophists
were.
>
> The discussion of history and doctrine, generally was
scholarly. The
> discussion of "current affairs" more resembled the National
Enquirer.
What does your religion teach about backbiting, Susan?
I suggest that your reliability as a commentator on me is already
pretty clear from the above corrections. I interviewed all the
principals in the Talisman I crises except Stephen Birkland *who
refused my request for an interview.* If you think the results
are slanted in favor of the "out" faction, blame him. I
reported
what I observed and what I was told by the sources who would talk
to me.
When you say "warmest," Susan, it doesn't mean anything
pleasant,
does it?
Paul
PS-- All the ins and outs of the Talisman situation should be
discussed on talk.religion.bahai, where some of the principals
are likely to be. I'm copying this to Juan Cole so he will know
of your personal attack, and may comment himself.
----------
From: K. Paul Johnson[SMTP:pjohnson@vsla.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 7:14 PM
To: FG
Cc: crollins@webtv.com
Subject: Re: Maneck on AOL about YOU!
Dear Fred,
I've been thinking about the surprising message you forwarded.
Although replying by correcting Susan's calumnies might have been
satisfying to me, it probably didn't clearly enough address her
misunderstandings for readers. The best metaphor I can come up with
is that she has misperceived me as an oft-married, unstable serial
monogamist in the spiritual realm. In fact, I've been a very stable
polygamist.
As stated, I knew of Cayce and was fascinated by him well before
encountering Baha'i. The ARE HQ is something of a spiritual axis
mundi for alternative spirituality in Tidewater Virginia, and its
library had the largest collections of Baha'i, Theosophical,
Radhasoami, Spiritualist, etc. etc. books in the region and
perhaps the state. As soon as I left Baha'i I reverted to
interest in the constellation of ideas and practices that soon
came to be known as "New Age." Joined ARE in late 1977 and
became enamored of Theosophical books in their library, which led
to joining the Theosophical Society in early 1978. Ever since
then my continually-evolving belief system has incorporated
elements from both sources, and my network of spiritual
associations has included members of both organizations. I let
my ARE membership expire after a year, but most Cayce disciples
aren't ARE members. Think I'm the only one in my study group of
8 participants who belongs! Founded a Theosophical branch in
Tidewater in 1980 which survived until I left the area in 1990
(and a bit beyond that) but there were always more ARE members
participating than Theosophists. The frame of reference for any
alternative spiritual group in that metro area has to include
Cayce to some extent, and the Virginia Beach Baha'is were
certainly enthusiastic about visiting ARE back when I was among
them. I remember a fireside where a Baha'i gave a straight Caycean
lecture on diet and health!
The year that I was most productive in the research and writing
that led to my 3 books on Mme. Blavatsky, I was active in an ARE
Study Group. It's always been an intertwined dharma. After
exhausting my interests in Theosophical research, I proceeded on
to Cayce, but he'd always been there as a major element in my
worldview. Not until 1995 did I renew ARE membership and find a
local study group here to join, and then start writing about
Cayce. That must be why Susan came up with the idea that I was
some kind of unstable dharma-hopper "bouncing." In fact,
I've
been about as stable as a person could be in terms of spiritual
affiliations since leaving Baha'i, staying focused on the same
two movements my entire adult life. Since each of those
movements is eclectic and encourages exploration, this did not
prevent me from taking side trips into Satchidananda satsangs,
Fourth Way exercises, Radhasoami meditation techniques, etc.
In fact, my spiritual identity has remained strongly rooted/centered
for more than 20 years in the same movements and interests, but
has expanded rather steadily with the addition of new learnings
from a wide variety of sources. I think this must be rather hard
for Baha'is to understand, since their identification with a
single organization and body of literature is vastly stronger than
mine has ever been with any since 1974, and their tolerance for multiple
affiliations and explorations far, far less.
Something I can't help noticing, and wondering about, is the
consistent role of personal attacks in Baha'i discourse.
Not only was Susan's characterization of me entirely inaccurate, it
was also irrelevant. The article could and should have been
evaluated without introduction of such considerations, IMO.
Richard Schaut delivered 4 or 5 personal attacks (I lost count)
against me on arb/trm *in a single day* yesterday. He could just
as easily have tried to dissect my line of argument without ever
once going off into diatribes about "Mr. Johnson." Oddly,
Richard was
subjected, on the very same day, to about as many personal
attacks from Tim Mulligan, yet didn't make *any* such attacks *on
his attacker*. Instead, I, who try to be scrupulously focused on
the ideas and attitudes expressed rather than personalities, got
bashed repeatedly. Scapegoating? Who knows? (Richard and
Susan
both managed to push me over my preferred limits into responding to their
personally focused remarks on their level, which tells me I
really need to work on ways to transcend rather than
reciprocate their negative emotions-- "resist not evil" etc.)
Well, feel free to use this however you wish. Hope it clarifies
things a bit for you and whomever reads it.
Cheers,
Paul
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 9:13 PM
To: K. Paul Johnson
Subject: Fw: Maneck on AOL about YOU!
It appears you cc-ed this to "crollins" not Juan Cole.
I've posted both to AOL.
News.groups is turning into a farce. I'm saying
nothing until trb is up and running....
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: K. Paul Johnson <pjohnson@vsla.edu>
To: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
Cc: crollins@webtv.com <crollins@webtv.com>
Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: Maneck on AOL about YOU!
>Dear Fred,
>
>I've been thinking about the surprising message you forwarded.
>Although replying by correcting Susan's calumnies might have been
>satisfying to me, it probably didn't clearly enough address her
>misunderstandings for readers. The best metaphor I can come up
with
>is that she has misperceived me as an oft-married, unstable serial
>monogamist in the spiritual realm. In fact, I've been a very
stable
>polygamist.
>
>As stated, I knew of Cayce and was fascinated by him well before
>encountering Baha'i. The ARE HQ is something of a spiritual axis
>mundi for alternative spirituality in Tidewater Virginia, and its
>library had the largest collections of Baha'i, Theosophical,
>Radhasoami, Spiritualist, etc. etc. books in the region and
>perhaps the state. As soon as I left Baha'i I reverted to
>interest in the constellation of ideas and practices that soon
>came to be known as "New Age." Joined ARE in late 1977
and
>became enamored of Theosophical books in their library, which led
>to joining the Theosophical Society in early 1978. Ever since
>then my continually-evolving belief system has incorporated
>elements from both sources, and my network of spiritual
>associations has included members of both organizations. I let
>my ARE membership expire after a year, but most Cayce disciples
>aren't ARE members. Think I'm the only one in my study group of
>8 participants who belongs! Founded a Theosophical branch in
>Tidewater in 1980 which survived until I left the area in 1990
>(and a bit beyond that) but there were always more ARE members
>participating than Theosophists. The frame of reference for any
>alternative spiritual group in that metro area has to include
>Cayce to some extent, and the Virginia Beach Baha'is were
>certainly enthusiastic about visiting ARE back when I was among
>them. I remember a fireside where a Baha'i gave a straight
Caycean
>lecture on diet and health!
>
>The year that I was most productive in the research and writing
>that led to my 3 books on Mme. Blavatsky, I was active in an ARE
>Study Group. It's always been an intertwined dharma. After
>exhausting my interests in Theosophical research, I proceeded on
>to Cayce, but he'd always been there as a major element in my
>worldview. Not until 1995 did I renew ARE membership and find a
>local study group here to join, and then start writing about
>Cayce. That must be why Susan came up with the idea that I was
>some kind of unstable dharma-hopper "bouncing." In
fact, I've
>been about as stable as a person could be in terms of spiritual
>affiliations since leaving Baha'i, staying focused on the same
>two movements my entire adult life. Since each of those
>movements is eclectic and encourages exploration, this did not
>prevent me from taking side trips into Satchidananda satsangs,
>Fourth Way exercises, Radhasoami meditation techniques, etc.
>
>In fact, my spiritual identity has remained strongly rooted/centered
>for more than 20 years in the same movements and interests, but
>has expanded rather steadily with the addition of new learnings
>from a wide variety of sources. I think this must be rather hard
>for Baha'is to understand, since their identification with a
>single organization and body of literature is vastly stronger than
>mine has ever been with any since 1974, and their tolerance for
multiple
>affiliations and explorations far, far less.
>
>Something I can't help noticing, and wondering about, is the
>consistent role of personal attacks in Baha'i discourse.
>Not only was Susan's characterization of me entirely inaccurate, it
>was also irrelevant. The article could and should have been
>evaluated without introduction of such considerations, IMO.
>Richard Schaut delivered 4 or 5 personal attacks (I lost count)
>against me on arb/trm *in a single day* yesterday. He could just
>as easily have tried to dissect my line of argument without ever
>once going off into diatribes about "Mr. Johnson."
Oddly, Richard was
>subjected, on the very same day, to about as many personal
>attacks from Tim Mulligan, yet didn't make *any* such attacks *on
>his attacker*. Instead, I, who try to be scrupulously focused on
>the ideas and attitudes expressed rather than personalities, got
>bashed repeatedly. Scapegoating? Who knows? (Richard
and Susan
>both managed to push me over my preferred limits into responding to
their
>personally focused remarks on their level, which tells me I
>really need to work on ways to transcend rather than
>reciprocate their negative emotions-- "resist not evil"
etc.)
>
>Well, feel free to use this however you wish. Hope it clarifies
>things a bit for you and whomever reads it.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Paul
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 10:57 AM
To: FG
Subject: 3 Issues
3 Issues remain here on the Bahai Forum:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai added to Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
----------
From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 7:00 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Terms of Service
Dear Jennifer:
Please explain in detail how my posting to the Bahai Message Boards
is a TOS. I fail to see how it could possibly be construed as such and
can't imagine many people would.
I must inform you that many Bahai fundamentalists vehemently hate
me for being instrumental in supporting and passing the recently
created unmoderated talk.religion.bahai on Usenet. You might want
to take that into consideration regarding whoever has alleged the
TOS against me. Also, for the more than decade long struggle that
has been occurring in the Bahai Faith over freedom of conscience
and speech, please see my web site The Bahai Faith & Religious
Freedom of Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
Please remove any TOS against my account and inform me in writing
when you have done so.
Thank you.
FG
FG@aol.com
Subj: Terms of Service
Date: 2/1/1999 6:34:29 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:TOSBoards3">TOSBoards3</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
Dear Member,
I need to let you know that America Online was notified of a post to
one of
our message boards which violates the Terms of Service. Here is the
information I have placed on the account regarding this incident:
On Mon, Feb 1, 1999 07:17 EST the FG screen name posted a
message in
Keyword Baha'i/Message Boards/For Non-Baha'is >> Subject: Call for
Manuscripts
- - New . The following is an excerpt from the post:
" Call
for Manuscripts - - New Publisher , a new
publishing company, seeks primarily manuscripts of poetry, fiction, and
literary and social criticism.....All submissions must include a Self
Addressed Stamped Envelope (SASE) or they will not be returned
"
Our Terms of Service agreement, which was presented during the sign up
process, allows America Online to be informative, entertaining and, above
all,
fun for all of our Members. You can review that agreement by using
keyword
<A HREF="aol://1391:41-4688">TOS</A>. This
area also has information and
tools you can use to help protect your account. Also, you may want
to take a
look at our <A HREF="aol://1722:parentalcontrols">PARENTAL
CONTROLS</A>. This
will allow you, among other things, to limit and/or block specific
screen
names from various online activities.
Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note,
this screen name
cannot accept replies. Therefore, if you have any comments or questions
please
send mail to <A HREF="mailto:
TOSGeneral">TOSGeneral</A>.
Regards,
Jennifer
Community Action Team
America Online, Inc.
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 6:52 AM
To: FG
Subject: TOS3 against
Subj: Terms of Service
Date: 2/1/1999 6:34:29 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: TOSBoards3
To: FG
Dear Member,
I need to let you know that America Online was notified of a post to
one of
our message boards which violates the Terms of Service. Here is the
information I have placed on the account regarding this incident:
On Mon, Feb 1, 1999 07:17 EST the FG screen name posted a
message in
Keyword Baha'i/Message Boards/For Non-Baha'is >> Subject: Call for
Manuscripts - - New . The following is an excerpt
from the
post: " Call for Manuscripts - - New Publisher
, a new publishing company, seeks primarily manuscripts of poetry,
fiction, and literary and social criticism.....All submissions must
include
a Self Addressed Stamped Envelope (SASE) or they will not be
returned "
Our Terms of Service agreement, which was presented during the sign up
process, allows America Online to be informative, entertaining and, above
all, fun for all of our Members. You can review that agreement by
using
keyword TOS. This area also has information and tools you can use to
help
protect your account. Also, you may want to take a look at our
PARENTAL
CONTROLS. This will allow you, among other things, to limit and/or
block
specific screen names from various online activities.
Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note,
this screen
name cannot accept replies. Therefore, if you have any comments or
questions
please send mail to TOSGeneral.
Regards,
Jennifer
Community Action Team
America Online, Inc.
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 8:34 AM
Subject: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
Mark Foster, the Forum Leader, after nearly a full year of absence,
has surfaced suddenly on AOL, ignoring my resquests that he
resign, and appears to be ready to reimpose Bahai control
and manipulation of the various Bahai Forums on AOL.
Subject: Why RBCF Mark Foster should resign
Date: 2/4/1999 7:25 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990204072511.13073.00000518@ng38.aol.com>
Since early August 1998, I have repeatedly asked
the Forum Leader Mark Foster to improve 3 issues:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai added to Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
The long record of appeals can be found on Questions for
the Forum Leader, Announcements, and For Non-Bahais.
During this entire time, and apparently for months even
prior to August, he has abandoned his duties and
responsibilities as Forum Leader. That is why I emailed him
personally on at least two occasions months ago and have
repeatedly asked for his resignation in public on the Bahai
Forums.
I once again ask Mark Foster to RESIGN and allow
someone else become the Forum Leader. I do not believe
that Mark Foster, nor Susan Maneck, should be trusted
with the position. Mr. Foster has thoroughly proven his
inability and incompetence during the last year. Ms. Maneck
has equally demonstrated her dishonesty and lack of respect
for the principles that undergird AOL--freedom of speech and
conscience by referring on these Message Boards and
elsewhere to people's "garbage" opinions and ideas. Her
demagogic NO vote campaign against talk.religion.bahai
speaks poorly of her commitment to the principles that a
Forum Leader should adhere to not to mention those that
anyone truly worthy of being consider a scholar ought to
uphold.
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Maneck1.htm
Bahais such as Foster and Maneck have abused the
positions of authority when given them. They have and
would run the AOL Forums in the same dictatorial way
that soc.religion.bahai has and is run. I do not care to
pay $21.95 per month for more Bahai censorship of the
3 Issues. People need to understand that the frozen
status quo is better than nothing to Bahai like Foster and
Maneck.
I request all those people who agree to speak up and say
something and support the Petition I have posted in the
past and will repost now.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 4:57 PM
To: RBCFMark@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: TOS violation
Please explain in detail how my two messages are
TOS violations.
----------
From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 5:27 PM
To: SteveCase@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com; ShawnnaT@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: TOS violation
<<Message: TOS violation>>
Dear Mr. Case,
I'm forwarding you the message below from the Bahai Forum Leader
who just showed back up yesterday after being gone at least since
early August, 1998, and apparently even for months prior to that.
He's suddenly alleging TOSs against me and apparently threatening
others with him. I've been asking for months for him to RESIGN and
believe the best thing for AOL members is for him to do so. He's a
highly dictatorial personality as I have experienced him on a mailing
list, Bahai-Studies, and should not even be allowed to run AOL's
Bahai Forums, which are definitely manipulated by fundamentalist
Bahais intent on silencing and suppressing others who do not toe
the party line....
Please, please do something NOW to help improve the Bahai Forums
and prevent them from further abuse by Bahais. I suggest you search
the Questions to Forum Leader and Annoucement Folders back to
August to corroborate that I have repeatedly attempted to improve the
manipulation of these Forums by Bahais.
Further, as a paying member, I ask you to fully investigate the
motivations
for placing these bogus TOSs on my account and remove them.
Subj: TOS violation
Date: 2/4/1999 12:51:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:RBCF Mark">RBCF Mark</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
Another TOS violation. Both of these have been reported to AOL.
Mark Foster
Baha'i Forum Manager
Subject: Why RBCF Mark Foster should resign
Date: 2/4/99 06:25 Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:FG">FG</A>
Message-id: <19990204072511.13073.00000518@ng38.aol.com>
Since early August 1998, I have repeatedly asked
the Forum Leader Mark Foster to improve 3 issues:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai added to Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
The long record of appeals can be found on Questions for
the Forum Leader, Announcements, and For Non-Bahais.
During this entire time, and apparently for months even
prior to August, he has abandoned his duties and
responsibilities as Forum Leader. That is why I emailed him
personally on at least two occasions months ago and have
repeatedly asked for his resignation in public on the Bahai
Forums.
I once again ask Mark Foster to RESIGN and allow
someone else become the Forum Leader. I do not believe
that Mark Foster, nor Susan Maneck, should be trusted
with the position. Mr. Foster has thoroughly proven his
inability and incompetence during the last year. Ms. Maneck
has equally demonstrated her dishonesty and lack of respect
for the principles that undergird AOL--freedom of speech and
conscience by referring on these Message Boards and
elsewhere to people's "garbage" opinions and ideas. Her
demagogic NO vote campaign against talk.religion.bahai
speaks poorly of her commitment to the principles that a
Forum Leader should adhere to not to mention those that
anyone truly worthy of being consider a scholar ought to
uphold.
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Maneck1.htm
Bahais such as Foster and Maneck have abused the
positions of authority when given them. They have and
would run the AOL Forums in the same dictatorial way
that soc.religion.bahai has and is run. I do not care to
pay $21.95 per month for more Bahai censorship of the
3 Issues. People need to understand that the frozen
status quo is better than nothing to Bahai like Foster and
Maneck.
I request all those people who agree to speak up and say
something and support the Petition I have posted in the
past and will repost now.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 4:03 PM
To: RBCFMark@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: TOS violation
Are you advising Maneck who has accused me of
slander and referred to my ideas as "garbage" of
your new policies?
----------
From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 4:18 PM
To: RBCFMark@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: (no subject)
You might want to notice the dates of the messages
you're forwarding as instances of a TOS.
You're not a fair player, and you know it....
Please answer my Questions to Forum Leader
in that folder.
----------
From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:46 AM
To: ShawnnaT@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com; HostMgr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Receipt for Fwd: TOS violation
I would like to state that this alleged TOS violation is
completely bogus. The Bahai Forum Leader has failed
to perform his duties in any way whatsoever for more
than EIGHT months. My request that he resign was
emailed to him more than two months ago, and I have
repeatedly asked him to resign. My reason for doing
so is he and other FUNDAMENALTIST BAHAIS on
AOL are manipulating and using the Bahai Forums to
suppress what information is available to AOL members.
I also believe this TOS is an act of revenge against me
for recently creating talk.religion.bahai on Usenet, which
fundamentalist Bahais have opposed for more than two
years and may be corroborated by looking at my website
which documents their opposition, including their fanaticism
on AOL.
Please read especially "The Baha'i Technique" and AOL:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/technique.htm
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/AOL.htm
What is taking place on the AOL Bahai Forums is exceedingly
complex and will require serious efforts on the part of AOL
personnel if you are to understand and make the right decisions.
I'm concerned primarily with 3 ISSUES:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
I am forwarding this message to the HostMGR in the hope that
he can assist in removing Mark Foster as Bahai Forum Leader.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:08 AM
To: talisman
Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai
censorship)
Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
Forum Leader
Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
absence.
I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
I have little confidence in you.
Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:08 AM
Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai
censorship)
Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
Forum Leader
Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
absence.
I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
I have little confidence in you.
Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:30 AM
To: CRust60001@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>fyi
>
>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>Forum Leader
>>
>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>
>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>absence.
>>
>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>
>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>
>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>
>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
>>
>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>>I have little confidence in you.
>>
>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>
>>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:31 AM
To: HANI72@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
fyi
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:30 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
>Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members
& Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>fyi
>>
>>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
>>Newsgroups:
alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members
& Bahai
>>censorship)
>>
>>
>>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>>Forum Leader
>>>
>>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>>
>>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>>absence.
>>>
>>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>>
>>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>>
>>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>>
>>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience
>>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
>>>
>>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing
list,
>>>I have little confidence in you.
>>>
>>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>>
>>>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom
of Conscience:
>>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:32 AM
To: Jimo3@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>fyi
>
>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>Forum Leader
>>
>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>
>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>absence.
>>
>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>
>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>
>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>
>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
>>
>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>>I have little confidence in you.
>>
>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>
>>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:32 AM
To: KevinEco@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>fyi
>
>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>Forum Leader
>>
>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>
>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>absence.
>>
>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>
>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>
>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>
>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
>>
>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>>I have little confidence in you.
>>
>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>
>>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:33 AM
To: Macho786@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>fyi
>
>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>Forum Leader
>>
>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>
>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>absence.
>>
>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>
>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>
>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>
>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
>>
>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>>I have little confidence in you.
>>
>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>
>>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:34 AM
To: PParvin@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>fyi
>
>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>Forum Leader
>>
>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>
>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>absence.
>>
>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>
>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>
>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>
>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
>>
>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>>I have little confidence in you.
>>
>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>
>>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:34 AM
To: RayHanania@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>fyi
>
>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>Forum Leader
>>
>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>
>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>absence.
>>
>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>
>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>
>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>
>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
>>
>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>>I have little confidence in you.
>>
>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>
>>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:35 AM
To: RobertNik@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>fyi
>
>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>Forum Leader
>>
>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>
>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>absence.
>>
>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>
>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>
>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>
>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
>>
>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>>I have little confidence in you.
>>
>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>
>>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:35 AM
To: SAMaso@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>fyi
>
>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>Forum Leader
>>
>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>
>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>absence.
>>
>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>
>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>
>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>
>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
>>
>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>>I have little confidence in you.
>>
>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>
>>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:36 AM
To: Shaksway@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>fyi
>
>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>Forum Leader
>>
>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>
>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>absence.
>>
>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>
>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>
>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>
>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
>>
>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>>I have little confidence in you.
>>
>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>
>>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:36 AM
To: Smastr@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>fyi
>
>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>Forum Leader
>>
>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>
>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>absence.
>>
>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>
>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>
>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>
>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
>>
>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>>I have little confidence in you.
>>
>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>
>>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
----------
From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 1:00 PM
To: Ruletherod@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members
& Bahai censors...
Rule,
Good luck, you're really going to need it....
It appears the fanatics have been successful in cutting
me off from the Message Boards. I've just been notified
to that effect.
I must say I'm disappointed in you....
Subj: Fwd: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members
& Bahai
censors...
Date: 2/5/1999 11:21:53 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:Ruletherod">Ruletherod</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
CC: <A HREF="mailto:Ruletherod">Ruletherod</A>
Dear Fred,
Even, Susan, believe it or not, has admitted to me that you have a
legitimate
right to your self-expression (everything being relative)--if only in more
politically appeasing terms to avoid the impatient retaliation by the
general
rank and file of orthodoxy.
It's time to come to the table and be a player, side-by-side with the
rest of
the crew. "We" need you with us for the same fight against the
bigger dogs of
tyranny gnawing
at people's lives around the world--where basic human rights and democracy
remain a joke. There are many causes fighting against the plague of
tyranny.
The Baha'i faith is one too (however imperfect and hypocritical), even if
it
has some odd traits in achieving this objective. Alone, fighting off the
"lions," we will only get defeated or devoured as martyrs to
ourselves. But in
numbers there is strength--the greater the numbers, the greater the
strength
for change.
To be a Baha'i is to serve the promise (potential) of the future
order. If you
can tactfully pursue your personal objectives, you may also be able to
work in
unison with the whole in achieving the greater end. As it is, both your
personal goals and your Baha'i pledge to serve the promise of the existing
Baha'i order are being compromised to little advantage. How you achieve
this
depends on the nature of your genius. We have to look around and ask
ourselves: "Is this method really working?
Is there a more fruitful approach for everyone concerned? What must I give
up
in order to be a player again--even if only for my own sake?"
No, I haven't sold out. These are the same things I've been telling
myself
lately.
"Some will shine in the second rank who are lost in the first."
(Voltaire) Why
not be a second-ranking officer where things get done the right way in the
disguise of a conforming style?
Best wishes. Your friend, "Rule."
-----------------
Forwarded Message:
Subj: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai
censorship)
Date: 2/5/1999 8:28:02 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: FG@hotmail.com (FG)
To: Ruletherod@aol.com
fyi
Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
-----Original Message-----
From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai
censorship)
>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>Forum Leader
>
>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>
>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>absence.
>
>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>
>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>
>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>uncensored by Bahais.
>
>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
>
>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>I have little confidence in you.
>
>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>
>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>
>
>
>
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 1:05 PM
Subject: Bahais on AOL (Re: Call for Manuscripts - - New
Publisher)
Fran Baker wrote in message
<79f5k7$2g1$1@chaos.crhc.uiuc.edu>...
>Matthew Cromer <matthew_cromer@iname.com> writes:
>
>>In article <79dj61$ooo$1@chaos.crhc.uiuc.edu> Fran Baker,
>>fran@gershwin.dgii.com writes:
>>>The FDA doesn't claim to be infallible.
>>>
>>>--Fran
>
>>Baha'is don't use the power of the State to impose their views.
>
>Not now, but that is the hope and that is the plan.
>
>Also, "the power of the State" is not monolithic in the US,
so
>this is a bit of a straw man.
Baha fundamentalists are using what little power they
have on AOL, where there are potentially 14+ million readers,
to basically frame me at the moment and get me thrown
off AOL. See my recent message on AOL for more info.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
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Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 1:10 PM
Subject: Bahai threats (Re: Call for Manuscripts - - New
Publisher)
Smaneck wrote in message
<19990204234252.25317.00000226@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
>
>Mr. Glaysher has made it quite clear that he does not wish to receive
privat
>email. Furthermore he has made it even more clear that private email
sent
to
>him will not be kept private.
Non-Bahais should look at the following links to see
what kind of messages are being sent to me and others
by "loving" Bahais....
https://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~saf/bahai/docs/hikmat.html
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/AOL.htm
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/hate.htm
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Maneck1.htm
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 4:19 PM
To: FG
Subject: TOS
Subj: TOS
Date: 2/5/1999 2:56:49 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Again, forwarded to TOS. You need to refrain from personal indictments
and
accusations.
Mark Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
-------------
Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
absence.
I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
I have little confidence in you.
Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: TOS
Date: 2/5/1999 2:39:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
And another one reported to TOS
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
-----------
Subject: Re: 12/4/98 Message to Mark Foster
Date: 2/4/99 15:04 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990204160430.27091.00000604@ng13.aol.com>
I certainly don't believe a word of it.
Is it now going to be your policy of placing bogus TOS violations
against
anyone with whom you or certain other Bahais disagree with?
Your claiming my other two messages as such is quite revealing, in my
humble
opinion....
Am I allowed to have one? Is anyone?
Please state why you have ignored my repeated appeals during the last
SIX
MONTHS....
Also, is it a violation to ask you to RESIGN
for dericlection of duty? I for one hope you still will and have no
confidence in you whatsoever. Will you allege a TOS against me for saying
so?
Please state your policy regarding the 3 ISSUES....
Will you be manipulating them to the benefit of certain kinds of
Bahais?
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: TOS
Date: 2/5/1999 2:37:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Again forwarded for possible action.
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
-------------
Subject: rbcfmark IS NOT ACCEPTING MAIL FROM THIS SENDER
Date: 2/4/99 15:13 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990204161327.27091.00000612@ng13.aol.com>
That was ingenious.... Please consider my questions below.
Have experienced your censorship of Bahai-studies, I am not
at all please that you have returned to run AOL's Bahai Forums:
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From: FG@aol.com (FG)
Subject: Re: 12/4/98 Message to Mark Foster
Message-ID: <19990204160430.27091.00000603@ng13.aol.com>
I certainly don't believe a word of it.
Is it now going to be your policy of placing bogus TOS violations
against
anyone with whom you or certain other Bahais disagree with?
Your claiming my other two messages as such is quite revealing, in my
humble
opinion....
Am I allowed to have one? Is anyone?
Please state why you have ignored my repeated appeals during the last
SIX
MONTHS....
Also, is it a violation to ask you to RESIGN
for dericlection of duty? I for one hope you still will and have no
confidence in you whatsoever. Will you allege a TOS against me for saying
so?
Please state your policy regarding the 3 ISSUES....
Will you be manipulating them to the benefit of certain kinds of
Bahais?
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
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Subj: (no subject)
Date: 2/5/1999 2:35:08 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
As in the two previous cases, I have reported your posting as a
possible TOS
violation. It is not my decision as to what is a TOS violation. Your
postings are read and a decision is made (by them, not by me).
You again attack/criticize Susan Maneck and myself.
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Faith Forum Manager
-----
Subject: To Steve Case
Date: 2/4/99 15:30 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990204163020.27436.00000700@ng14.aol.com>
Dear Mr. Case,
I'm forwarding you the message below from the Bahai Forum Leader
who just showed back up yesterday after being gone at least since
early August, 1998, and apparently even for months prior to that.
He's suddenly alleging TOSs against me and apparently threatening
others with them. I've been asking for months for him to RESIGN and
believe the best thing for AOL members is for him to do so. He's a
highly dictatorial personality as I have experienced him on a mailing
list, Bahai-Studies, and should not even be allowed to run AOL's
Bahai Forums, which are definitely manipulated by fundamentalist
Bahais intent on silencing and suppressing others who do not toe
the party line....
Please, please do something NOW to help improve the Bahai Forums
and prevent them from further abuse by Bahais. I suggest you search
the Questions to Forum Leader and Annoucement Folders back to
August to corroborate that I have repeatedly attempted to improve the
manipulation of these Forums by Bahais.
Further, as a paying member, I ask you to fully investigate the
motivations
for placing these bogus TOSs on my account and remove them.
FG
FG@aol.com
------------
Subj: TOS violation
Date: 2/4/1999 12:51:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Another TOS violation. Both of these have been reported to AOL.
Mark Foster
Baha'i Forum Manager
Subject: Why RBCF Mark Foster should resign
Date: 2/4/99 06:25 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990204072511.13073.00000518@ng38.aol.com>
Since early August 1998, I have repeatedly asked
the Forum Leader Mark Foster to improve 3 issues:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai added to Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
The long record of appeals can be found on Questions for
the Forum Leader, Announcements, and For Non-Bahais.
During this entire time, and apparently for months even
prior to August, he has abandoned his duties and
responsibilities as Forum Leader. That is why I emailed him
personally on at least two occasions months ago and have
repeatedly asked for his resignation in public on the Bahai
Forums.
I once again ask Mark Foster to RESIGN and allow
someone else become the Forum Leader. I do not believe
that Mark Foster, nor Susan Maneck, should be trusted
with the position. Mr. Foster has thoroughly proven his
inability and incompetence during the last year. Ms. Maneck
has equally demonstrated her dishonesty and lack of respect
for the principles that undergird AOL--freedom of speech and
conscience by referring on these Message Boards and
elsewhere to people's "garbage" opinions and ideas. Her
demagogic NO vote campaign against talk.religion.bahai
speaks poorly of her commitment to the principles that a
Forum Leader should adhere to not to mention those that
anyone truly worthy of being consider a scholar ought to
uphold.
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Maneck1.htm
Bahais such as Foster and Maneck have abused the
positions of authority when given them. They have and
would run the AOL Forums in the same dictatorial way
that soc.religion.bahai has and is run. I do not care to
pay $21.95 per month for more Bahai censorship of the
3 Issues. People need to understand that the frozen
status quo is better than nothing to Bahai like Foster and
Maneck.
I request all those people who agree to speak up and say
something and support the Petition I have posted in the
past and will repost now.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
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----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 4:19 PM
To: FG
Subject: TOS
Subj: TOS
Date: 2/5/1999 2:56:49 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Again, forwarded to TOS. You need to refrain from personal indictments
and
accusations.
Mark Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
-------------
Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
absence.
I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
I have little confidence in you.
Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: TOS
Date: 2/5/1999 2:39:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
And another one reported to TOS
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
-----------
Subject: Re: 12/4/98 Message to Mark Foster
Date: 2/4/99 15:04 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990204160430.27091.00000604@ng13.aol.com>
I certainly don't believe a word of it.
Is it now going to be your policy of placing bogus TOS violations
against
anyone with whom you or certain other Bahais disagree with?
Your claiming my other two messages as such is quite revealing, in my
humble
opinion....
Am I allowed to have one? Is anyone?
Please state why you have ignored my repeated appeals during the last
SIX
MONTHS....
Also, is it a violation to ask you to RESIGN
for dericlection of duty? I for one hope you still will and have no
confidence in you whatsoever. Will you allege a TOS against me for saying
so?
Please state your policy regarding the 3 ISSUES....
Will you be manipulating them to the benefit of certain kinds of
Bahais?
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: TOS
Date: 2/5/1999 2:37:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Again forwarded for possible action.
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
-------------
Subject: rbcfmark IS NOT ACCEPTING MAIL FROM THIS SENDER
Date: 2/4/99 15:13 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990204161327.27091.00000612@ng13.aol.com>
That was ingenious.... Please consider my questions below.
Have experienced your censorship of Bahai-studies, I am not
at all please that you have returned to run AOL's Bahai Forums:
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Date: 2/4/1999 4:05:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
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From: FG@aol.com (FG)
Subject: Re: 12/4/98 Message to Mark Foster
Message-ID: <19990204160430.27091.00000603@ng13.aol.com>
I certainly don't believe a word of it.
Is it now going to be your policy of placing bogus TOS violations
against
anyone with whom you or certain other Bahais disagree with?
Your claiming my other two messages as such is quite revealing, in my
humble
opinion....
Am I allowed to have one? Is anyone?
Please state why you have ignored my repeated appeals during the last
SIX
MONTHS....
Also, is it a violation to ask you to RESIGN
for dericlection of duty? I for one hope you still will and have no
confidence in you whatsoever. Will you allege a TOS against me for saying
so?
Please state your policy regarding the 3 ISSUES....
Will you be manipulating them to the benefit of certain kinds of
Bahais?
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
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Subj: (no subject)
Date: 2/5/1999 2:35:08 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
As in the two previous cases, I have reported your posting as a
possible TOS
violation. It is not my decision as to what is a TOS violation. Your
postings are read and a decision is made (by them, not by me).
You again attack/criticize Susan Maneck and myself.
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Faith Forum Manager
-----
Subject: To Steve Case
Date: 2/4/99 15:30 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990204163020.27436.00000700@ng14.aol.com>
Dear Mr. Case,
I'm forwarding you the message below from the Bahai Forum Leader
who just showed back up yesterday after being gone at least since
early August, 1998, and apparently even for months prior to that.
He's suddenly alleging TOSs against me and apparently threatening
others with them. I've been asking for months for him to RESIGN and
believe the best thing for AOL members is for him to do so. He's a
highly dictatorial personality as I have experienced him on a mailing
list, Bahai-Studies, and should not even be allowed to run AOL's
Bahai Forums, which are definitely manipulated by fundamentalist
Bahais intent on silencing and suppressing others who do not toe
the party line....
Please, please do something NOW to help improve the Bahai Forums
and prevent them from further abuse by Bahais. I suggest you search
the Questions to Forum Leader and Annoucement Folders back to
August to corroborate that I have repeatedly attempted to improve the
manipulation of these Forums by Bahais.
Further, as a paying member, I ask you to fully investigate the
motivations
for placing these bogus TOSs on my account and remove them.
FG
FG@aol.com
------------
Subj: TOS violation
Date: 2/4/1999 12:51:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Another TOS violation. Both of these have been reported to AOL.
Mark Foster
Baha'i Forum Manager
Subject: Why RBCF Mark Foster should resign
Date: 2/4/99 06:25 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990204072511.13073.00000518@ng38.aol.com>
Since early August 1998, I have repeatedly asked
the Forum Leader Mark Foster to improve 3 issues:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai added to Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
The long record of appeals can be found on Questions for
the Forum Leader, Announcements, and For Non-Bahais.
During this entire time, and apparently for months even
prior to August, he has abandoned his duties and
responsibilities as Forum Leader. That is why I emailed him
personally on at least two occasions months ago and have
repeatedly asked for his resignation in public on the Bahai
Forums.
I once again ask Mark Foster to RESIGN and allow
someone else become the Forum Leader. I do not believe
that Mark Foster, nor Susan Maneck, should be trusted
with the position. Mr. Foster has thoroughly proven his
inability and incompetence during the last year. Ms. Maneck
has equally demonstrated her dishonesty and lack of respect
for the principles that undergird AOL--freedom of speech and
conscience by referring on these Message Boards and
elsewhere to people's "garbage" opinions and ideas. Her
demagogic NO vote campaign against talk.religion.bahai
speaks poorly of her commitment to the principles that a
Forum Leader should adhere to not to mention those that
anyone truly worthy of being consider a scholar ought to
uphold.
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Maneck1.htm
Bahais such as Foster and Maneck have abused the
positions of authority when given them. They have and
would run the AOL Forums in the same dictatorial way
that soc.religion.bahai has and is run. I do not care to
pay $21.95 per month for more Bahai censorship of the
3 Issues. People need to understand that the frozen
status quo is better than nothing to Bahai like Foster and
Maneck.
I request all those people who agree to speak up and say
something and support the Petition I have posted in the
past and will repost now.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 5:58 PM
To: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: PL: Plural voices in the wilderness
Date: 2/5/1999 2:18 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Ruletherod
Message-id: <19990205141822.23348.00000014@ng142.aol.com>
>Fred,
>I have been here now for I think around three, maybe four weeks.
I
haven't seen anyone else raise the same issues at all. Are you a
solitary voice crying out in the wilderness? I'm baffled by this. If
there are others here who feel the same, why haven't they also
raised
their voice at least in the last month? --PL
PL,
Since last summer, I've often sung backup vocals for Fred's songs
for
freedom. I've always supported him in principle and still do. But
the
Baha'is think "I'm A Loser" when I do this because I can't hold
a note
like John Lennon. As Lennon said himself, "You wanna save humanity
but
it's people that you just can't stand."
Anyway, It's high time for a new beginning here for everyone, not
just
Fred. I'm sure you'll understand this, PL.
PS--Sunni, you can come back now, if you haven't already. No
hard
feelings, okay? We need unity in true diversity here.
"Talk does not cook rice."
--Chinese proverb
"Every cloud engenders not a storm." --William Shakespeare
"All things excellent are as difficult as they are
rare."
--Benedict Spenoza
"Be ashamed to die until you have
won some victory for mankind."
--Horace Mann
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 6:38 PM
Subject: Bahai Revenge on AOL (Re: Call for Manuscripts -
- New Publisher)
The Bahai Forum "Leader" who has just shown
up after EIGHT MONTHS of doing nothing has
returned to post a couple of vague messages and
then to proceed to frame and drive me off AOL....
No matter what I post he's alleging TOSs against me.
See below.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: TOS
Date: 2/5/1999 2:56:49 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Again, forwarded to TOS. You need to refrain from personal indictments
and
accusations.
Mark Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
-------------
Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
absence.
I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
I have little confidence in you.
Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: TOS
Date: 2/5/1999 2:39:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
And another one reported to TOS
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
-----------
Subject: Re: 12/4/98 Message to Mark Foster
Date: 2/4/99 15:04 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990204160430.27091.00000604@ng13.aol.com>
I certainly don't believe a word of it.
Is it now going to be your policy of placing bogus TOS violations
against
anyone with whom you or certain other Bahais disagree with?
Your claiming my other two messages as such is quite revealing, in my
humble
opinion....
Am I allowed to have one? Is anyone?
Please state why you have ignored my repeated appeals during the last
SIX
MONTHS....
Also, is it a violation to ask you to RESIGN
for dericlection of duty? I for one hope you still will and have no
confidence in you whatsoever. Will you allege a TOS against me for saying
so?
Please state your policy regarding the 3 ISSUES....
Will you be manipulating them to the benefit of certain kinds of
Bahais?
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: TOS
Date: 2/5/1999 2:37:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Again forwarded for possible action.
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
-------------
Subject: rbcfmark IS NOT ACCEPTING MAIL FROM THIS SENDER
Date: 2/4/99 15:13 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990204161327.27091.00000612@ng13.aol.com>
That was ingenious.... Please consider my questions below.
Have experienced your censorship of Bahai-studies, I am not
at all please that you have returned to run AOL's Bahai Forums:
Subj: Returned mail: User unknown
Date: 2/4/1999 4:05:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: MAILER-DAEMON@aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
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From: FG@aol.com (FG)
Subject: Re: 12/4/98 Message to Mark Foster
Message-ID: <19990204160430.27091.00000603@ng13.aol.com>
I certainly don't believe a word of it.
Is it now going to be your policy of placing bogus TOS violations
against
anyone with whom you or certain other Bahais disagree with?
Your claiming my other two messages as such is quite revealing, in my
humble
opinion....
Am I allowed to have one? Is anyone?
Please state why you have ignored my repeated appeals during the last
SIX
MONTHS....
Also, is it a violation to ask you to RESIGN
for dericlection of duty? I for one hope you still will and have no
confidence in you whatsoever. Will you allege a TOS against me for saying
so?
Please state your policy regarding the 3 ISSUES....
Will you be manipulating them to the benefit of certain kinds of
Bahais?
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
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Subj: (no subject)
Date: 2/5/1999 2:35:08 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
As in the two previous cases, I have reported your posting as a
possible TOS
violation. It is not my decision as to what is a TOS violation. Your
postings are read and a decision is made (by them, not by me).
You again attack/criticize Susan Maneck and myself.
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Faith Forum Manager
-----
Subject: To Steve Case
Date: 2/4/99 15:30 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990204163020.27436.00000700@ng14.aol.com>
Dear Mr. Case,
I'm forwarding you the message below from the Bahai Forum Leader
who just showed back up yesterday after being gone at least since
early August, 1998, and apparently even for months prior to that.
He's suddenly alleging TOSs against me and apparently threatening
others with them. I've been asking for months for him to RESIGN and
believe the best thing for AOL members is for him to do so. He's a
highly dictatorial personality as I have experienced him on a mailing
list, Bahai-Studies, and should not even be allowed to run AOL's
Bahai Forums, which are definitely manipulated by fundamentalist
Bahais intent on silencing and suppressing others who do not toe
the party line....
Please, please do something NOW to help improve the Bahai Forums
and prevent them from further abuse by Bahais. I suggest you search
the Questions to Forum Leader and Annoucement Folders back to
August to corroborate that I have repeatedly attempted to improve the
manipulation of these Forums by Bahais.
Further, as a paying member, I ask you to fully investigate the
motivations
for placing these bogus TOSs on my account and remove them.
FG
FG@aol.com
------------
Subj: TOS violation
Date: 2/4/1999 12:51:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Another TOS violation. Both of these have been reported to AOL.
Mark Foster
Baha'i Forum Manager
Subject: Why RBCF Mark Foster should resign
Date: 2/4/99 06:25 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990204072511.13073.00000518@ng38.aol.com>
Since early August 1998, I have repeatedly asked
the Forum Leader Mark Foster to improve 3 issues:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai added to Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
The long record of appeals can be found on Questions for
the Forum Leader, Announcements, and For Non-Bahais.
During this entire time, and apparently for months even
prior to August, he has abandoned his duties and
responsibilities as Forum Leader. That is why I emailed him
personally on at least two occasions months ago and have
repeatedly asked for his resignation in public on the Bahai
Forums.
I once again ask Mark Foster to RESIGN and allow
someone else become the Forum Leader. I do not believe
that Mark Foster, nor Susan Maneck, should be trusted
with the position. Mr. Foster has thoroughly proven his
inability and incompetence during the last year. Ms. Maneck
has equally demonstrated her dishonesty and lack of respect
for the principles that undergird AOL--freedom of speech and
conscience by referring on these Message Boards and
elsewhere to people's "garbage" opinions and ideas. Her
demagogic NO vote campaign against talk.religion.bahai
speaks poorly of her commitment to the principles that a
Forum Leader should adhere to not to mention those that
anyone truly worthy of being consider a scholar ought to
uphold.
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Maneck1.htm
Bahais such as Foster and Maneck have abused the
positions of authority when given them. They have and
would run the AOL Forums in the same dictatorial way
that soc.religion.bahai has and is run. I do not care to
pay $21.95 per month for more Bahai censorship of the
3 Issues. People need to understand that the frozen
status quo is better than nothing to Bahai like Foster and
Maneck.
I request all those people who agree to speak up and say
something and support the Petition I have posted in the
past and will repost now.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: Bahais on AOL (Re: Call for Manuscripts - -
New Publisher)
A message of support from someone else on AOL
and witness to Bahai tactics there:
Subject: PL: Plural voices in the wilderness
Date: 2/5/1999 2:18 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Ruletherod
Message-id: <19990205141822.23348.00000014@ng142.aol.com>
>Fred,
>I have been here now for I think around three, maybe four weeks. I
haven't
seen anyone else raise the same issues at all. Are you a solitary voice
crying out in the wilderness? I'm baffled by this. If there are others
here
who feel the same, why haven't they also raised their voice at least in
the
last month? --PL
PL,
Since last summer, I've often sung backup vocals for Fred's songs for
freedom. I've always supported him in principle and still do. But the
Baha'is think "I'm A Loser" when I do this because I can't hold
a note like
John Lennon. As Lennon said himself, "You wanna save humanity but
it's
people that you just can't stand."
Anyway, It's high time for a new beginning here for everyone, not just
Fred.
I'm sure you'll understand this, PL.
PS--Sunni, you can come back now, if you haven't already. No hard
feelings,
okay? We need unity in true diversity here.
"Talk does not cook rice."
--Chinese proverb
"Every cloud engenders not a storm." --William Shakespeare
"All things excellent are as difficult as they are rare."
--Benedict Spenoza
"Be ashamed to die until you have
won some victory for mankind."
--Horace Mann
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 6:43 PM
Subject: Bahai revenge - censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members
& Bahai censorship)
Meant to post this here on the first try. Sorry.
The Bahai Forum "Leader" who has just shown
up after EIGHT MONTHS of doing nothing has
returned to post a couple of vague messages and
then to proceed to frame and drive me off AOL....
No matter what I post he's alleging TOSs against me.
See below.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: TOS
Date: 2/5/1999 2:56:49 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Again, forwarded to TOS. You need to refrain from personal indictments
and
accusations.
Mark Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
-------------
Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
absence.
I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
I have little confidence in you.
Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: TOS
Date: 2/5/1999 2:39:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
And another one reported to TOS
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
-----------
Subject: Re: 12/4/98 Message to Mark Foster
Date: 2/4/99 15:04 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990204160430.27091.00000604@ng13.aol.com>
I certainly don't believe a word of it.
Is it now going to be your policy of placing bogus TOS violations
against
anyone with whom you or certain other Bahais disagree with?
Your claiming my other two messages as such is quite revealing, in my
humble
opinion....
Am I allowed to have one? Is anyone?
Please state why you have ignored my repeated appeals during the last
SIX
MONTHS....
Also, is it a violation to ask you to RESIGN
for dericlection of duty? I for one hope you still will and have no
confidence in you whatsoever. Will you allege a TOS against me for saying
so?
Please state your policy regarding the 3 ISSUES....
Will you be manipulating them to the benefit of certain kinds of
Bahais?
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: TOS
Date: 2/5/1999 2:37:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Again forwarded for possible action.
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
-------------
Subject: rbcfmark IS NOT ACCEPTING MAIL FROM THIS SENDER
Date: 2/4/99 15:13 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990204161327.27091.00000612@ng13.aol.com>
That was ingenious.... Please consider my questions below.
Have experienced your censorship of Bahai-studies, I am not
at all please that you have returned to run AOL's Bahai Forums:
Subj: Returned mail: User unknown
Date: 2/4/1999 4:05:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: MAILER-DAEMON@aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
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From: FG@aol.com (FG)
Subject: Re: 12/4/98 Message to Mark Foster
Message-ID: <19990204160430.27091.00000603@ng13.aol.com>
I certainly don't believe a word of it.
Is it now going to be your policy of placing bogus TOS violations
against
anyone with whom you or certain other Bahais disagree with?
Your claiming my other two messages as such is quite revealing, in my
humble
opinion....
Am I allowed to have one? Is anyone?
Please state why you have ignored my repeated appeals during the last
SIX
MONTHS....
Also, is it a violation to ask you to RESIGN
for dericlection of duty? I for one hope you still will and have no
confidence in you whatsoever. Will you allege a TOS against me for saying
so?
Please state your policy regarding the 3 ISSUES....
Will you be manipulating them to the benefit of certain kinds of
Bahais?
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
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FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: (no subject)
Date: 2/5/1999 2:35:08 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
As in the two previous cases, I have reported your posting as a
possible TOS
violation. It is not my decision as to what is a TOS violation. Your
postings are read and a decision is made (by them, not by me).
You again attack/criticize Susan Maneck and myself.
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Faith Forum Manager
-----
Subject: To Steve Case
Date: 2/4/99 15:30 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990204163020.27436.00000700@ng14.aol.com>
Dear Mr. Case,
I'm forwarding you the message below from the Bahai Forum Leader
who just showed back up yesterday after being gone at least since
early August, 1998, and apparently even for months prior to that.
He's suddenly alleging TOSs against me and apparently threatening
others with them. I've been asking for months for him to RESIGN and
believe the best thing for AOL members is for him to do so. He's a
highly dictatorial personality as I have experienced him on a mailing
list, Bahai-Studies, and should not even be allowed to run AOL's
Bahai Forums, which are definitely manipulated by fundamentalist
Bahais intent on silencing and suppressing others who do not toe
the party line....
Please, please do something NOW to help improve the Bahai Forums
and prevent them from further abuse by Bahais. I suggest you search
the Questions to Forum Leader and Annoucement Folders back to
August to corroborate that I have repeatedly attempted to improve the
manipulation of these Forums by Bahais.
Further, as a paying member, I ask you to fully investigate the
motivations
for placing these bogus TOSs on my account and remove them.
FG
FG@aol.com
------------
Subj: TOS violation
Date: 2/4/1999 12:51:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Another TOS violation. Both of these have been reported to AOL.
Mark Foster
Baha'i Forum Manager
Subject: Why RBCF Mark Foster should resign
Date: 2/4/99 06:25 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990204072511.13073.00000518@ng38.aol.com>
Since early August 1998, I have repeatedly asked
the Forum Leader Mark Foster to improve 3 issues:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai added to Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
The long record of appeals can be found on Questions for
the Forum Leader, Announcements, and For Non-Bahais.
During this entire time, and apparently for months even
prior to August, he has abandoned his duties and
responsibilities as Forum Leader. That is why I emailed him
personally on at least two occasions months ago and have
repeatedly asked for his resignation in public on the Bahai
Forums.
I once again ask Mark Foster to RESIGN and allow
someone else become the Forum Leader. I do not believe
that Mark Foster, nor Susan Maneck, should be trusted
with the position. Mr. Foster has thoroughly proven his
inability and incompetence during the last year. Ms. Maneck
has equally demonstrated her dishonesty and lack of respect
for the principles that undergird AOL--freedom of speech and
conscience by referring on these Message Boards and
elsewhere to people's "garbage" opinions and ideas. Her
demagogic NO vote campaign against talk.religion.bahai
speaks poorly of her commitment to the principles that a
Forum Leader should adhere to not to mention those that
anyone truly worthy of being consider a scholar ought to
uphold.
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Maneck1.htm
Bahais such as Foster and Maneck have abused the
positions of authority when given them. They have and
would run the AOL Forums in the same dictatorial way
that soc.religion.bahai has and is run. I do not care to
pay $21.95 per month for more Bahai censorship of the
3 Issues. People need to understand that the frozen
status quo is better than nothing to Bahai like Foster and
Maneck.
I request all those people who agree to speak up and say
something and support the Petition I have posted in the
past and will repost now.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 1999 7:28 AM
To: ShawnnaT@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com; HostMgr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Receipt for Fwd: TOS violation
Dear ShawnaT
Sorry to have to bother you again. Please inform me to
whom I should be writing. Be sure to include their email
address so that I can reach them. The last message you
told me more than a month ago you were forwarding to
the proper person but no one has ever followed up on it
which has forced me to write you again.
I'm cc the hostmgr in case he can help with my and
other AOL members' concerns with the Bahai Forums.
Thank you for your patience and help.
FG
FG@aol.com
Subj: Bahai Forums - Why Susan Maneck should be made Message Board
Manager
Date: 12/16/1998 7:12:29 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: FG
To: ShawnnaT
CC: FG
Shawnna T
Office of the Chairman
Dear Shawnna,
Thank you for acknowledging my message to Mr. Case.
I appreciate your re-routing it to the appropriate person
as AOL and I look forward to hearing from him or her.
Since my original message to you efforts by some Bahais
to use the AOL forums to undermine the Usenet system
of interest polling on talk.religion.bahai have only increased,
especially by Susan Maneck. It's a very complicated
situation with a long and tulmultous history on AOL.
I trust the person you're referring me to will have the
patience and tenacity to help improve the Bahai Forums.
Respectfully,
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm Talk.religion.bahai voter
ballot is on news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.religion.bahai,
or email the votetaker dave@dogwood.com requesting the "trb
CFV."
------
Subj: Bahai Forums - Why Susan Maneck should be made Message Board Manager
Date: 12/15/1998 9:43:39 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: Steve Case
To: FG
Dear FG,
I am responding to your letter on behalf of Steve Case. Thank you for
taking
the time to write to us.
We appreciate member feedback because it is the best way for us to
know what
we are doing right -- and what we could do better.
I have passed your comments to the appropriate person at America
Online.
Please feel free to write us again at any time.
Sincerely,
Shawnna T
Office of the Chairman
-------------------------
Dear Mr. Case:
The continuing serious negelect of the Bahai Forums
would not be solved in the best interest of all AOL members
by appointing Susan Maneck. My experience with her on a
scholar mailing list h-bahai at the University of Michigan and
her recent attacks on the creation of talk.religion.bahai on
Usenet convince me that she would not be a fair arbiter. She
has recently threatened to violate Usenet interest poll custom
by calling for a NO vote against the proposed newsgroup
talk.religion.bahai, which has been defeated in the past by
a massive NO vote campaign mounted by other Bahais in a
similar fashion: https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Towfiq.htm
I hope you will help find a solution to prevent another such Bahai
from having control over the free speech and conscience of AOL
members.
Specifically she has continued to ignore my and others' concerns
about 3 key areas. I've clipped them out of the REVISED PETITION:
alt.religion.bahai and any new future newsgroups on the Bahai
Faith, such as talk.religion.bahai, should it pass, ought to be
added to the list of available Newsgroups under Bahai
Libraries should finally function and accept all postings to them
of any point of view uncensored by the Forum Leader.
Such web sites as FG's The Bahai Faith &
Religious Freedom of Conscience should be added to Links
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm and any other
link suggested by an AOL member ought to be automatically
added to the list and not censored for religious reasons.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm Talk.religion.bahai voter
ballot is on news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.religion.bahai,
or email the votetaker dave@dogwood.com requesting the "trb
CFV."
-----Original Message-----
From: Fran Baker <fran@crhc.uiuc.edu>
To: FG@hotmail.com <FG@hotmail.com>;
fbaker@ncsa.uiuc.edu
<fbaker@ncsa.uiuc.edu>; house@usq.edu.au <house@usq.edu.au>;
johnwalker@ozemail.com.au <johnwalker@ozemail.com.au>;
fran@amber.crhc.uiuc.edu <fran@amber.crhc.uiuc.edu>;
smaneck@stetson.edu
<smaneck@stetson.edu>; rdsteph@ibm.net <rdsteph@ibm.net>
Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 5:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Fwd: talk.religion.bahai]
>Resending this to all due to a typo I made in Susan's email
address.
>--Fran
>
>Fran Baker wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, Susan, but sometimes an appeal to courtesy is not
appropriate.
>> I have to let my coproponents know what you are planning to do.
>> I can't believe you are letting a personality conflict resulting
>> from a passionate disagreement color your judgment in what is
>> essentially a human rights issue. You have crossed a line
here.
>>
>> --Fran
>>
>> PS Who is rdsteph@ibm.net? Hi, whoever you are!
>>
>>
---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Subject: talk.religion.bahai
>> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:31:28 -0500
>> From: "Susan Maneck " <smaneck@stetson.edu>
>> To: rdsteph@ibm.net
>> CC: Fran Baker <fran@crhc.uiuc.edu>
>>
>> Dear Ron and Fran,
>>
>> I am seriously contemplating calling for a "no" vote on
>> talk.religion.bahai. I wanted to contact you first and explain to
you
>> my rationale because I know this is something you have both
>> worked hard for. In the past I have not participated in the votes
at
>> all. I wouldn't vote for it because I wanted nothing to do with a
list
>> promoted by Fred and I felt that there ought to be the requisite
>> number of 150 truly interested individuals to form it. On the
other
>> hand, I would not vote now because I thought it wrong because I
>> did not think that an unmoderated list should be opposed in
>> principle. Now, however, I find the manner in which Fred is going
>> about seeking to establish this list to be more than I can
stomach
>> and publicly calling for a "no" vote appears to be the
only way to
>> register the extent of our outrage against this kind of
behaviour.
>> What I refer to specifically is the campaign of slander and
calumny
>> against not only the Institutions, but against myself and
the Bahai
>> Studies list. As you know, he accuses this list and me of
>> censorship, which you yourself know is not true. He is also
trying
>> to prevent my managing the Baha'i Message Board of AOL for the
>> same reason. He constantly spams that Board making any
>> genuine discussions virtually impossible.
>>
>> I'm going to sit on this a couple of days and give myself a
cooling
>> off period before taking any action, but I've really had it
"up to here"
>> with this jerk.
>>
>> Please do me the courtesy of not forwarding this message to Fred
>> (although you may convey my sentiments and my intentions). I do
>> not care to see it up in his website tomorrow.
>>
>> warmest, Susan
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 1999 9:32 AM
To: hostmgr@aol.com
Subject: Bahai revenge - LISTSERV attack ( censorship on AOL (Re: 14+
million AOL members & Bahai censorship))
Fanatic Bahais have subscribed me to several listservs,
including yours, that are flooding my account with email.
This is apparently being done by Bahais in conjunction
with a simultaneously attempt to have me removed from
AOL by Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster in retaliation
for my role in helping to create an unmoderated forum on
Usenet, talk.religion.bahai, which they opposed for more
than two years.
If you are the listowner or can help, please remove my
address from your list of subscribers.
FG@hotmail.com
owner-java-com@DISCUSS.MICROSOFT.COM
Java-COM@DISCUSS.MICROSOFT.COM
LINGUIST@LINGUIST.LDC.UPENN.EDU
LISTSERV@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
linguist@linguistlist.org
PENNSYLVANIA-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
owner-pennsylvania-roots-l@listserv.indiana.edu
DEEP-SOUTH-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
----------
From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 8:23 AM
To: RBCFMark@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com; HostMgr@aol.com
Subject: Re: reply
Subj: reply
Date: 2/7/1999 3:07:54 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:RBCF Mark">RBCF Mark</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
In a message dated 02/07/1999 08:23:55 Central Standard Time,
FG
writes:
> I do not believe it is a TOS. Bahais regularly on the AOL Forums
accuse other Bahais of being covenant breakers or worse and
treat non-Bahais in extremely negative ways. Are you calling
those people to account? I highly doubt it.<
I haven't seen these things go on since I have been back. However, if
it
happens, I will have to consider whether I feel it falls under the
guidelines.
Susan Maneck has referred to my beliefs and opinions as
"garbage." Will you be supporting such denigrating,
derisive
statements on the Bahai Forums by Bahais you deem within
the pale?
> I asked three questions. Your answers are quite ambiguous.
When will you recommend alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai
be added to the main menu of the Bahai Forums?<
I make my report once a week. Next report that goes out.
Will you make your report public so that all people may
see what you're actually submitting? As I have said,
I have no confidence in you whatsoever and ask you to
post all of your side of our correspondence in public
on Questions to Forum Leader, where I originally posted
mine.
> Your answer about the Libraries misses the point. They do not
function now nor allow anyone to upload to them? When will
they be corrected so that people of all opinions may post
whatever they wish?<
Anyone can upload to the libraries. However, the forum manager must
check all
files for viruses and TOS violations before "releasing" them. I
have never not
released a file (at least not yet).
Are they presently working properly? The first and only
message shown is dated January 1998. If there is a
technical problem with the way I am uploading to them,
please inform me so that I and other may immediately
upload to them. Under what conditions would you refuse
not to release a file? Will you be censoring the Libraries
for content?
>You do not answer my third question: Will you add a link to
my website the Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
to the Web Sites on the main Forum menu? Will you allow
other people to add their links as well regardless of their
views?<
I am not sure about that one. There are so many Baha'i websites. I
have a few,
and they are not listed either. Some decision needs to be made on how to
handle it. For what it's worth, I would rather have a link to a central
links
page from which someone could access all sorts of Baha'i-focused sites.
I'm a paying member of AOL. I'm asking for MY link to be placed
on the list of Web Sites. I oppose adding only "central links
pages"
as I believe that will be tantamount to another form of censorship
whereby only literalists and party-liners will be added. I specifically
asked you that ALL links be added regardless of their point of
view on the Bahai Faith. Obviously, sites not related to the Bahai
Faith would not be appropriate and it is reasonable to limit such links
to the topic. Again, a "central page" would be off-site, i.e.,
off AOL
and manipulated by Bahais. I once more ask that MY link be added
to the list of Web Sites immediately.
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
> I asked you these questions in public under Question to Forum
Leader. Please answer there in public so that others might know
your policies as well.<
Feel free to post my responses to the forum, if you like.
I will post these exchanges there. In the future, please post
them in the proper folder where I have posted and asked you
the questions--Questions to Forum Leader. Please do not
change to private email. I believe these are questions taht
broadly affect the Bahai Forums on AOL and should be
discussed in public where other AOL members may
contribute and follow along.
Mark Foster,
Baha'i Forum Manager
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
One of the problems with Bahais is their inability to
recognize sarcasm when they read it.... Not to mention
no sense of humor. My intent was to emphasize the
absurdity of Mark Foster's axing people left and right.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Smaneck wrote in message
<19990207124845.06674.00001304@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
>Fred has been forwarding Ruletherod's messages here in an attempt to
suggest
>that there are others on the AOL Message Board that share his
obsessions.
With
>Rule's permission I thought I would forward his latest post here:
>
>Subject: Fred's request for TOS
>Date: 2/7/99 2:16 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Ruletherod
>Message-id: <19990207021602.29402.00000796@ng39.aol.com>
>
>>Both participants below, under the returned Forum Leader's
approach,
should be
>charged with a TOS for OFF-TOPIC discussion. Nothing they say clearly
relates
>to "For Non-Baha'is" only or the Bahai Faith:
>
>Rule & Sunni
>
>
>--Fred Glaysher
>
>Thanks Fred. I would never have requested this about you, no matter
what
might
>you have to say.
>
>Everything Sunni and I have said has to do with this folder--directly
or
>indirectly--even when we don't mention the words
"non-Baha'i" or "Baha'i"
in
>our postings. The fact that I'm even posting here with Baha'is in my
>self-proclaimed status as a "non-Baha'i" gives me a ticket
to ride.
>
>Anyway, that's what I think. You do still support my free speech
rights, do
you
>not? If not, are you willing to give up yours also?
>
>Do you always cut off your friends once they put away their
explosives? I
told
>you that I'm not keen on board politics. You are taking this
personally.
>--Rule
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Susan Stiles Maneck
>History, Stetson University
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 8:33 PM
To: ruletherod@aol.com
Subject: Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
One of the problems with Bahais is their inability to
recognize sarcasm when they read it.... Not to mention
no sense of humor. My intent was to emphasize the
absurdity of Mark Foster's axing people left and right.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Smaneck wrote in message
<19990207124845.06674.00001304@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
>Fred has been forwarding Ruletherod's messages here in an attempt to
suggest
>that there are others on the AOL Message Board that share his
obsessions.
With
>Rule's permission I thought I would forward his latest post here:
>
>Subject: Fred's request for TOS
>Date: 2/7/99 2:16 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Ruletherod
>Message-id: <19990207021602.29402.00000796@ng39.aol.com>
>
>>Both participants below, under the returned Forum Leader's
approach,
should be
>charged with a TOS for OFF-TOPIC discussion. Nothing they say clearly
relates
>to "For Non-Baha'is" only or the Bahai Faith:
>
>Rule & Sunni
>
>
>--Fred Glaysher
>
>Thanks Fred. I would never have requested this about you, no matter
what
might
>you have to say.
>
>Everything Sunni and I have said has to do with this folder--directly
or
>indirectly--even when we don't mention the words
"non-Baha'i" or "Baha'i"
in
>our postings. The fact that I'm even posting here with Baha'is in my
>self-proclaimed status as a "non-Baha'i" gives me a ticket
to ride.
>
>Anyway, that's what I think. You do still support my free speech
rights, do
you
>not? If not, are you willing to give up yours also?
>
>Do you always cut off your friends once they put away their
explosives? I
told
>you that I'm not keen on board politics. You are taking this
personally.
>--Rule
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Susan Stiles Maneck
>History, Stetson University
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
The 3 Issues have become 2 since Mark Foster the
Bahai Forum Leader has suddenly repaired the upload
feature though he doesn't have the tools to do so and
the Libraries have been out of commission since January
of 1998....
1. Add alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai to the list
on the main menu with soc.religoin.bahai
2. Add my website link to the Web Sites along with any
that anyone of any point of view wishes to place
there.
Mark's a great guy. We owe him so much already. I guess there
is a chance AOL might not have to kick him out as it did with
the last Bahai who was "Forum Leader," someone named
Vahid who was given to accusing people of being covenant
breakers left and right.... Also, Mark has said he won't censor
uploads on the basis of content. So I guess it's all sweetness
and light now that my uploads from August 1998 have just
appeared on AOL!
I wonder how long it will take for my uploads tonight to appear:
The Service of Women, A Modest Proposal, Crisis of Faith,
and my exchanges with the BCCA pleading with them to
restrain the fundamentalists on Bahai-Discuss during the 2nd
interest poll for talk.religion.bahai.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: hmoghadd@bu.edu[SMTP:hmoghadd@bu.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 2:42 PM
To: FG
Subject: Re: Bahai Revenge on AOL (Re: Call for Manuscripts - - New Publisher)
In article <79frrs$287o@news3.newsguy.com> you wrote:
: The Bahai Forum "Leader" who has just shown
: up after EIGHT MONTHS of doing nothing has
: returned to post a couple of vague messages and
: then to proceed to frame and drive me off AOL....
: No matter what I post he's alleging TOSs against me.
: See below.
: FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
: https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
: alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
: Subj: TOS
: Date: 2/5/1999 2:56:49 PM Eastern Standard Time
: From: RBCF Mark
: To: FG
: Again, forwarded to TOS. You need to refrain from personal
indictments and
: accusations.
: Mark Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
: -------------
: Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
: You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
: absence.
: I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
: alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
Newsgroups
: on the main Bahai Forum Menu
: Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
: uncensored by Bahais.
: My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
: added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
: https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
: Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
: fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
: because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
: been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
: years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
: been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
: may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
: here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
: people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
: I have little confidence in you.
: Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
: FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
: https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
: alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
: Subj: TOS
: Date: 2/5/1999 2:39:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
: From: RBCF Mark
: To: FG
: And another one reported to TOS
: Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
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: Subject: Re: 12/4/98 Message to Mark Foster
: Date: 2/4/99 15:04 Central Standard Time
: From: FG
: Message-id: <19990204160430.27091.00000604@ng13.aol.com>
: I certainly don't believe a word of it.
: Is it now going to be your policy of placing bogus TOS violations
against
: anyone with whom you or certain other Bahais disagree with?
: Your claiming my other two messages as such is quite revealing, in
my humble
: opinion....
: Am I allowed to have one? Is anyone?
: Please state why you have ignored my repeated appeals during the
last SIX
: MONTHS....
: Also, is it a violation to ask you to RESIGN
: for dericlection of duty? I for one hope you still will and have no
: confidence in you whatsoever. Will you allege a TOS against me for
saying
: so?
: Please state your policy regarding the 3 ISSUES....
: Will you be manipulating them to the benefit of certain kinds of
Bahais?
: FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
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: Subj: TOS
: Date: 2/5/1999 2:37:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
: From: RBCF Mark
: To: FG
: Again forwarded for possible action.
: Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
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: Subject: rbcfmark IS NOT ACCEPTING MAIL FROM THIS SENDER
: Date: 2/4/99 15:13 Central Standard Time
: From: FG
: Message-id: <19990204161327.27091.00000612@ng13.aol.com>
: That was ingenious.... Please consider my questions below.
: Have experienced your censorship of Bahai-studies, I am not
: at all please that you have returned to run AOL's Bahai Forums:
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: Date: 2/4/1999 4:05:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
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: The original message was received at Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:04:28 -0500
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: From: FG@aol.com (FG)
: Subject: Re: 12/4/98 Message to Mark Foster
: Message-ID: <19990204160430.27091.00000603@ng13.aol.com>
: I certainly don't believe a word of it.
: Is it now going to be your policy of placing bogus TOS violations
against
: anyone with whom you or certain other Bahais disagree with?
: Your claiming my other two messages as such is quite revealing, in
my humble
: opinion....
: Am I allowed to have one? Is anyone?
: Please state why you have ignored my repeated appeals during the
last SIX
: MONTHS....
: Also, is it a violation to ask you to RESIGN
: for dericlection of duty? I for one hope you still will and have no
: confidence in you whatsoever. Will you allege a TOS against me for
saying
: so?
: Please state your policy regarding the 3 ISSUES....
: Will you be manipulating them to the benefit of certain kinds of
Bahais?
: FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
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: FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
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: https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
: alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
: Subj: (no subject)
: Date: 2/5/1999 2:35:08 PM Eastern Standard Time
: From: RBCF Mark
: To: FG
: As in the two previous cases, I have reported your posting as a
possible TOS
: violation. It is not my decision as to what is a TOS violation. Your
: postings are read and a decision is made (by them, not by me).
: You again attack/criticize Susan Maneck and myself.
: Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Faith Forum Manager
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: Subject: To Steve Case
: Date: 2/4/99 15:30 Central Standard Time
: From: FG
: Message-id: <19990204163020.27436.00000700@ng14.aol.com>
: Dear Mr. Case,
: I'm forwarding you the message below from the Bahai Forum Leader
: who just showed back up yesterday after being gone at least since
: early August, 1998, and apparently even for months prior to that.
: He's suddenly alleging TOSs against me and apparently threatening
: others with them. I've been asking for months for him to RESIGN and
: believe the best thing for AOL members is for him to do so. He's a
: highly dictatorial personality as I have experienced him on a mailing
: list, Bahai-Studies, and should not even be allowed to run AOL's
: Bahai Forums, which are definitely manipulated by fundamentalist
: Bahais intent on silencing and suppressing others who do not toe
: the party line....
: Please, please do something NOW to help improve the Bahai Forums
: and prevent them from further abuse by Bahais. I suggest you search
: the Questions to Forum Leader and Annoucement Folders back to
: August to corroborate that I have repeatedly attempted to improve the
: manipulation of these Forums by Bahais.
: Further, as a paying member, I ask you to fully investigate the
motivations
: for placing these bogus TOSs on my account and remove them.
: FG
: FG@aol.com
: ------------
: Subj: TOS violation
: Date: 2/4/1999 12:51:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
: From: RBCF Mark
: To: FG
: Another TOS violation. Both of these have been reported to AOL.
: Mark Foster
: Baha'i Forum Manager
: Subject: Why RBCF Mark Foster should resign
: Date: 2/4/99 06:25 Central Standard Time
: From: FG
: Message-id: <19990204072511.13073.00000518@ng38.aol.com>
: Since early August 1998, I have repeatedly asked
: the Forum Leader Mark Foster to improve 3 issues:
: alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai added to Newsgroups
: on the main Bahai Forum Menu
: Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
: uncensored by Bahais.
: My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
: added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
: https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm
: The long record of appeals can be found on Questions for
: the Forum Leader, Announcements, and For Non-Bahais.
: During this entire time, and apparently for months even
: prior to August, he has abandoned his duties and
: responsibilities as Forum Leader. That is why I emailed him
: personally on at least two occasions months ago and have
: repeatedly asked for his resignation in public on the Bahai
: Forums.
: I once again ask Mark Foster to RESIGN and allow
: someone else become the Forum Leader. I do not believe
: that Mark Foster, nor Susan Maneck, should be trusted
: with the position. Mr. Foster has thoroughly proven his
: inability and incompetence during the last year. Ms. Maneck
: has equally demonstrated her dishonesty and lack of respect
: for the principles that undergird AOL--freedom of speech and
: conscience by referring on these Message Boards and
: elsewhere to people's "garbage" opinions and ideas. Her
: demagogic NO vote campaign against talk.religion.bahai
: speaks poorly of her commitment to the principles that a
: Forum Leader should adhere to not to mention those that
: anyone truly worthy of being consider a scholar ought to
: uphold.
: https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Maneck1.htm
: Bahais such as Foster and Maneck have abused the
: positions of authority when given them. They have and
: would run the AOL Forums in the same dictatorial way
: that soc.religion.bahai has and is run. I do not care to
: pay $21.95 per month for more Bahai censorship of the
: 3 Issues. People need to understand that the frozen
: status quo is better than nothing to Bahai like Foster and
: Maneck.
: I request all those people who agree to speak up and say
: something and support the Petition I have posted in the
: past and will repost now.
: FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
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--
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hmoghadd@acs.bu.edu
https://acs.bu.edu:8001/~hmoghadd/
&
check out the Boston University Baha'i Club Home Page
https://acs.bu.edu:8001/~bahai/
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: An apology to Fred
Smaneck wrote in message
<19990209140159.01038.00000263@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
>It appears I may owe Fred an apology.
I do not consider an apology from Ms. Maneck of any
value.... She has repeatedly demonstrated she has no
integrity and is readily willing to sink to slander and
demagoguery to further her fundamentalist aims. She
repeatedly betrayed the academic standards of discourse
she purports to respect, when it suited her designs, by
referring to my opinions as "garbage" and is now bent on
concealing the evidence:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Maneck1.htm
All this deceit clearly flows, I suppose, from her
interpretation
of Bahai "hikmat."
https://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~saf/bahai/docs/hikmat.html
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 9:16 AM
To: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Libraries NOW FUNCTIONING
<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>What Wendy is not
revealing here is her attempt to coerce and manipulate me through
"private" email.... A common Bahai tactic.... This is what she's
seeking to conceal....
Bahai censorship:
>Subject: Re: Libraries NOW FUNCTIONING
>Date: 2/10/1999 2:51 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: WScott1995
>Message-id: <19990210145141.04394.00000030@ng-fx1.aol.com>
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>Mark,
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>>>>As to your site, I made a request of you that you provide
evidence that
>the people you quote from (some of whom have indicated on this forum
that
>they wish to be removed from your site) have given you their
permission to be
>quoted.
>
>I'm not sure who you're talking about here, but Fred put a private
email of
>mine on his website without my permission. Since there didn't seem to
be any
>point in asking him to remove it since he probably wouldn't listen to
me
>anyway, I didn't. But I resent this action on his part and consider it
>unethical in the extreme. I don't see why his site should be on the
AOL list
>when there are Baha'i sites that are
>much more productive of what the Faith is really about that aren't on
the AOL
>list.
>_____________________________
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 1999 7:40 AM
Subject: The Maneck Technique
Juan Cole, February 13, 1999:
"It is a very, very, very weird
religion. And if anyone is reading Susan Maneck's absolutely
bone-chilling
screeds on the desirability of Heresy Trials and carefulness in Shunning,
they are seeing what it is like at the core of the religion."
"I really am sorry for them and her, since they seem sort of
filled with
hate
and quite paranoid, yet say they are preaching love, unity and tolerance.
Susan will say, 'may your abdomen be split by lightning and your guts fall
out you filthy heretic whom I wish I could just have shunned and buried',
and
then she'll sign herself "warmest" and slander a
university by adding it
to
her sig line. As if what she is about has anything at all to do with
*universities*!"
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:08 AM
To: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Re: Who is
Mark Foster?
>Date: 2/14/1999 1:02 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Smaneck
>Message-id: <19990214130206.20954.00002224@ng-fi1.aol.com>
>
>Christine asks:
>
>>Dearest Mr. Foster,
>>Who are you?
>>What is your authority?
>
>If I can answer for Dr. Foster. He is a professor of sociology at
Johnson
>City Community College. He is hired by the head of the spirituality
forums to
>manage the Baha'i forum. Dr. Foster is a Baha'i. The leaders of each
forum
>typically belong to the religion in question since the forums are
designed to
>support each religion.
He's paid MONEY for what he's doing!!!
>
>>Isn't this a Non-Baha'i board? Shouldn't a Non-bahi be in
charge?
>
>Christine, we've been through this before.
Her point should not be brushed aside. It's a valid question, one I
support. Two previous Bahais have demonstrated they could not be fair
Forum Leaders and were dismissed by AOL. Speaking as a Bahai, I believe
Foster has already shown he is not playing fairly....
This is a non-Baha'i folder on the
>Baha'i Board. It is *not* a non-Baha'i Board. As such it is still
bound by
>the TOS rules for spirituality forums which I placed up before.
Folders do
>not have separate people in charge. The description of the folder is
>misleading and we have not been able to get that changed as yet. But
TOS
>rules still apply regardless of how the folder is described.
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>warmest,
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>Susan Maneck
What is the name and address of the Spiritual ity Forum Leader who has
hired Mark Foster?
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:17 AM
To: chrrrstine@aol.com; FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Christine - TOS problems
<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Re:
Christine - TOS problems
>Date: 2/15/1999 4:10 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Chrrrstine
>Message-id: <19990215041017.20966.00003093@ng-fi1.aol.com>
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>Sunni, You Wrote,
>>Christine
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>>If you sincerely feel that Baha'is are violating AOL TOS then you
should
>>report them. AOL will make the decision if it is truly a
violation or not.
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>>You don't have to sit back and wait for someone else to do it if
you think
>it
>>should be done. Just got to keyword: notify AOL and follow
the
>instructions.
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>>Sunni
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>Sunni, A lot of Baha'is know about the double standard. It happened on
a
>Crowded day. I Do not believe in TOSing people (Unless threatened) or
>ignoring people. I am confident to stand on my ability to defend my
beliefs.
>I wish only to be treated fairly by the online Baha'i community.
Although I
>am slowly realizing that Fairness on this forum is impossible.
>Love,
>Christine
You're quite right.... Bahais are not playing fairly here and are
abusing the TOS system.
You can write the hostmgr@aol.com and TOSBoards1@aol.com about this
fact if you like. I urge others concerned about the manner in which Mark
Foster is hitting people with false TOSs to make their views known to AOL.
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:42 AM
To: mrmahdi@aol.com; FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Re:
Getting TOSsed in the slammer
>Date: 2/15/1999 4:51 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Mr Mahdi
>Message-id: <19990215165123.11988.00002094@ng103.aol.com>
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>Too bad you and Mark were the only ones that saw the post before yours
truly
>yanked them off the third time. 3 of my post were yanked off,
and I am being
>seriuos this time, I found my posts as one of most "mild"
posts I writen.
>The post you just read was yanked because it didnt fit a post that
belonged
>to a "support" forum. Oh well, like your posts are
supporting and praising
>mines. I see the typical double-standard
>going on here.
>Mahdi
AOL does provide for a system of TOS appeal. Write TOSBoards1@aol.com
regarding the double standards that are now being used to drive people off
these Boards. The hostmgr@aol.com should hear your views.
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:52 AM
To: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Re:
Getting TOSsed in the slammer
>Date: 2/15/1999 6:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Mr Mahdi
>Message-id: <19990215183807.27160.00002246@ng35.aol.com>
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>>It is not a double standard, Mahdi. It is a recognition that this
is the
>>Baha'i Forum. There is also an Islamic forum. If I went to that
forum and
>>attempted to promote the Baha'i Faith or its Teachings as
preferable,
>better,
>>or (whatever term you choose), that would be TOSable, as well.
>
>This time I was responding to Susan calling me a joke and Wendy's use
of
>racism in the chats to tick me off. I wasnt in this post
unfortunately
>trying to invite people to Islam. But it is very clear that you
allow bahais
>to talk about non bahais in a bad way like Mike talking about gays and
Wendy
>talking about indoor plumbing, but when I respond to these comments I
get
>blacklisted. I want you to repost the posts you yanked off and
let the
>people
>here decide if a transgressed the limits of "TOS."
>Mahdi
Mahdi makes a valid point here. Wendy and other people of opinions
other than those that could be characterized as liberal are allowe to say
and do what they wish.... There is a double standard.
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 10:02 AM
To: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Regarding the Threads
<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>This is then the root
of problem. There should be another Forum Leader or a second one to
counterbalance this one.... It's obivious given AOL having to fire Vahid
and Edmund that this structure does not work right for the Bahai Forums.
Changing the personality makes no difference....
>Subject: Re: Regarding the Threads
>Date: 2/16/1999 6:47 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: RBCF Mark
>Message-id: <19990216064731.29402.00001406@ng-ch1.aol.com>
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>PL, the decision is made only by myself, as forum manager.
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>Sincerely, Mark A. Foster
>Bahá'í Faith Forum Manager
>https://www.markfoster.net
>https://markfoster.org
>https://bahai.nu
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From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 10:57 AM
To: Nadle@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
He's been doing the same thing to me and several
other people who don't share the fundamentalist
mindset. I've spoken with an AOL person regarding the
whole situation. We can appeal the false TOSs by
writing the TOSBoard1@aol.com and hostmgr@aol.com.
I've just forwarded a dozen or more messages from various
people complaining now in For Non-Bahais to the above
addresses and suggest you write them as soon as you can
so that they hear from someone else. You know the literalists
have and will make me out to be a lone kook otherwise. I
Encourage others to do the same. AOL woke up in the past
and got ride of Vahid and Edmund, former "Forum Leaders."
We can depend on them to do the right thing with Mark Foster
too but have to be patient and make the extra effort to inform
them what he's really doing now on AOL.
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Subj: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
Date: 2/18/1999 9:26:24 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: nadle@aol.com (Nadle)
To: FG@aol.com
Fred,
I'm getting really ticked off with Mark's censorship.
I was wrong and you, it turns out, have been right.
I wasnt to send a complaint to AOL about Mark. He's pulled
several of my
posts and forwarded them to TOS. TOS, however, have blown him off.
When I repost those deleted posts, he yanks them again, and
forwards them -
yet again - to TOS.
What do I do?
Thank you for the information.
Sincerely,
Larry Rhodes
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From: Smaneck[SMTP:smaneck@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 3:17 PM
To: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
Fred writes:
>I highly doubt the veracity of the
>claim that he was so sick.
What do you need Fred, a doctors excuse?
>Regardless, I repeatedly emailed
>directly to him and requested that he resign, a request he's
>always ignored.
The nerve of Mark! When Fred issues a demand like that Mark
should comply
immediately.
>Ms. Maneck herself referred to my opinions on AOL a number
>of times as "garbage."
And nobody else would *ever* charaterize the litter you spam these
lists with
in that manner.
Susan Stiles Maneck
History, Stetson University
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From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 4:23 PM
To: MrMahdi@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
Sure. Send them to me and I'll post them to
talk.religion.bahai too if it's okay with you.
I'm assuming you just received my post asking
people to write to the hostmgr@aol.com and
complain about Foster hitting everyone with
false TOSs. It's possible to remove, and I for one
believe it should be done....
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:12 AM
To: ccrawfeild@aol.com; FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Christine - TOS problems
<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Zaynab,
>Please do not refer to me as a enemy of the Baha'i. I have never said
that.
>If you do so again, please state it as your opinion.
Why isn't Mark Foster hitting Zaynab with a TOS, if he's a fair
player?
>2 As I stated in my censored post. I have not used profanity, on
the chat
>boards.( other than one letter followed by **** after a two hour
barrage of
>accusations) I have never been TOSed for doing that. I have witnessed
Baha'i
>use The F-word and not get TOSed. I asked the many baha'i in the room
if they
>TOSed the comment and They did not reply. So maybe this is an
assumption. But
>in my opinion You should be more tolerant of differing views on this
>board. It would make for more lively chat, and it would also show
seekers
>that you could withstand the tough questions that the
"world" religions (of
>which you want to be considered) Have to face every single day all
over the
>world.
>I feel this board and the people in the chat rooms are looking at
every move
>I make with a micro- scope, just waiting for me to violate TOS and
report me.
>I guess that is to be exeted, fine, you have the rules on your side,
but if
>you do not hold other people up to the same standards that you hold me
up to,
>then it seems obvious it is because I like to let seekers know that
Woman are
>banned from the Universal House Of Justice. (personally, I think if
>I didn't bring that up you would treat me a lot better) I hope every
one who
>has tried to TOS me will ask themselves "Would I have TOSed
Christine If she
>hadn't had said those comments against my faith?" If the answer
is no, then I
>would like an apology.
>
>Love,
>Christine.
Bahais are abusing AOL's TOS system to control and drive dissidents
away--it's obvious....
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:18 AM
To: chrrrstine@aol.com; FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Christine - TOS problems
<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Re:
Christine - TOS problems
>Date: 2/15/1999 4:17 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Chrrrstine
>Message-id: <19990215041728.20966.00003094@ng-fi1.aol.com>
>
>Parbelly wrote,
>> I guess it depends on who people will believe right
Christine?
>
>No, it matters what the truth is.
>When I sat TOSed I mean a Baha'i gloating he sent off a letter to AOL.
Or I
>got a (no subject) letter from Mark Foster> AOL has only sent me
one warning
>letter. I got that letter about 1/2 an hour after logging to the
Beliefs
>Baha'i chat room for the first time. I had a cuss word in My profile
and I
>Got TOSed for it.
>Love,
>Christine
Speaking as Bahai, this is all what is known as "Bahai
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:38 AM
To: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Christine - TOS problems
<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Re:
Christine - TOS problems
>Date: 2/15/1999 6:28 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: RobJ95
>Message-id: <19990215062845.11647.00001368@ng-fy1.aol.com>
>
>Christine:
>
> Regardless of your feelings about the Baha'i Faith, or whether you
agree or
>disagree with its goals or teachings, I can assure you that if you
violate
>TOS, I would unhesitatingly report you.
What's happening here is Bahais are abusing and often falsely accusing
people of TOSs, often employing double standards in the process.
I've done so in the past with various
>people, and I will continue to do so in the future.
I don't doubt it for a moment. I encourage others who have been the
victims of this kind of abuse from Bahais to begin reporting them for
every little slip or infraction now to the TOSGeneral.
I've even TOSed
>individuals who have been positively inclined toward the Faith, but
who
>insist on behaving improperly in the Bahá'í chat rooms; I offer no
apologies
>for
>this action; it is what every good online citizen should do, and what
AOL
>requests that we do.
> Would I be more inclined to do so with you than with someone I'm on
>friendlier terms with? I'd probably have to say yes, since you
go out of
>your way to be an irritant in the chat rooms; that's just human
nature,
>flawed as it is.
Quite revealing above about the approach Bahais have to the TOS
system....
Just because we Bahá'ís try to lead loving and tolerant
>lives doesn't mean we should allow ourselves to be treated like
doormats.
Speaking as a Bahai of more than 22 years,
I believe Bahais are anything but tolerant....
>Only God's patience is boundless.
> In the final analysis, Christine, if you behave in an appropriate
manner, no
>one will have good reason to TOS you; if someone should TOS you
without
>cause, AOL will determine that such is the case; either way, you would
have
>nothing to worry about.
> If I were you, I'd carefully and dispassionately examine why so many
people
>seem intent on TOSing you, and see if there wasn't something I could
do to
>change my behavior so as to avoid being TOSed in the first
place.
I.e., you should submit to Bahai coercion....
Otherwise,
>if you are so concerned and distressed about (the possibility of)
getting
>TOSed in the Bahá'í chat rooms and message boards, one sure remedy
would be
>for you to stay out of them altogether.
Exactly the goal Bahais have here and elsewhere--DRIVE out those who
have the temerity to express any opinion other than their own. See
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/technique.htm
> Ultimately, it is up to you. Be assured of my prayers in
your behalf.
>
>Sincerely, Rob.
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:39 AM
To: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>Please read carefully
The Baha'i Technique and reflect on how it's applicable here to the way the
TOS system is being abused by Bahais:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/technique.htm
>Subject: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
>Date: 2/15/1999 1:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Smaneck
>Message-id: <19990215134627.19984.00002108@ng-cg1.aol.com>
>
>Mahdi writes:
>
>> I was expressing myself like I do always in these excellent
posts.
>
>I think Mahdi should get the nomination for best joke of the
day!
>
>> I mentioned my treatment by two very well known people
here, let just say
>>Mrs. W and Mrs/PhD S.
>
>You mean li'l ole me, Mahdi? You must be referring to the fact that
whenever
>you insist on harrassing me with unwanted and unwelcome IMs I keep
notifying
>AOL. I hope you have lots of credit cards, you'll need them!
>
>
>warmest,
>
>Susan Maneck
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:44 AM
To: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Re:
Getting TOSsed in the slammer
>Date: 2/15/1999 5:11 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: RBCF Mark
>Message-id: <19990215171109.02876.00000852@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>
>It is not a double standard, Mahdi. It is a recognition that this is
the
>Baha'i Forum. There is also an Islamic forum. If I went to that forum
and
>attempted to promote the Baha'i Faith or its Teachings as preferable,
better,
>or (whatever term you choose), that would be TOSable, as well.
There is a double standard in my opinion. Bahais don't want to hear
anything from Muslims and really dispise them.
>
>Sincerely, Mark A. Foster
>Bahá'í Faith Forum Manager
>https://www.markfoster.net
>https://markfoster.org
>https://bahai.nu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:49 AM
To: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Please Read!!!
<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Please
Read!!!
>Date: 2/15/1999 5:26 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: RBCF Mark
>Message-id: <19990215172653.02876.00000868@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>
>Folks,
>
>I am honestly getting tired of sending so many posts along to CAT
(Community
>Action Team -- the folks who handle TOS reports). However, I am
required to
>do so, as a part of my volunteer position in this forum. But it is
getting
>old rather quickly.
>
>May I make a personal plea that we please treat each other with the
human
>dignity that each of us deserve?
What about Bahais, Mark? Are they going to respect others' opinions?
After over 22 years in the Bahai Faith, I would find it to be a first....
It doesn't matter whether we agree with
>someone. We can still address each person with basic human kindness.
If we
>would begin to do so, the majority of TOS reports (by myself and by
others)
>would end.
Sounds like a threat, none too veiled.... Unfortunately, I and others
believe you are using a decidedly double standard in choosing who to
report on to the TOSGeneral.... I don't believe there's any doubt that
that is the case.
>
>Also, we need to bear in mind that proselytizing (meaning, trying to
convert
>someone to one's own religion) or attacking or belittling the religion
of
>that particular forum is a TOS violation, plain and simple.
Translation:
>Members of another religions trying to convert Baha'is to their
religion are
>in violation of TOS regulations. And members of other religions
attacking or
>belittling the Baha'i Faith are in violation of TOS
>regulations.
What about Bahais harassing and attacking Bahais and non-Bahais on and
off of AOL? I believe you're using a double standard here once again.
>
>People, I didn't make those rules up. They come from one of two
places:
>Either from CAT itself or from the policy makers of the spirituality
forums
>(of which the Baha'i Forum is a part).
You and other Bahais are interpreting and using them to further your
own interpretations of what the Bahai Faith is or should be. AOL personnel
are extremely naive and uninformed in this regard but some are not....
>
>Sincerely, Mark A. Foster
>Bahá'í Faith Forum Manager
>https://www.markfoster.net
>https://markfoster.org
>https://bahai.nu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:54 AM
To: rbcfmark@aol.com; FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Re:
Getting TOSsed in the slammer
>Date: 2/15/1999 6:47 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: RBCF Mark
>Message-id: <19990215184756.28946.00001207@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>
>Mahdi,
>
>The problems you refer to, as I see it, are primarily a result of your
>promotion of Islam in the Baha'i Forum. It has caused considerable
>frustration on the part of some of the Baha'i participants here.
>
>I am attempting, in this case, to deal with the causes, rather than
the
>effects. It seems more sensible to me to proceed that way.
>
>
>
>Sincerely, Mark A. Foster
>Bahá'í Faith Forum Manager
>https://www.markfoster.net
>https://markfoster.org
>https://bahai.nu
I'm a member of the Bahai Faith, and I don't feel any frustration with
Mahdi's opinions and beliefs. As a Muslim, he has every right to believe
what he does and share his views on the Bahai Faith. Certain kinds of
Bahais want to suppress his and other Muslims' views. As Forum Leader, you
should not be assisting them in doing so.
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:56 AM
To: mrmahdi@aol.com; FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Re:
Getting TOSsed in the slammer
>Date: 2/15/1999 7:19 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Mr Mahdi
>Message-id: <19990215191912.27161.00002133@ng35.aol.com>
>
>>Mahdi,
>>
>>The problems you refer to, as I see it, are primarily a result of
your
>>promotion of Islam in the Baha'i Forum. It has caused considerable
>>frustration on the part of some of the Baha'i participants here.
>>
>>I am attempting, in this case, to deal with the causes, rather
than the
>>effects. It seems more sensible to me to proceed that way.
>
>So in other words, its ok for them and not me. I call it a
double standard,
>you call it fairness. What makes you think the attack on Islam
here by
>bahais like Susan and Wendy is not primarily a result of my
considerable
>frustration? You have shown great unfairness and bias, you
should not say
>its ok for them to show frustration but its not ok for me.
>Mahdi
Again, I believe Mahdi is quite right. There's a double standard being
used against him and others by Bahais.
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:58 AM
To: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Christine - TOS problems
<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>It seems to me certain
kinds of Bahai here on the AOL forums are the ones going for the
juggular....
>Subject: Re: Christine - TOS problems
>Date: 2/16/1999 1:53 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Hawkeye919
>Message-id: <19990216015313.24038.00001257@ng-cb1.aol.com>
>
>Christine:
>
> I find it interesting that you chide Bahá'ís by way of implying
that we are
>not being honest enough with you; yet, when we are honest about our
feelings,
>thereby showing we are just as human as the next person, you jump on
us for
>that too. There is no pleasing you.
> We have been more than tolerant with you for far too long; but you
insist on
>making things difficult for everyone — yourself included. Try
taking it easy
>on others and on yourself by showing consideration and respect for the
>feelings and views of others, and you will be amazed how differently
people
>will behave toward you. However, if you insist on going for the
jugular
>every time, or playing little games in the rooms, you will only make
things
>more difficult for everyone — most of all for yourself.
>
>Regards, Hawkeye.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 10:04 AM
To: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>This is all merely an
excuse to drive out Mahdi, in my opinion. I've seen many, many Bahais
bring up Xianity, Islam, etc., in a similar manner when it suits their
purposes.
>Subject: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
>Date: 2/16/1999 6:51 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: RBCF Mark
>Message-id: <19990216065123.29402.00001410@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>
>Mahdi,
>
>Baha'is don't attack Islam. We accept it as a valid Revelation. Now,
you, as
>a Muslim may see it differently. However, this is a Baha'i Forum - not
an
>Islamic one.
>
>Sincerely, Mark A. Foster
>Bahá'í Faith Forum Manager
>https://www.markfoster.net
>https://markfoster.org
>https://bahai.nu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 10:08 AM
To: chrrrstine@aol.com; FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: 3 strikes and Mahdi's not out
<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>This message is quite
revealing about what many Bahais are actually up to with the TOS onslaught
on AOL against people who don't toe the party line.... "We live in
hope" obviously refers to getting people entirely kicked off AOL by
constantly alleging TOS violations against them. To do so is in itself a
violation of the TOS system and can lead to the person making such false
allegations to lose his or her account. Again,
I urge anyone who believes they are being treated unfairly or with a
double standard to write hostmgr@aol.com and TOSBoards1@aol.com
>Subject: Re: 3 strikes and Mahdi's not out
>Date: 2/16/1999 2:29 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Chrrrstine
>Message-id: <19990216142917.28946.00002097@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>
>>Joh:
>>
>> WAYYY more than three. We live in hope.
>>
>>Rob
>>
>>
>
>Ah. Truly, a beautiful thread. Please don't try to take MY AOL account
>because you disagree with me. If you spend ANY time hoping differing
points
>of view have their accounts revoked, may I respectfully suggest that
you
>better spend that time in prayer. IMO God would want it that way.
>Love,
>Christine
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 10:51 AM
To: hostmgr@aol.com; TOSBoards1@aol.com
Subject: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
I think the following messages on AOL's Bahai Forum
Message Boards should make clear that I and a number
of other Bahais and non-Bahais believe fundamentalist Bahais
on AOL are abusing the TOS system in order to suppress the
opinions and views of people with which they do not agree....
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<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Re: Who is
Mark Foster?
>Date: 2/14/1999 1:02 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Smaneck
>Message-id: <19990214130206.20954.00002224@ng-fi1.aol.com>
>
>Christine asks:
>
>>Dearest Mr. Foster,
>>Who are you?
>>What is your authority?
>
>If I can answer for Dr. Foster. He is a professor of sociology at
Johnson
>City Community College. He is hired by the head of the spirituality
forums
to
>manage the Baha'i forum. Dr. Foster is a Baha'i. The leaders of each
forum
>typically belong to the religion in question since the forums are
designed
to
>support each religion.
He's paid MONEY for what he's doing!!!
>
>>Isn't this a Non-Baha'i board? Shouldn't a Non-bahi be in charge?
>
>Christine, we've been through this before.
Her point should not be brushed aside. It's a valid question, one I
support.
Two previous Bahais have demonstrated they could not be fair Forum Leaders
and were dismissed by AOL. Speaking as a Bahai, I believe Foster has
already
shown he is not playing fairly....
This is a non-Baha'i folder on the
>Baha'i Board. It is *not* a non-Baha'i Board. As such it is still
bound by
>the TOS rules for spirituality forums which I placed up before.
Folders do
>not have separate people in charge. The description of the folder is
>misleading and we have not been able to get that changed as yet. But
TOS
>rules still apply regardless of how the folder is described.
>
>
>warmest,
>
>Susan Maneck
What is the name and address of the Spiritual ity Forum Leader who has
hired
Mark Foster?
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<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Re:
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>Date: 2/15/1999 4:10 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Chrrrstine
>Message-id: <19990215041017.20966.00003093@ng-fi1.aol.com>
>
>Sunni, You Wrote,
>>Christine
>>
>>If you sincerely feel that Baha'is are violating AOL TOS then you
should
>>report them. AOL will make the decision if it is truly a
violation or
not.
>
>>
>>You don't have to sit back and wait for someone else to do it if
you think
>it
>>should be done. Just got to keyword: notify AOL and follow
the
>instructions.
>>
>>Sunni
>>
>Sunni, A lot of Baha'is know about the double standard. It happened on
a
>Crowded day. I Do not believe in TOSing people (Unless threatened) or
>ignoring people. I am confident to stand on my ability to defend my
beliefs.
>I wish only to be treated fairly by the online Baha'i community.
Although I
>am slowly realizing that Fairness on this forum is impossible.
>Love,
>Christine
You're quite right.... Bahais are not playing fairly here and are
abusing
the TOS system.
You can write the hostmgr@aol.com and TOSBoards1@aol.com about this
fact if
you like. I urge others concerned about the manner in which Mark Foster is
hitting people with false TOSs to make their views known to AOL.
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<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Re:
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>Date: 2/15/1999 4:51 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Mr Mahdi
>Message-id: <19990215165123.11988.00002094@ng103.aol.com>
>
>Too bad you and Mark were the only ones that saw the post before yours
truly
>yanked them off the third time. 3 of my post were yanked off,
and I am
being
>seriuos this time, I found my posts as one of most "mild"
posts I writen.
>The post you just read was yanked because it didnt fit a post that
belonged
>to a "support" forum. Oh well, like your posts are
supporting and praising
>mines. I see the typical double-standard
>going on here.
>Mahdi
AOL does provide for a system of TOS appeal. Write TOSBoards1@aol.com
regarding the double standards that are now being used to drive people off
these Boards. The hostmgr@aol.com should hear your views.
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<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Re:
Getting TOSsed in the slammer
>Date: 2/15/1999 6:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Mr Mahdi
>Message-id: <19990215183807.27160.00002246@ng35.aol.com>
>
>>It is not a double standard, Mahdi. It is a recognition that this
is the
>>Baha'i Forum. There is also an Islamic forum. If I went to that
forum and
>>attempted to promote the Baha'i Faith or its Teachings as
preferable,
>better,
>>or (whatever term you choose), that would be TOSable, as well.
>
>This time I was responding to Susan calling me a joke and Wendy's use
of
>racism in the chats to tick me off. I wasnt in this post
unfortunately
>trying to invite people to Islam. But it is very clear that you
allow
bahais
>to talk about non bahais in a bad way like Mike talking about gays and
Wendy
>talking about indoor plumbing, but when I respond to these comments I
get
>blacklisted. I want you to repost the posts you yanked off and
let the
>people
>here decide if a transgressed the limits of "TOS."
>Mahdi
Mahdi makes a valid point here. Wendy and other people of opinions
other
than those that could be characterized as liberal are allowe to say and do
what they wish.... There is a double standard.
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<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>This is then the root
of problem. There should
be another Forum Leader or a second one to counterbalance this one....
It's
obivious given AOL having to fire Vahid and Edmund that this structure
does
not work right for the Bahai Forums. Changing the personality makes no
difference....
>Subject: Re: Regarding the Threads
>Date: 2/16/1999 6:47 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: RBCF Mark
>Message-id: <19990216064731.29402.00001406@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>
>PL, the decision is made only by myself, as forum manager.
>
>Sincerely, Mark A. Foster
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>https://www.markfoster.net
>https://markfoster.org
>https://bahai.nu
>
>
>
>
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<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Zaynab,
>Please do not refer to me as a enemy of the Baha'i. I have never said
that.
>If you do so again, please state it as your opinion.
Why isn't Mark Foster hitting Zaynab with a TOS, if he's a fair
player?
>2 As I stated in my censored post. I have not used profanity, on
the chat
>boards.( other than one letter followed by **** after a two hour
barrage of
>accusations) I have never been TOSed for doing that. I have witnessed
Baha'i
>use The F-word and not get TOSed. I asked the many baha'i in the room
if
they
>TOSed the comment and They did not reply. So maybe this is an
assumption.
But
>in my opinion You should be more tolerant of differing views on this
>board. It would make for more lively chat, and it would also show
seekers
>that you could withstand the tough questions that the
"world" religions (of
>which you want to be considered) Have to face every single day all
over the
>world.
>I feel this board and the people in the chat rooms are looking at
every
move
>I make with a micro- scope, just waiting for me to violate TOS and
report
me.
>I guess that is to be exeted, fine, you have the rules on your side,
but if
>you do not hold other people up to the same standards that you hold me
up
to,
>then it seems obvious it is because I like to let seekers know that
Woman
are
>banned from the Universal House Of Justice. (personally, I think if
>I didn't bring that up you would treat me a lot better) I hope every
one
who
>has tried to TOS me will ask themselves "Would I have TOSed
Christine If
she
>hadn't had said those comments against my faith?" If the answer
is no, then
I
>would like an apology.
>
>Love,
>Christine.
Bahais are abusing AOL's TOS system to control and drive dissidents
away--it's obvious....
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<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Re:
Christine - TOS problems
>Date: 2/15/1999 4:17 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Chrrrstine
>Message-id: <19990215041728.20966.00003094@ng-fi1.aol.com>
>
>Parbelly wrote,
>> I guess it depends on who people will believe right Christine?
>
>No, it matters what the truth is.
>When I sat TOSed I mean a Baha'i gloating he sent off a letter to AOL.
Or I
>got a (no subject) letter from Mark Foster> AOL has only sent me
one
warning
>letter. I got that letter about 1/2 an hour after logging to the
Beliefs
>Baha'i chat room for the first time. I had a cuss word in My profile
and I
>Got TOSed for it.
>Love,
>Christine
Speaking as Bahai, this is all what is known as "Bahai
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<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Re:
Christine - TOS problems
>Date: 2/15/1999 6:28 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: RobJ95
>Message-id: <19990215062845.11647.00001368@ng-fy1.aol.com>
>
>Christine:
>
> Regardless of your feelings about the Baha'i Faith, or whether you
agree
or
>disagree with its goals or teachings, I can assure you that if you
violate
>TOS, I would unhesitatingly report you.
What's happening here is Bahais are abusing and often falsely accusing
people of TOSs, often employing double standards in the process.
I've done so in the past with various
>people, and I will continue to do so in the future.
I don't doubt it for a moment. I encourage others who have been the
victims
of this kind of abuse from Bahais to begin reporting them for every little
slip or infraction now to the TOSGeneral.
I've even TOSed
>individuals who have been positively inclined toward the Faith, but
who
>insist on behaving improperly in the Bahá'í chat rooms; I offer no
apologies
>for
>this action; it is what every good online citizen should do, and what
AOL
>requests that we do.
> Would I be more inclined to do so with you than with someone I'm on
>friendlier terms with? I'd probably have to say yes, since you
go out of
>your way to be an irritant in the chat rooms; that's just human
nature,
>flawed as it is.
Quite revealing above about the approach Bahais have to the TOS
system....
Just because we Bahá'ís try to lead loving and tolerant
>lives doesn't mean we should allow ourselves to be treated like
doormats.
Speaking as a Bahai of more than 22 years,
I believe Bahais are anything but tolerant....
>Only God's patience is boundless.
> In the final analysis, Christine, if you behave in an appropriate
manner,
no
>one will have good reason to TOS you; if someone should TOS you
without
>cause, AOL will determine that such is the case; either way, you would
have
>nothing to worry about.
> If I were you, I'd carefully and dispassionately examine why so many
people
>seem intent on TOSing you, and see if there wasn't something I could
do to
>change my behavior so as to avoid being TOSed in the first place.
I.e., you should submit to Bahai coercion....
Otherwise,
>if you are so concerned and distressed about (the possibility of)
getting
>TOSed in the Bahá'í chat rooms and message boards, one sure remedy
would be
>for you to stay out of them altogether.
Exactly the goal Bahais have here and elsewhere--DRIVE out those who
have
the temerity to express any opinion other than their own. See
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/technique.htm
> Ultimately, it is up to you. Be assured of my prayers in
your behalf.
>
>Sincerely, Rob.
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<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>Please read carefully
The Baha'i Technique and
reflect on how it's applicable here to the way the TOS system is being
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>Subject: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
>Date: 2/15/1999 1:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Smaneck
>Message-id: <19990215134627.19984.00002108@ng-cg1.aol.com>
>
>Mahdi writes:
>
>> I was expressing myself like I do always in these excellent
posts.
>
>I think Mahdi should get the nomination for best joke of the day!
>
>> I mentioned my treatment by two very well known people
here, let just
say
>>Mrs. W and Mrs/PhD S.
>
>You mean li'l ole me, Mahdi? You must be referring to the fact that
whenever
>you insist on harrassing me with unwanted and unwelcome IMs I keep
notifying
>AOL. I hope you have lots of credit cards, you'll need them!
>
>
>warmest,
>
>Susan Maneck
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Re:
Getting TOSsed in the slammer
>Date: 2/15/1999 5:11 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: RBCF Mark
>Message-id: <19990215171109.02876.00000852@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>
>It is not a double standard, Mahdi. It is a recognition that this is
the
>Baha'i Forum. There is also an Islamic forum. If I went to that forum
and
>attempted to promote the Baha'i Faith or its Teachings as preferable,
better,
>or (whatever term you choose), that would be TOSable, as well.
There is a double standard in my opinion. Bahais don't want to hear
anything
from Muslims and really dispise them.
>
>Sincerely, Mark A. Foster
>Bahá'í Faith Forum Manager
>https://www.markfoster.net
>https://markfoster.org
>https://bahai.nu
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Please
Read!!!
>Date: 2/15/1999 5:26 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: RBCF Mark
>Message-id: <19990215172653.02876.00000868@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>
>Folks,
>
>I am honestly getting tired of sending so many posts along to CAT
(Community
>Action Team -- the folks who handle TOS reports). However, I am
required to
>do so, as a part of my volunteer position in this forum. But it is
getting
>old rather quickly.
>
>May I make a personal plea that we please treat each other with the
human
>dignity that each of us deserve?
What about Bahais, Mark? Are they going to respect others' opinions?
After
over 22 years in the Bahai Faith, I would find it to be a first....
It doesn't matter whether we agree with
>someone. We can still address each person with basic human kindness.
If we
>would begin to do so, the majority of TOS reports (by myself and by
others)
>would end.
Sounds like a threat, none too veiled.... Unfortunately, I and others
believe you are using a decidedly double standard in choosing who to
report
on to the TOSGeneral.... I don't believe there's any doubt that that is
the
case.
>
>Also, we need to bear in mind that proselytizing (meaning, trying to
convert
>someone to one's own religion) or attacking or belittling the religion
of
>that particular forum is a TOS violation, plain and simple.
Translation:
>Members of another religions trying to convert Baha'is to their
religion
are
>in violation of TOS regulations. And members of other religions
attacking
or
>belittling the Baha'i Faith are in violation of TOS
>regulations.
What about Bahais harassing and attacking Bahais and non-Bahais on and
off
of AOL? I believe you're using a double standard here once again.
>
>People, I didn't make those rules up. They come from one of two
places:
>Either from CAT itself or from the policy makers of the spirituality
forums
>(of which the Baha'i Forum is a part).
You and other Bahais are interpreting and using them to further your
own
interpretations of what the Bahai Faith is or should be. AOL personnel are
extremely naive and uninformed in this regard but some are not....
>
>Sincerely, Mark A. Foster
>Bahá'í Faith Forum Manager
>https://www.markfoster.net
>https://markfoster.org
>https://bahai.nu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Re:
Getting TOSsed in the slammer
>Date: 2/15/1999 6:47 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: RBCF Mark
>Message-id: <19990215184756.28946.00001207@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>
>Mahdi,
>
>The problems you refer to, as I see it, are primarily a result of your
>promotion of Islam in the Baha'i Forum. It has caused considerable
>frustration on the part of some of the Baha'i participants here.
>
>I am attempting, in this case, to deal with the causes, rather than
the
>effects. It seems more sensible to me to proceed that way.
>
>
>
>Sincerely, Mark A. Foster
>Bahá'í Faith Forum Manager
>https://www.markfoster.net
>https://markfoster.org
>https://bahai.nu
I'm a member of the Bahai Faith, and I don't feel any frustration with
Mahdi's opinions and beliefs. As a Muslim, he has every right to believe
what he does and share his views on the Bahai Faith. Certain kinds of
Bahais
want to suppress his and other Muslims' views. As Forum Leader, you should
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<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Re:
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>Date: 2/15/1999 7:19 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Mr Mahdi
>Message-id: <19990215191912.27161.00002133@ng35.aol.com>
>
>>Mahdi,
>>
>>The problems you refer to, as I see it, are primarily a result of
your
>>promotion of Islam in the Baha'i Forum. It has caused considerable
>>frustration on the part of some of the Baha'i participants here.
>>
>>I am attempting, in this case, to deal with the causes, rather
than the
>>effects. It seems more sensible to me to proceed that way.
>
>So in other words, its ok for them and not me. I call it a
double
standard,
>you call it fairness. What makes you think the attack on Islam
here by
>bahais like Susan and Wendy is not primarily a result of my
considerable
>frustration? You have shown great unfairness and bias, you
should not say
>its ok for them to show frustration but its not ok for me.
>Mahdi
Again, I believe Mahdi is quite right. There's a double standard being
used
against him and others by Bahais.
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<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>It seems to me certain
kinds of Bahai here on
the AOL forums are the ones going for the juggular....
>Subject: Re: Christine - TOS problems
>Date: 2/16/1999 1:53 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Hawkeye919
>Message-id: <19990216015313.24038.00001257@ng-cb1.aol.com>
>
>Christine:
>
> I find it interesting that you chide Bahá'ís by way of implying
that we
are
>not being honest enough with you; yet, when we are honest about our
feelings,
>thereby showing we are just as human as the next person, you jump on
us for
>that too. There is no pleasing you.
> We have been more than tolerant with you for far too long; but you
insist
on
>making things difficult for everyone — yourself included. Try
taking it
easy
>on others and on yourself by showing consideration and respect for the
>feelings and views of others, and you will be amazed how differently
people
>will behave toward you. However, if you insist on going for the
jugular
>every time, or playing little games in the rooms, you will only make
things
>more difficult for everyone — most of all for yourself.
>
>Regards, Hawkeye.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>This is all merely an
excuse to drive out
Mahdi, in my opinion. I've seen many, many Bahais bring up Xianity, Islam,
etc., in a similar manner when it suits their purposes.
>Subject: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
>Date: 2/16/1999 6:51 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: RBCF Mark
>Message-id: <19990216065123.29402.00001410@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>
>Mahdi,
>
>Baha'is don't attack Islam. We accept it as a valid Revelation. Now,
you,
as
>a Muslim may see it differently. However, this is a Baha'i Forum - not
an
>Islamic one.
>
>Sincerely, Mark A. Foster
>Bahá'í Faith Forum Manager
>https://www.markfoster.net
>https://markfoster.org
>https://bahai.nu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>This message is quite
revealing about what
many Bahais are actually up to with the TOS onslaught on AOL against
people
who don't toe the party line.... "We live in hope" obviously
refers to
getting people entirely kicked off AOL by constantly alleging TOS
violations
against them. To do so is in itself a violation of the TOS system and can
lead to the person making such false allegations to lose his or her
account.
Again,
I urge anyone who believes they are being treated unfairly or with a
double
standard to write hostmgr@aol.com and TOSBoards1@aol.com
>Subject: Re: 3 strikes and Mahdi's not out
>Date: 2/16/1999 2:29 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Chrrrstine
>Message-id: <19990216142917.28946.00002097@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>
>>Joh:
>>
>> WAYYY more than three. We live in hope.
>>
>>Rob
>>
>>
>
>Ah. Truly, a beautiful thread. Please don't try to take MY AOL account
>because you disagree with me. If you spend ANY time hoping differing
points
>of view have their accounts revoked, may I respectfully suggest that
you
>better spend that time in prayer. IMO God would want it that way.
>Love,
>Christine
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 11:06 AM
To: hostmgr@aol.com; TOSBoards1@aol.com
Subject: fw nadle@aol.com Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
I ask Bahais and non-Bahais who are familiar with
the methods fundamentalist Bahais use to suppress
free speech and conscience to also write the hostmgr@aol.com
and the TOSBoards1@aol.com to help encourage them
to rectify the situation. It seems to me that basically the same
dynamics that have played themselves out with the opposition
to talk.religion.bahai is now taking place, has been really for
a long time, at least since last August, on AOL....
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
-----Original Message-----
From: FG@aol.com <FG@aol.com>
To: Nadle@aol.com <Nadle@aol.com>
Cc: FG@hotmail.com <FG@hotmail.com>
Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 1:58 AM
Subject: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>He's been doing the same thing to me and several
>other people who don't share the fundamentalist
>mindset. I've spoken with an AOL person regarding the
>whole situation. We can appeal the false TOSs by
>writing the TOSBoard1@aol.com and hostmgr@aol.com.
>
>I've just forwarded a dozen or more messages from various
>people complaining now in For Non-Bahais to the above
>addresses and suggest you write them as soon as you can
>so that they hear from someone else. You know the literalists
>have and will make me out to be a lone kook otherwise. I
>
>Encourage others to do the same. AOL woke up in the past
>and got ride of Vahid and Edmund, former "Forum Leaders."
>
>We can depend on them to do the right thing with Mark Foster
>too but have to be patient and make the extra effort to inform
>them what he's really doing now on AOL.
>
>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>
>
>
>Subj: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>Date: 2/18/1999 9:26:24 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: nadle@aol.com (Nadle)
>To: FG@aol.com
>
>Fred,
>
>I'm getting really ticked off with Mark's censorship.
>
>I was wrong and you, it turns out, have been right.
>
>I wasnt to send a complaint to AOL about Mark. He's pulled
several of my
>posts and forwarded them to TOS. TOS, however, have blown him
off.
>
>When I repost those deleted posts, he yanks them again, and
forwards
them -
>yet again - to TOS.
>
>What do I do?
>
>Thank you for the information.
>
>Sincerely,
>Larry Rhodes
>
>
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>References: <19990218080242.27436.00000677@ng90.aol.com>
>From: nadle@aol.com (Nadle)
>Subject: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>Message-ID: <19990218092622.27682.00003216@ng97.aol.com>
>
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 11:06 AM
Subject: fw nadle@aol.com Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
I ask Bahais and non-Bahais who are familiar with
the methods fundamentalist Bahais use to suppress
free speech and conscience to also write the hostmgr@aol.com
and the TOSBoards1@aol.com to help encourage them
to rectify the situation. It seems to me that basically the same
dynamics that have played themselves out with the opposition
to talk.religion.bahai is now taking place, has been really for
a long time, at least since last August, on AOL....
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
-----Original Message-----
From: FG@aol.com <FG@aol.com>
To: Nadle@aol.com <Nadle@aol.com>
Cc: FG@hotmail.com <FG@hotmail.com>
Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 1:58 AM
Subject: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>He's been doing the same thing to me and several
>other people who don't share the fundamentalist
>mindset. I've spoken with an AOL person regarding the
>whole situation. We can appeal the false TOSs by
>writing the TOSBoard1@aol.com and hostmgr@aol.com.
>
>I've just forwarded a dozen or more messages from various
>people complaining now in For Non-Bahais to the above
>addresses and suggest you write them as soon as you can
>so that they hear from someone else. You know the literalists
>have and will make me out to be a lone kook otherwise. I
>
>Encourage others to do the same. AOL woke up in the past
>and got ride of Vahid and Edmund, former "Forum Leaders."
>
>We can depend on them to do the right thing with Mark Foster
>too but have to be patient and make the extra effort to inform
>them what he's really doing now on AOL.
>
>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>
>
>
>Subj: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>Date: 2/18/1999 9:26:24 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: nadle@aol.com (Nadle)
>To: FG@aol.com
>
>Fred,
>
>I'm getting really ticked off with Mark's censorship.
>
>I was wrong and you, it turns out, have been right.
>
>I wasnt to send a complaint to AOL about Mark. He's pulled
several of my
>posts and forwarded them to TOS. TOS, however, have blown him
off.
>
>When I repost those deleted posts, he yanks them again, and
forwards
them -
>yet again - to TOS.
>
>What do I do?
>
>Thank you for the information.
>
>Sincerely,
>Larry Rhodes
>
>
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>To: FG@aol.com
>Organization: AOL https://www.aol.com
>References: <19990218080242.27436.00000677@ng90.aol.com>
>From: nadle@aol.com (Nadle)
>Subject: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>Message-ID: <19990218092622.27682.00003216@ng97.aol.com>
>
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From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 11:12 AM
To: TOSBoards1@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Fwd: Who is Mark Foster?
<<Message: Fwd: Who is Mark Foster?>>
See Bahai Forums/Message Boards/For Non-Bahais
-----Original Message-----
From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 10:06 AM
Subject: fw nadle@aol.com Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
>I ask Bahais and non-Bahais who are familiar with
>the methods fundamentalist Bahais use to suppress
>free speech and conscience to also write the hostmgr@aol.com
>and the TOSBoards1@aol.com to help encourage them
>to rectify the situation. It seems to me that basically the same
>dynamics that have played themselves out with the opposition
>to talk.religion.bahai is now taking place, has been really for
>a long time, at least since last August, on AOL....
>
>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: FG@aol.com <FG@aol.com>
>To: Nadle@aol.com <Nadle@aol.com>
>Cc: FG@hotmail.com <FG@hotmail.com>
>Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 1:58 AM
>Subject: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>
>
>>He's been doing the same thing to me and several
>>other people who don't share the fundamentalist
>>mindset. I've spoken with an AOL person regarding the
>>whole situation. We can appeal the false TOSs by
>>writing the TOSBoard1@aol.com and hostmgr@aol.com.
>>
>>I've just forwarded a dozen or more messages from various
>>people complaining now in For Non-Bahais to the above
>>addresses and suggest you write them as soon as you can
>>so that they hear from someone else. You know the literalists
>>have and will make me out to be a lone kook otherwise. I
>>
>>Encourage others to do the same. AOL woke up in the past
>>and got ride of Vahid and Edmund, former "Forum
Leaders."
>>
>>We can depend on them to do the right thing with Mark Foster
>>too but have to be patient and make the extra effort to inform
>>them what he's really doing now on AOL.
>>
>>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Subj: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>>Date: 2/18/1999 9:26:24 AM Eastern Standard Time
>>From: nadle@aol.com (Nadle)
>>To: FG@aol.com
>>
>>Fred,
>>
>>I'm getting really ticked off with Mark's censorship.
>>
>>I was wrong and you, it turns out, have been right.
>>
>>I wasnt to send a complaint to AOL about Mark. He's
pulled several of my
>>posts and forwarded them to TOS. TOS, however, have blown
him off.
>>
>>When I repost those deleted posts, he yanks them again, and
forwards
>them -
>>yet again - to TOS.
>>
>>What do I do?
>>
>>Thank you for the information.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Larry Rhodes
>>
>>
>>----------------------- Headers --------------------------------
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>>Received: from rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (rly-zd03.mail.aol.com
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ESMTP id
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>>Date: 18 Feb 1999 09:26:22 EST
>>Newsgroups: aol.boards.internal0.top-o-world.aol-department-
>>level.associations-specia.bahai.for-non-bahais1f6ff4
>>To: FG@aol.com
>>Organization: AOL https://www.aol.com
>>References: <19990218080242.27436.00000677@ng90.aol.com>
>>From: nadle@aol.com (Nadle)
>>Subject: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>>Message-ID: <19990218092622.27682.00003216@ng97.aol.com>
>>
>
>
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 11:19 AM
To: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>More evidence, really,
of the concerted effort being made, by Bahais of a certain temperament, to
suppress other views by narrowly interpreting, via a double standard, the
TOS rules....
>Subject: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
>Date: 2/18/1999 9:48 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Smaneck
>Message-id: <19990218094849.02876.00002811@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>
>Fred writes:
>
>>I'm a member of the Bahai Faith, and I don't feel any frustration
with
>>Mahdi's opinions and beliefs. As a Muslim, he has every right to
believe
>what
>>he does and share his views on the Bahai Faith. Certain kinds of
Bahais want
>>to suppress his and other Muslims' views. As Forum Leader, you
should not be
>>assisting them in doing so.
>
>These are the TOS rules which Mark is beholden to abide by. Baha'is
didn't
>make them up.
>
>Concerning proselytizing:The Other Religions Boards are designed for
those
>belonging to or interested in the religions represented here. The
folders are
>for support & not criticism of the listed religions. AOL has
provided other
>areas where you may
>critize these or any other religions. Any proselytizing or
advocacy for the
>members of any of these religions to abandon their faith or accept
faiths
>other than their own will be treated as disruption on our message
boards and
>will be reported to TOS. Also, posts that are critical of the
represented
>religion will be deleted & forward to TOS for board disruption.
>
>
>warmest,
>
>Susan Maneck
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 1:50 PM
To: TOSBoards1@aol.com; hostmgr@aol.com
Subject: Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
Smaneck wrote in message
<19990218113538.04265.00000373@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>Dear friends,
>
>After a long illness which forced Dr. Mark Foster to neglect the AOL
Baha'i
>message board allowing, he found himself in the difficult position of
having to
>enforce TOS rules in a situation where people had not been used to it.
This
>explains the suddent wave of protests.
Last August the excuse for his doing nothing to improve
the censored areas of AOL was that he was busy with
the beginning of his classes for the fall. Then nothing
but silence for months. I highly doubt the veracity of the
claim that he was so sick. Regardless, I repeatedly emailed
directly to him and requested that he resign, a request he's
always ignored. When he did return, he immediately went
for the juggular vein, mine as well as others. He is not a fair
and honest Forum Leader, and should resign.... Speaking
as a Bahai, I believe he's clearly a puppet for the fanatics
and fundamentalists in the Bahai administration. AOL is for
all people, not merely the literal minded Bahais who have learned
how to manipulate and abuse the system of TOSs on AOL.
>
>I'm posting below the AOL TOS rules that were being violated. Baha'is
did
not
>make those up, AOL did.
The reality is that many fundamentalist Bahais have and
are violating the TOS rules on AOL and Foster is not slapping
them with TOSs. See the others messages I've posted as
evidence of this double standard.
>
>Here are the guidelines from the Spirituality Forum:
>
> Posts may be deleted when messages violate AOL's Policy for Online
Conduct,
>the Terms of Service,Rules of the Road, or the policies
established by the
>Spirituality forum which are outlined in this text.
> Concerning proselytizing:The Other Religions Boards are designed for
those
>belonging to or interested in the religions represented here. The
folders
are
>for support & not criticism of the listed religions. AOL has
provided other
>areas where you may critize these or any other religions.
Any
proselytizing
>or advocacy for the members of any of these religions to abandon their
faith or
>accept faiths other than their own will be treated as disruption on
our
message
>boards and will be reported to TOS. Also, posts that are
critical of the
>represented religion will be deleted & forward to TOS for board
disruption.
Ms. Maneck herself referred to my opinions on AOL a number
of times as "garbage." Foster has done nothing about that
whatsoever.
Also fundamentalist Bahais regularly intimidate and threaten other
Bahais like myself on AOL by suggesting we are "covenant
breakers,"
not "firm in the covenant," creating "disunity,"
etc.... Many of these
Bahai-style threats and insults violated the AOL TOS rules just as much
or more but AOL people do understand what's being done by the
fundamentalists and not enough people report the fundamentalists at
the moment.
>
>Susan Stiles Maneck
>History, Stetson University
See the links below for further evidence or comments along these
lines:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Maneck1.htm
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/technique.htm
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
Smaneck wrote in message
<19990218113538.04265.00000373@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>Dear friends,
>
>After a long illness which forced Dr. Mark Foster to neglect the AOL
Baha'i
>message board allowing, he found himself in the difficult position of
having to
>enforce TOS rules in a situation where people had not been used to it.
This
>explains the suddent wave of protests.
Last August the excuse for his doing nothing to improve
the censored areas of AOL was that he was busy with
the beginning of his classes for the fall. Then nothing
but silence for months. I highly doubt the veracity of the
claim that he was so sick. Regardless, I repeatedly emailed
directly to him and requested that he resign, a request he's
always ignored. When he did return, he immediately went
for the juggular vein, mine as well as others. He is not a fair
and honest Forum Leader, and should resign.... Speaking
as a Bahai, I believe he's clearly a puppet for the fanatics
and fundamentalists in the Bahai administration. AOL is for
all people, not merely the literal minded Bahais who have learned
how to manipulate and abuse the system of TOSs on AOL.
>
>I'm posting below the AOL TOS rules that were being violated. Baha'is
did
not
>make those up, AOL did.
The reality is that many fundamentalist Bahais have and
are violating the TOS rules on AOL and Foster is not slapping
them with TOSs. See the others messages I've posted as
evidence of this double standard.
>
>Here are the guidelines from the Spirituality Forum:
>
> Posts may be deleted when messages violate AOL's Policy for Online
Conduct,
>the Terms of Service,Rules of the Road, or the policies
established by the
>Spirituality forum which are outlined in this text.
> Concerning proselytizing:The Other Religions Boards are designed for
those
>belonging to or interested in the religions represented here. The
folders
are
>for support & not criticism of the listed religions. AOL has
provided other
>areas where you may critize these or any other religions.
Any
proselytizing
>or advocacy for the members of any of these religions to abandon their
faith or
>accept faiths other than their own will be treated as disruption on
our
message
>boards and will be reported to TOS. Also, posts that are
critical of the
>represented religion will be deleted & forward to TOS for board
disruption.
Ms. Maneck herself referred to my opinions on AOL a number
of times as "garbage." Foster has done nothing about that
whatsoever.
Also fundamentalist Bahais regularly intimidate and threaten other
Bahais like myself on AOL by suggesting we are "covenant
breakers,"
not "firm in the covenant," creating "disunity,"
etc.... Many of these
Bahai-style threats and insults violated the AOL TOS rules just as much
or more but AOL people do understand what's being done by the
fundamentalists and not enough people report the fundamentalists at
the moment.
>
>Susan Stiles Maneck
>History, Stetson University
See the links below for further evidence or comments along these
lines:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Maneck1.htm
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/technique.htm
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 4:04 PM
To: Jimo3#aol.com; HANI72#aol.com; CRust60001#aol.com; AAli929596#aol.com;
ccrawfeild@aol.com; Mr Mahdi; Nadle; Ruletherod; Macho786#aol.com;
Member1700#aol.com; PParvin#aol.com; RayHanania@aol.com;
RobertNik#aol.com; SAMaso#aol.com; Shaksway@aol.com; Smastr@aol.com
Subject: The TOS game
Foster, Maneck, and the other fundamentalists are
completely run amok. I just had my account suspended
for the second time this week. I know a number of other
people who are being attacked in the same way on the
Bahai "Forums." I just had a long talk with an AOL
person who assured me it is possible to have Mark Foster
removed and that it has been done on other forums too.
Those of you who are concerned about this manipulation
of the TOS rules to impose censorship on the Forums
should consider writing the hostmgr@aol.com and
the TOSBoards1@aol.com and explain your reasons.
A false TOS allegation is a violation of the TOS rules.
I believe this is what Foster is doing, and, as I've said many
times, he should be replaced, though certainly not with
Maneck. If the above addresses hear from enough of us it
will make a big difference. Please emphasize you are Bahais
too if you are and that much of the disagreement is between
fundamentalists and more liberal Bahais or non-Bahais both
on and off AOL. You might mention the two year struggle to
create talk.religion.bahai and my website has documenting
censorship in the Bahai Faith. You might also add that Foster
has been gone for more than 8 months only to return and behave
like this.
It is important to highlight that Foster is selectively hitting people
with TOSs, i.e., allowing people on his side to go scott free....
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>>Date: 2/18/1999 9:26:24 AM Eastern Standard Time
>>From: nadle@aol.com (Nadle)
>>To: FG@aol.com
>>
>>Fred,
>>
>>I'm getting really ticked off with Mark's censorship.
>>
>>I was wrong and you, it turns out, have been right.
>>
>>I wasnt to send a complaint to AOL about Mark. He's
pulled several of my
>>posts and forwarded them to TOS. TOS, however, have blown
him off.
>>
>>When I repost those deleted posts, he yanks them again, and
forwards
>them -
>>yet again - to TOS.
>>
>>What do I do?
>>
>>Thank you for the information.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Larry Rhodes
>>
>>
>>----------------------- Headers --------------------------------
>>Return-Path: <nadle@aol.com>
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From: MrMahdi@aol.com[SMTP:MrMahdi@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 4:05 PM
To: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: The TOS game
Thank you Fred for giving me advice and support. I wonder would
you like to
see my posts that were immediately yanked off by Mark that were never seen
by
the rest of you all?
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 4:31 PM
To: Jimo3#aol.com; HANI72#aol.com; CRust60001#aol.com; AAli929596#aol.com;
ccrawfeild@aol.com; Mr Mahdi; Nadle; Ruletherod; Macho786#aol.com;
Member1700#aol.com; PParvin#aol.com; RayHanania@aol.com;
RobertNik#aol.com; SAMaso#aol.com; Shaksway@aol.com; Smastr@aol.com
Subject: Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
Foster has repeatedly violated the TOS system on AOL
against me and several other individuals by alleging FALSE
TOSs and should be removed immediately from his position
as Forum Leader.
I am presently working on a message to the hostmgr@aol.com
and TOSBoards1@aol.com to this effect and encourage others
who have been targeted by him and other Bahai fundamentalists
on AOL to write also.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990218144900.02868.00007039@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>Fred,
>
>I am not paid anything for what I do. Only the owners are paid. The
forum
>managers, chat hosts, librarians, etc. are volunteers. Incidentally, I
am
all
>three - a forum manager, a chat host, and a librarian. And ... I am a
>volunteer. My only perk is that I don't pay for AOL (if you can call
it
that).
>
>The regulations are not made by the Baha'is. They are official AOL
policies.
>All TOS (terms of service) decisions are made by the Community Action
Team
on
>AOL, which has nothing to do with the Baha'i Faith Forum.
>
>Cordially, Mark Foster
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
Foster has repeatedly violated the TOS system on AOL
against me and several other individuals by alleging FALSE
TOSs and should be removed immediately from his position
as Forum Leader.
I am presently working on a message to the hostmgr@aol.com
and TOSBoards1@aol.com to this effect and encourage others
who have been targeted by him and other Bahai fundamentalists
on AOL to write also.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990218144900.02868.00007039@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>Fred,
>
>I am not paid anything for what I do. Only the owners are paid. The
forum
>managers, chat hosts, librarians, etc. are volunteers. Incidentally, I
am
all
>three - a forum manager, a chat host, and a librarian. And ... I am a
>volunteer. My only perk is that I don't pay for AOL (if you can call
it
that).
>
>The regulations are not made by the Baha'is. They are official AOL
policies.
>All TOS (terms of service) decisions are made by the Community Action
Team
on
>AOL, which has nothing to do with the Baha'i Faith Forum.
>
>Cordially, Mark Foster
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 4:38 PM
To: Jimo3#aol.com; HANI72#aol.com; CRust60001#aol.com; AAli929596#aol.com;
ccrawfeild@aol.com; Mr Mahdi; Nadle; Ruletherod; Macho786#aol.com;
Member1700#aol.com; PParvin#aol.com; RayHanania@aol.com;
RobertNik#aol.com; SAMaso#aol.com; Shaksway@aol.com; Smastr@aol.com
Subject: Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
Smaneck wrote in message
<19990218141748.22335.00003790@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
>Fred writes:
>
>>I highly doubt the veracity of the
>>claim that he was so sick.
>
>What do you need Fred, a doctors excuse?
Even if he was actually sick, which I doubt, it's obviously
a bogus tactic to conceal what you and other fanatics
are attempting to suppress on AOL.
>
>>Regardless, I repeatedly emailed
>>directly to him and requested that he resign, a request he's
>>always ignored.
>
>The nerve of Mark! When Fred issues a demand like that Mark
should comply
>immediately.
As Forum Leader, he had obligations he ignored repeatedly
and should have made arrangements to replace himself if
he actually cared about the AOL Forums functioning properly
which he certainly didn't... He, like other fundamentalists on
AOL, preferred the dysfunctional state of all the Forums to
truly open free speech....
>
>>Ms. Maneck herself referred to my opinions on AOL a number
>>of times as "garbage."
>
>And nobody else would *ever* charaterize the litter you spam these
lists
with
>in that manner.
Here we have another demonstration of Ms. Maneck's
adherence to "scholarly" values and discourse.... I shall
add it to my collection....
>
>
>Susan Stiles Maneck
>History, Stetson University
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
Smaneck wrote in message
<19990218141748.22335.00003790@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
>Fred writes:
>
>>I highly doubt the veracity of the
>>claim that he was so sick.
>
>What do you need Fred, a doctors excuse?
Even if he was actually sick, which I doubt, it's obviously
a bogus tactic to conceal what you and other fanatics
are attempting to suppress on AOL.
>
>>Regardless, I repeatedly emailed
>>directly to him and requested that he resign, a request he's
>>always ignored.
>
>The nerve of Mark! When Fred issues a demand like that Mark
should comply
>immediately.
As Forum Leader, he had obligations he ignored repeatedly
and should have made arrangements to replace himself if
he actually cared about the AOL Forums functioning properly
which he certainly didn't... He, like other fundamentalists on
AOL, preferred the dysfunctional state of all the Forums to
truly open free speech....
>
>>Ms. Maneck herself referred to my opinions on AOL a number
>>of times as "garbage."
>
>And nobody else would *ever* charaterize the litter you spam these
lists
with
>in that manner.
Here we have another demonstration of Ms. Maneck's
adherence to "scholarly" values and discourse.... I shall
add it to my collection....
>
>
>Susan Stiles Maneck
>History, Stetson University
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 4:53 PM
To: Jimo3#aol.com; HANI72#aol.com; CRust60001#aol.com; AAli929596#aol.com;
ccrawfeild@aol.com; Mr Mahdi; Nadle; Ruletherod; Macho786#aol.com;
Member1700#aol.com; PParvin#aol.com; RayHanania@aol.com;
RobertNik#aol.com; SAMaso#aol.com; Shaksway@aol.com; Smastr@aol.com
Subject: Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
Mark Foster's been doing the same thing to me and several
other people who don't share the fundamentalist
mindset. I've spoken with an AOL person regarding the
whole situation. We can appeal the false TOSs by
writing the TOSBoard1@aol.com and hostmgr@aol.com.
I've just forwarded a dozen or more messages from various
people complaining now in the For Non-Bahais folder to the above
addresses and suggest you write them as soon as you can
so that they hear from someone else. You know the literalists
have and will make me out to be a lone kook otherwise.
Encourage others to do the same. AOL woke up in the past
and got ride of Vahid and Edmund, former "Forum Leaders."
We can depend on them to do the right thing with Mark Foster
too but have to be patient and make the extra effort to inform
them what he's really doing now on AOL.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
Mark Foster's been doing the same thing to me and several
other people who don't share the fundamentalist
mindset. I've spoken with an AOL person regarding the
whole situation. We can appeal the false TOSs by
writing the TOSBoard1@aol.com and hostmgr@aol.com.
I've just forwarded a dozen or more messages from various
people complaining now in the For Non-Bahais folder to the above
addresses and suggest you write them as soon as you can
so that they hear from someone else. You know the literalists
have and will make me out to be a lone kook otherwise.
Encourage others to do the same. AOL woke up in the past
and got ride of Vahid and Edmund, former "Forum Leaders."
We can depend on them to do the right thing with Mark Foster
too but have to be patient and make the extra effort to inform
them what he's really doing now on AOL.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 4:56 PM
To: Jimo3#aol.com; HANI72#aol.com; CRust60001#aol.com; AAli929596#aol.com;
ccrawfeild@aol.com; Mr Mahdi; Nadle; Ruletherod; Macho786#aol.com;
Member1700#aol.com; PParvin#aol.com; RayHanania@aol.com;
RobertNik#aol.com; SAMaso#aol.com; Shaksway@aol.com; Smastr@aol.com
Subject: Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
This message is quite revealing about what many Bahais are actually up
to
with the TOS onslaught on AOL against people who don't toe the party
line.... "We live in hope" obviously refers to getting people
entirely
kicked off AOL by constantly alleging TOS violations against them. To do
so
is in itself a violation of the TOS system and can lead to the person
making
such false allegations to lose his or her account. Again,
I urge anyone who believes they are being treated unfairly or with a
double
standard to write hostmgr@aol.com and TOSBoards1@aol.com
>Subject: Re: 3 strikes and Mahdi's not out
>Date: 2/16/1999 2:29 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Chrrrstine
>Message-id: <19990216142917.28946.00002097@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>
>>Joh:
>>
>> WAYYY more than three. We live in hope.
>>
>>Rob
>>
>>
>
>Ah. Truly, a beautiful thread. Please don't try to take MY AOL account
>because you disagree with me. If you spend ANY time hoping differing
points
>of view have their accounts revoked, may I respectfully suggest that
you
>better spend that time in prayer. IMO God would want it that way.
>Love,
>Christine
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
This message is quite revealing about what many Bahais are actually up
to
with the TOS onslaught on AOL against people who don't toe the party
line.... "We live in hope" obviously refers to getting people
entirely
kicked off AOL by constantly alleging TOS violations against them. To do
so
is in itself a violation of the TOS system and can lead to the person
making
such false allegations to lose his or her account. Again,
I urge anyone who believes they are being treated unfairly or with a
double
standard to write hostmgr@aol.com and TOSBoards1@aol.com
>Subject: Re: 3 strikes and Mahdi's not out
>Date: 2/16/1999 2:29 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Chrrrstine
>Message-id: <19990216142917.28946.00002097@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>
>>Joh:
>>
>> WAYYY more than three. We live in hope.
>>
>>Rob
>>
>>
>
>Ah. Truly, a beautiful thread. Please don't try to take MY AOL account
>because you disagree with me. If you spend ANY time hoping differing
points
>of view have their accounts revoked, may I respectfully suggest that
you
>better spend that time in prayer. IMO God would want it that way.
>Love,
>Christine
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 5:20 PM
To: FG
Subject: False TOSs by Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Dear HostMGR & TOSBoards1:
I would like to state that the recent repeatedly alleged TOS
violations
against me and other members of the Bahai Forums are completely
false. The Bahai Forum Leader, Mark Foster, has failed to perform
his duties in any way whatsoever for more than EIGHT months. My
request that he resign was emailed to him more than two months ago,
and I have repeatedly asked him to resign. My reason for doing so is
he and other fundamentalist Bahais on AOL are manipulating and
using the Bahai Forums to suppress what information is available to
AOL members. Let me mention that I myself have been a member of
the Bahai Faith now for more than 23 years and have witnessed many
similar episodes in which Bahais have suppressed the freedom of
information and opinion.
I also believe these TOSs are acts of revenge against me for recently
creating talk.religion.bahai on Usenet, which fundamentalist Bahais
have opposed for more than two years and may be corroborated by
looking at my website which documents their opposition, including
their fanaticism on AOL.
Let me mention that TWO former Bahai Forums Leaders have
had to be removed by AOL in the past. I'm afraid it is now painfully
evident that this one too should be replaced by someone who does
not play out his religious beliefs into vindictive actions against Bahais,
non-Bahais, Muslims, whoever....
I should mention that Bahais of more conservative mindset regularly
insult others by suggesting they're "covenant breakers" or
"infirm in
the covenant" and so on. These phrases are insulting to myself and
others but Mark Foster has done absolutely nothing to bring a halt
to such behavior. One Bahai, Susan Maneck, has gone so far as
to repeatedly refer to my opinions as "garbage" and
"slander" and
has not been corrected by him in anyway. I am very tired of this
double standard, as are other AOL members in the Bahai Forums.
Please read especially "The Baha'i Technique" and AOL:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/technique.htm
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/AOL.htm
What is taking place on the AOL Bahai Forums is exceedingly complex
and will require serious efforts on the part of AOL personnel if you are
to
understand and make the right decisions.
Other than a fair and unbiased Forum Leader, I have been concerned
primarily with 3 ISSUES:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais (which appear now to have been fixed).
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/bahai.htm
I am forwarding this message to the HostMGR@aol.com and the
TOSBoards1@aol.com in the hope that one or the other can assist in
finding a person to serve fairly and impartially as Bahai Forum Leader.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/bahai.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 5:20 PM
To: FG
Subject: False TOSs by Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Dear HostMGR & TOSBoards1:
I would like to state that the recent repeatedly alleged TOS
violations
against me and other members of the Bahai Forums are completely
false. The Bahai Forum Leader, Mark Foster, has failed to perform
his duties in any way whatsoever for more than EIGHT months. My
request that he resign was emailed to him more than two months ago,
and I have repeatedly asked him to resign. My reason for doing so is
he and other fundamentalist Bahais on AOL are manipulating and
using the Bahai Forums to suppress what information is available to
AOL members. Let me mention that I myself have been a member of
the Bahai Faith now for more than 23 years and have witnessed many
similar episodes in which Bahais have suppressed the freedom of
information and opinion.
I also believe these TOSs are acts of revenge against me for recently
creating talk.religion.bahai on Usenet, which fundamentalist Bahais
have opposed for more than two years and may be corroborated by
looking at my website which documents their opposition, including
their fanaticism on AOL.
Let me mention that TWO former Bahai Forums Leaders have
had to be removed by AOL in the past. I'm afraid it is now painfully
evident that this one too should be replaced by someone who does
not play out his religious beliefs into vindictive actions against Bahais,
non-Bahais, Muslims, whoever....
I should mention that Bahais of more conservative mindset regularly
insult others by suggesting they're "covenant breakers" or
"infirm in
the covenant" and so on. These phrases are insulting to myself and
others but Mark Foster has done absolutely nothing to bring a halt
to such behavior. One Bahai, Susan Maneck, has gone so far as
to repeatedly refer to my opinions as "garbage" and
"slander" and
has not been corrected by him in anyway. I am very tired of this
double standard, as are other AOL members in the Bahai Forums.
Please read especially "The Baha'i Technique" and AOL:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/technique.htm
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/AOL.htm
What is taking place on the AOL Bahai Forums is exceedingly complex
and will require serious efforts on the part of AOL personnel if you are
to
understand and make the right decisions.
Other than a fair and unbiased Forum Leader, I have been concerned
primarily with 3 ISSUES:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais (which appear now to have been fixed).
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/bahai.htm
I am forwarding this message to the HostMGR@aol.com and the
TOSBoards1@aol.com in the hope that one or the other can assist in
finding a person to serve fairly and impartially as Bahai Forum Leader.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/bahai.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 5:25 PM
To: Jimo3#aol.com; HANI72#aol.com; CRust60001#aol.com; AAli929596#aol.com;
ccrawfeild@aol.com; Mr Mahdi; Nadle; Ruletherod; Macho786#aol.com;
Member1700#aol.com; PParvin#aol.com; RayHanania@aol.com;
RobertNik#aol.com; SAMaso#aol.com; Shaksway@aol.com; Smastr@aol.com
Subject: HostMGR & TOSBoards1 (Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations)
Dear HostMGR & TOSBoards1:
I would like to state that the recent repeatedly alleged TOS
violations
against me and other members of the Bahai Forums are completely
false. The Bahai Forum Leader, Mark Foster, has failed to perform
his duties in any way whatsoever for more than EIGHT months. My
request that he resign was emailed to him more than two months ago,
and I have repeatedly asked him to resign. My reason for doing so is
he and other fundamentalist Bahais on AOL are manipulating and
using the Bahai Forums to suppress what information is available to
AOL members. Let me mention that I myself have been a member of
the Bahai Faith now for more than 23 years and have witnessed many
similar episodes in which Bahais have suppressed the freedom of
information and opinion.
I also believe these TOSs are acts of revenge against me for recently
creating talk.religion.bahai on Usenet, which fundamentalist Bahais
have opposed for more than two years and may be corroborated by
looking at my website which documents their opposition, including
their fanaticism on AOL.
Let me mention that TWO former Bahai Forums Leaders have
had to be removed by AOL in the past. I'm afraid it is now painfully
evident that this one too should be replaced by someone who does
not play out his religious beliefs into vindictive actions against Bahais,
non-Bahais, Muslims, whoever....
I should mention that Bahais of more conservative mindset regularly
insult others by suggesting they're "covenant breakers" or
"infirm in
the covenant" and so on. These phrases are insulting to myself and
others but Mark Foster has done absolutely nothing to bring a halt
to such behavior. One Bahai, Susan Maneck, has gone so far as
to repeatedly refer to my opinions as "garbage" and
"slander" and
has not been corrected by him in anyway. I am very tired of this
double standard, as are other AOL members in the Bahai Forums.
Please read especially "The Baha'i Technique" and AOL:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/technique.htm
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/AOL.htm
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Maneck1.htm
What is taking place on the AOL Bahai Forums is exceedingly complex
and will require serious efforts on the part of AOL personnel if you are
to
understand and make the right decisions.
Other than a fair and unbiased Forum Leader, I have been concerned
primarily with 3 ISSUES:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais (which appear now to have been fixed).
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/bahai.htm
I am forwarding this message to the HostMGR@aol.com and the
TOSBoards1@aol.com in the hope that one or the other can assist in
finding a person to serve fairly and impartially as Bahai Forum Leader.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/bahai.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 5:25 PM
Subject: HostMGR & TOSBoards1 (Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations)
Dear HostMGR & TOSBoards1:
I would like to state that the recent repeatedly alleged TOS
violations
against me and other members of the Bahai Forums are completely
false. The Bahai Forum Leader, Mark Foster, has failed to perform
his duties in any way whatsoever for more than EIGHT months. My
request that he resign was emailed to him more than two months ago,
and I have repeatedly asked him to resign. My reason for doing so is
he and other fundamentalist Bahais on AOL are manipulating and
using the Bahai Forums to suppress what information is available to
AOL members. Let me mention that I myself have been a member of
the Bahai Faith now for more than 23 years and have witnessed many
similar episodes in which Bahais have suppressed the freedom of
information and opinion.
I also believe these TOSs are acts of revenge against me for recently
creating talk.religion.bahai on Usenet, which fundamentalist Bahais
have opposed for more than two years and may be corroborated by
looking at my website which documents their opposition, including
their fanaticism on AOL.
Let me mention that TWO former Bahai Forums Leaders have
had to be removed by AOL in the past. I'm afraid it is now painfully
evident that this one too should be replaced by someone who does
not play out his religious beliefs into vindictive actions against Bahais,
non-Bahais, Muslims, whoever....
I should mention that Bahais of more conservative mindset regularly
insult others by suggesting they're "covenant breakers" or
"infirm in
the covenant" and so on. These phrases are insulting to myself and
others but Mark Foster has done absolutely nothing to bring a halt
to such behavior. One Bahai, Susan Maneck, has gone so far as
to repeatedly refer to my opinions as "garbage" and
"slander" and
has not been corrected by him in anyway. I am very tired of this
double standard, as are other AOL members in the Bahai Forums.
Please read especially "The Baha'i Technique" and AOL:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/technique.htm
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/AOL.htm
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Maneck1.htm
What is taking place on the AOL Bahai Forums is exceedingly complex
and will require serious efforts on the part of AOL personnel if you are
to
understand and make the right decisions.
Other than a fair and unbiased Forum Leader, I have been concerned
primarily with 3 ISSUES:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais (which appear now to have been fixed).
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/bahai.htm
I am forwarding this message to the HostMGR@aol.com and the
TOSBoards1@aol.com in the hope that one or the other can assist in
finding a person to serve fairly and impartially as Bahai Forum Leader.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/bahai.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 6:07 PM
To: Jimo3#aol.com; HANI72#aol.com; CRust60001#aol.com; AAli929596#aol.com;
ccrawfeild@aol.com; Mr Mahdi; Nadle; Ruletherod; Macho786#aol.com;
Member1700#aol.com; PParvin#aol.com; RayHanania@aol.com;
RobertNik#aol.com; SAMaso#aol.com; Shaksway@aol.com; Smastr@aol.com
Subject: Re: HostMGR & TOSBoards1 (Re: AOL censorship via TOS
allegations)
I believe these TOSsed messages by Mark Foster
reveal quite clearly what he and other fundamentalists
on AOL are attempting to suppress....
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
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Subj: to TOS
Date: 2/18/1999 11:06:43 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Sent to TOS for attacks and spamming
Subject: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
Date: 02/18/1999 07:08 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990218080819.27436.00000683@ng90.aol.com>
>Subject: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>Date: 2/14/1999 1:02 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Smaneck
>Message-id: <19990214130206.20954.00002224@ng-fi1.aol.com>
>
>Christine asks:
>
>>Dearest Mr. Foster,
>>Who are you?
>>What is your authority?
>
>If I can answer for Dr. Foster. He is a professor of sociology at
Johnson
>City Community College. He is hired by the head of the spirituality
forums
to
>manage the Baha'i forum. Dr. Foster is a Baha'i. The leaders of each
forum
>typically belong to the religion in question since the forums are
designed
to
>support each religion.
He's paid MONEY for what he's doing!!!
>
>>Isn't this a Non-Baha'i board? Shouldn't a Non-bahi be in charge?
>
>Christine, we've been through this before.
Her point should not be brushed aside. It's a valid question, one I
support.
Two previous Bahais have demonstrated they could not be fair Forum Leaders
and were dismissed by AOL. Speaking as a Bahai, I believe Foster has
already
shown he is not playing fairly....
This is a non-Baha'i folder on the
>Baha'i Board. It is *not* a non-Baha'i Board. As such it is still
bound by
>the TOS rules for spirituality forums which I placed up before.
Folders do
>not have separate people in charge. The description of the folder is
>misleading and we have not been able to get that changed as yet. But
TOS
>rules still apply regardless of how the folder is described.
>
>
>warmest,
>
>Susan Maneck
What is the name and address of the Spiritual ity Forum Leader who has
hired
Mark Foster?
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Subj: to TOS
Date: 2/18/1999 11:04:44 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Sent to TOS for spamming.
Subj: to TOS
Date: 2/18/1999 10:59:36 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Another one - same reason
Subject: Re: Christine - TOS problems
Date: 02/18/1999 07:17 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990218081720.27436.00000687@ng90.aol.com>
>Subject: Re: Christine - TOS problems
>Date: 2/15/1999 4:10 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Chrrrstine
>Message-id: <19990215041017.20966.00003093@ng-fi1.aol.com>
>
>Sunni, You Wrote,
>>Christine
>>
>>If you sincerely feel that Baha'is are violating AOL TOS then you
should
>>report them. AOL will make the decision if it is truly a
violation or
not.
>
>>
>>You don't have to sit back and wait for someone else to do it if
you think
>it
>>should be done. Just got to keyword: notify AOL and follow
the
>instructions.
>>
>>Sunni
>>
>Sunni, A lot of Baha'is know about the double standard. It happened on
a
>Crowded day. I Do not believe in TOSing people (Unless threatened) or
>ignoring people. I am confident to stand on my ability to defend my
beliefs.
>I wish only to be treated fairly by the online Baha'i community.
Although I
>am slowly realizing that Fairness on this forum is impossible.
>Love,
>Christine
You're quite right.... Bahais are not playing fairly here and are
abusing
the TOS system.
You can write the hostmgr@aol.com and TOSBoards1@aol.com about this
fact if
you like. I urge others concerned about the manner in which Mark Foster is
hitting people with false TOSs to make their views known to AOL.
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Subj: to TOS
Date: 2/18/1999 10:50:13 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Sent to CAT for board disruption. You can't make these sorts of
accusations.
Subject: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
Date: 02/18/1999 07:42 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990218084244.27436.00000703@ng90.aol.com>
>Subject: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
>Date: 2/15/1999 4:51 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Mr Mahdi
>Message-id: <19990215165123.11988.00002094@ng103.aol.com>
>
>Too bad you and Mark were the only ones that saw the post before yours
truly
>yanked them off the third time. 3 of my post were yanked off,
and I am
being
>seriuos this time, I found my posts as one of most "mild"
posts I writen.
>The post you just read was yanked because it didnt fit a post that
belonged
>to a "support" forum. Oh well, like your posts are
supporting and praising
>mines. I see the typical double-standard
>going on here.
>Mahdi
AOL does provide for a system of TOS appeal. Write TOSBoards1@aol.com
regarding the double standards that are now being used to drive people off
these Boards. The hostmgr@aol.com should hear your views.
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Subj: to TOS
Date: 2/18/1999 10:47:30 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Again, sent to TOS for board disruption.
Subject: Re: Please Read!!!
Date: 02/18/1999 07:49 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990218084955.27436.00000708@ng90.aol.com>
>Subject: Please Read!!!
>Date: 2/15/1999 5:26 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: RBCF Mark
>Message-id: <19990215172653.02876.00000868@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>
>Folks,
>
>I am honestly getting tired of sending so many posts along to CAT
(Community
>Action Team -- the folks who handle TOS reports). However, I am
required to
>do so, as a part of my volunteer position in this forum. But it is
getting
>old rather quickly.
>
>May I make a personal plea that we please treat each other with the
human
>dignity that each of us deserve?
What about Bahais, Mark? Are they going to respect others' opinions?
After
over 22 years in the Bahai Faith, I would find it to be a first....
It doesn't matter whether we agree with
>someone. We can still address each person with basic human kindness.
If we
>would begin to do so, the majority of TOS reports (by myself and by
others)
>would end.
Sounds like a threat, none too veiled.... Unfortunately, I and others
believe you are using a decidedly double standard in choosing who to
report
on to the TOSGeneral.... I don't believe there's any doubt that that is
the
case.
>
>Also, we need to bear in mind that proselytizing (meaning, trying to
convert
>someone to one's own religion) or attacking or belittling the religion
of
>that particular forum is a TOS violation, plain and simple.
Translation:
>Members of another religions trying to convert Baha'is to their
religion
are
>in violation of TOS regulations. And members of other religions
attacking
or
>belittling the Baha'i Faith are in violation of TOS
>regulations.
What about Bahais harassing and attacking Bahais and non-Bahais on and
off
of AOL? I believe you're using a double standard here once again.
>
>People, I didn't make those rules up. They come from one of two
places:
>Either from CAT itself or from the policy makers of the spirituality
forums
>(of which the Baha'i Forum is a part).
You and other Bahais are interpreting and using them to further your
own
interpretations of what the Bahai Faith is or should be. AOL personnel are
extremely naive and uninformed in this regard but some are not....
>
>Sincerely, Mark A. Foster
>Bahá'í Faith Forum Manager
>https://www.markfoster.net
>https://markfoster.org
>https://bahai.nu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subj: to TOS
Date: 2/18/1999 10:38:37 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Again, sent to TOS, for the same reason.
Subject: Other victims of false TOSs
Date: 02/18/1999 09:14 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990218101450.27436.00000763@ng90.aol.com>
FYI
-----Original Message-----
From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 10:06 AM
Subject: fw nadle@aol.com Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
>I ask Bahais and non-Bahais who are familiar with
>the methods fundamentalist Bahais use to suppress
>free speech and conscience to also write the hostmgr@aol.com
>and the TOSBoards1@aol.com to help encourage them
>to rectify the situation. It seems to me that basically the same
>dynamics that have played themselves out with the opposition
>to talk.religion.bahai is now taking place, has been really for
>a long time, at least since last August, on AOL....
>
>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
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>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: FG@aol.com <FG@aol.com>
>To: Nadle@aol.com <Nadle@aol.com>
>Cc: FG@hotmail.com <FG@hotmail.com>
>Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 1:58 AM
>Subject: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>
>
>>He's been doing the same thing to me and several
>>other people who don't share the fundamentalist
>>mindset. I've spoken with an AOL person regarding the
>>whole situation. We can appeal the false TOSs by
>>writing the TOSBoard1@aol.com and hostmgr@aol.com.
>>
>>I've just forwarded a dozen or more messages from various
>>people complaining now in For Non-Bahais to the above
>>addresses and suggest you write them as soon as you can
>>so that they hear from someone else. You know the literalists
>>have and will make me out to be a lone kook otherwise. I
>>
>>Encourage others to do the same. AOL woke up in the past
>>and got ride of Vahid and Edmund, former "Forum
Leaders."
>>
>>We can depend on them to do the right thing with Mark Foster
>>too but have to be patient and make the extra effort to inform
>>them what he's really doing now on AOL.
>>
>>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Subj: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>>Date: 2/18/1999 9:26:24 AM Eastern Standard Time
>>From: nadle@aol.com (Nadle)
>>To: FG@aol.com
>>
>>Fred,
>>
>>I'm getting really ticked off with Mark's censorship.
>>
>>I was wrong and you, it turns out, have been right.
>>
>>I wasnt to send a complaint to AOL about Mark. He's
pulled several of my
>>posts and forwarded them to TOS. TOS, however, have blown
him off.
>>
>>When I repost those deleted posts, he yanks them again, and
forwards
>them -
>>yet again - to TOS.
>>
>>What do I do?
>>
>>Thank you for the information.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Larry Rhodes
>>
>>
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>>Newsgroups: aol.boards.internal0.top-o-world.aol-department-
>>level.associations-specia.bahai.for-non-bahais1f6ff4
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>>Organization: AOL https://www.aol.com
>>References: <19990218080242.27436.00000677@ng90.aol.com>
>>From: nadle@aol.com (Nadle)
>>Subject: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
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Subj: To TOS
Date: 2/18/1999 10:35:33 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Subject: AOL Bahai censorship via false TOS allegations
Date: 02/18/1999 09:21 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990218102111.27436.00000768@ng90.aol.com>
I sent this to TOS for action. Of course, it is, as always, their
decision,
not mine.
-----Original Message-----
From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 10:06 AM
Subject: fw nadle@aol.com Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
>I ask Bahais and non-Bahais who are familiar with
>the methods fundamentalist Bahais use to suppress
>free speech and conscience to also write the hostmgr@aol.com
>and the TOSBoards1@aol.com to help encourage them
>to rectify the situation. It seems to me that basically the same
>dynamics that have played themselves out with the opposition
>to talk.religion.bahai is now taking place, has been really for
>a long time, at least since last August, on AOL....
>
>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
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>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: FG@aol.com <FG@aol.com>
>To: Nadle@aol.com <Nadle@aol.com>
>Cc: FG@hotmail.com <FG@hotmail.com>
>Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 1:58 AM
>Subject: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>
>
>>He's been doing the same thing to me and several
>>other people who don't share the fundamentalist
>>mindset. I've spoken with an AOL person regarding the
>>whole situation. We can appeal the false TOSs by
>>writing the TOSBoard1@aol.com and hostmgr@aol.com.
>>
>>I've just forwarded a dozen or more messages from various
>>people complaining now in For Non-Bahais to the above
>>addresses and suggest you write them as soon as you can
>>so that they hear from someone else. You know the literalists
>>have and will make me out to be a lone kook otherwise. I
>>
>>Encourage others to do the same. AOL woke up in the past
>>and got ride of Vahid and Edmund, former "Forum
Leaders."
>>
>>We can depend on them to do the right thing with Mark Foster
>>too but have to be patient and make the extra effort to inform
>>them what he's really doing now on AOL.
>>
>>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Subj: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>>Date: 2/18/1999 9:26:24 AM Eastern Standard Time
>>From: nadle@aol.com (Nadle)
>>To: FG@aol.com
>>
>>Fred,
>>
>>I'm getting really ticked off with Mark's censorship.
>>
>>I was wrong and you, it turns out, have been right.
>>
>>I wasnt to send a complaint to AOL about Mark. He's
pulled several of my
>>posts and forwarded them to TOS. TOS, however, have blown
him off.
>>
>>When I repost those deleted posts, he yanks them again, and
forwards
>them -
>>yet again - to TOS.
>>
>>What do I do?
>>
>>Thank you for the information.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Larry Rhodes
>>
>>
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>>Newsgroups: aol.boards.internal0.top-o-world.aol-department-
>>level.associations-specia.bahai.for-non-bahais1f6ff4
>>To: FG@aol.com
>>Organization: AOL https://www.aol.com
>>References: <19990218080242.27436.00000677@ng90.aol.com>
>>From: nadle@aol.com (Nadle)
>>Subject: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>>Message-ID: <19990218092622.27682.00003216@ng97.aol.com>
>>
>
>
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----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: HostMGR & TOSBoards1 (Re: AOL censorship via TOS
allegations)
I believe these TOSsed messages by Mark Foster
reveal quite clearly what he and other fundamentalists
on AOL are attempting to suppress....
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Subj: to TOS
Date: 2/18/1999 11:06:43 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Sent to TOS for attacks and spamming
Subject: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
Date: 02/18/1999 07:08 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990218080819.27436.00000683@ng90.aol.com>
>Subject: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>Date: 2/14/1999 1:02 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Smaneck
>Message-id: <19990214130206.20954.00002224@ng-fi1.aol.com>
>
>Christine asks:
>
>>Dearest Mr. Foster,
>>Who are you?
>>What is your authority?
>
>If I can answer for Dr. Foster. He is a professor of sociology at
Johnson
>City Community College. He is hired by the head of the spirituality
forums
to
>manage the Baha'i forum. Dr. Foster is a Baha'i. The leaders of each
forum
>typically belong to the religion in question since the forums are
designed
to
>support each religion.
He's paid MONEY for what he's doing!!!
>
>>Isn't this a Non-Baha'i board? Shouldn't a Non-bahi be in charge?
>
>Christine, we've been through this before.
Her point should not be brushed aside. It's a valid question, one I
support.
Two previous Bahais have demonstrated they could not be fair Forum Leaders
and were dismissed by AOL. Speaking as a Bahai, I believe Foster has
already
shown he is not playing fairly....
This is a non-Baha'i folder on the
>Baha'i Board. It is *not* a non-Baha'i Board. As such it is still
bound by
>the TOS rules for spirituality forums which I placed up before.
Folders do
>not have separate people in charge. The description of the folder is
>misleading and we have not been able to get that changed as yet. But
TOS
>rules still apply regardless of how the folder is described.
>
>
>warmest,
>
>Susan Maneck
What is the name and address of the Spiritual ity Forum Leader who has
hired
Mark Foster?
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Subj: to TOS
Date: 2/18/1999 11:04:44 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Sent to TOS for spamming.
Subj: to TOS
Date: 2/18/1999 10:59:36 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Another one - same reason
Subject: Re: Christine - TOS problems
Date: 02/18/1999 07:17 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990218081720.27436.00000687@ng90.aol.com>
>Subject: Re: Christine - TOS problems
>Date: 2/15/1999 4:10 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Chrrrstine
>Message-id: <19990215041017.20966.00003093@ng-fi1.aol.com>
>
>Sunni, You Wrote,
>>Christine
>>
>>If you sincerely feel that Baha'is are violating AOL TOS then you
should
>>report them. AOL will make the decision if it is truly a
violation or
not.
>
>>
>>You don't have to sit back and wait for someone else to do it if
you think
>it
>>should be done. Just got to keyword: notify AOL and follow
the
>instructions.
>>
>>Sunni
>>
>Sunni, A lot of Baha'is know about the double standard. It happened on
a
>Crowded day. I Do not believe in TOSing people (Unless threatened) or
>ignoring people. I am confident to stand on my ability to defend my
beliefs.
>I wish only to be treated fairly by the online Baha'i community.
Although I
>am slowly realizing that Fairness on this forum is impossible.
>Love,
>Christine
You're quite right.... Bahais are not playing fairly here and are
abusing
the TOS system.
You can write the hostmgr@aol.com and TOSBoards1@aol.com about this
fact if
you like. I urge others concerned about the manner in which Mark Foster is
hitting people with false TOSs to make their views known to AOL.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: to TOS
Date: 2/18/1999 10:50:13 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Sent to CAT for board disruption. You can't make these sorts of
accusations.
Subject: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
Date: 02/18/1999 07:42 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990218084244.27436.00000703@ng90.aol.com>
>Subject: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
>Date: 2/15/1999 4:51 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Mr Mahdi
>Message-id: <19990215165123.11988.00002094@ng103.aol.com>
>
>Too bad you and Mark were the only ones that saw the post before yours
truly
>yanked them off the third time. 3 of my post were yanked off,
and I am
being
>seriuos this time, I found my posts as one of most "mild"
posts I writen.
>The post you just read was yanked because it didnt fit a post that
belonged
>to a "support" forum. Oh well, like your posts are
supporting and praising
>mines. I see the typical double-standard
>going on here.
>Mahdi
AOL does provide for a system of TOS appeal. Write TOSBoards1@aol.com
regarding the double standards that are now being used to drive people off
these Boards. The hostmgr@aol.com should hear your views.
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Conscience:
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alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: to TOS
Date: 2/18/1999 10:47:30 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Again, sent to TOS for board disruption.
Subject: Re: Please Read!!!
Date: 02/18/1999 07:49 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990218084955.27436.00000708@ng90.aol.com>
>Subject: Please Read!!!
>Date: 2/15/1999 5:26 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: RBCF Mark
>Message-id: <19990215172653.02876.00000868@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>
>Folks,
>
>I am honestly getting tired of sending so many posts along to CAT
(Community
>Action Team -- the folks who handle TOS reports). However, I am
required to
>do so, as a part of my volunteer position in this forum. But it is
getting
>old rather quickly.
>
>May I make a personal plea that we please treat each other with the
human
>dignity that each of us deserve?
What about Bahais, Mark? Are they going to respect others' opinions?
After
over 22 years in the Bahai Faith, I would find it to be a first....
It doesn't matter whether we agree with
>someone. We can still address each person with basic human kindness.
If we
>would begin to do so, the majority of TOS reports (by myself and by
others)
>would end.
Sounds like a threat, none too veiled.... Unfortunately, I and others
believe you are using a decidedly double standard in choosing who to
report
on to the TOSGeneral.... I don't believe there's any doubt that that is
the
case.
>
>Also, we need to bear in mind that proselytizing (meaning, trying to
convert
>someone to one's own religion) or attacking or belittling the religion
of
>that particular forum is a TOS violation, plain and simple.
Translation:
>Members of another religions trying to convert Baha'is to their
religion
are
>in violation of TOS regulations. And members of other religions
attacking
or
>belittling the Baha'i Faith are in violation of TOS
>regulations.
What about Bahais harassing and attacking Bahais and non-Bahais on and
off
of AOL? I believe you're using a double standard here once again.
>
>People, I didn't make those rules up. They come from one of two
places:
>Either from CAT itself or from the policy makers of the spirituality
forums
>(of which the Baha'i Forum is a part).
You and other Bahais are interpreting and using them to further your
own
interpretations of what the Bahai Faith is or should be. AOL personnel are
extremely naive and uninformed in this regard but some are not....
>
>Sincerely, Mark A. Foster
>Bahá'í Faith Forum Manager
>https://www.markfoster.net
>https://markfoster.org
>https://bahai.nu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: to TOS
Date: 2/18/1999 10:38:37 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Again, sent to TOS, for the same reason.
Subject: Other victims of false TOSs
Date: 02/18/1999 09:14 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990218101450.27436.00000763@ng90.aol.com>
FYI
-----Original Message-----
From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 10:06 AM
Subject: fw nadle@aol.com Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
>I ask Bahais and non-Bahais who are familiar with
>the methods fundamentalist Bahais use to suppress
>free speech and conscience to also write the hostmgr@aol.com
>and the TOSBoards1@aol.com to help encourage them
>to rectify the situation. It seems to me that basically the same
>dynamics that have played themselves out with the opposition
>to talk.religion.bahai is now taking place, has been really for
>a long time, at least since last August, on AOL....
>
>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: FG@aol.com <FG@aol.com>
>To: Nadle@aol.com <Nadle@aol.com>
>Cc: FG@hotmail.com <FG@hotmail.com>
>Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 1:58 AM
>Subject: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>
>
>>He's been doing the same thing to me and several
>>other people who don't share the fundamentalist
>>mindset. I've spoken with an AOL person regarding the
>>whole situation. We can appeal the false TOSs by
>>writing the TOSBoard1@aol.com and hostmgr@aol.com.
>>
>>I've just forwarded a dozen or more messages from various
>>people complaining now in For Non-Bahais to the above
>>addresses and suggest you write them as soon as you can
>>so that they hear from someone else. You know the literalists
>>have and will make me out to be a lone kook otherwise. I
>>
>>Encourage others to do the same. AOL woke up in the past
>>and got ride of Vahid and Edmund, former "Forum
Leaders."
>>
>>We can depend on them to do the right thing with Mark Foster
>>too but have to be patient and make the extra effort to inform
>>them what he's really doing now on AOL.
>>
>>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Subj: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>>Date: 2/18/1999 9:26:24 AM Eastern Standard Time
>>From: nadle@aol.com (Nadle)
>>To: FG@aol.com
>>
>>Fred,
>>
>>I'm getting really ticked off with Mark's censorship.
>>
>>I was wrong and you, it turns out, have been right.
>>
>>I wasnt to send a complaint to AOL about Mark. He's
pulled several of my
>>posts and forwarded them to TOS. TOS, however, have blown
him off.
>>
>>When I repost those deleted posts, he yanks them again, and
forwards
>them -
>>yet again - to TOS.
>>
>>What do I do?
>>
>>Thank you for the information.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Larry Rhodes
>>
>>
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>>level.associations-specia.bahai.for-non-bahais1f6ff4
>>To: FG@aol.com
>>Organization: AOL https://www.aol.com
>>References: <19990218080242.27436.00000677@ng90.aol.com>
>>From: nadle@aol.com (Nadle)
>>Subject: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>>Message-ID: <19990218092622.27682.00003216@ng97.aol.com>
>>
>
>
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Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: To TOS
Date: 2/18/1999 10:35:33 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Subject: AOL Bahai censorship via false TOS allegations
Date: 02/18/1999 09:21 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990218102111.27436.00000768@ng90.aol.com>
I sent this to TOS for action. Of course, it is, as always, their
decision,
not mine.
-----Original Message-----
From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 10:06 AM
Subject: fw nadle@aol.com Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
>I ask Bahais and non-Bahais who are familiar with
>the methods fundamentalist Bahais use to suppress
>free speech and conscience to also write the hostmgr@aol.com
>and the TOSBoards1@aol.com to help encourage them
>to rectify the situation. It seems to me that basically the same
>dynamics that have played themselves out with the opposition
>to talk.religion.bahai is now taking place, has been really for
>a long time, at least since last August, on AOL....
>
>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: FG@aol.com <FG@aol.com>
>To: Nadle@aol.com <Nadle@aol.com>
>Cc: FG@hotmail.com <FG@hotmail.com>
>Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 1:58 AM
>Subject: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>
>
>>He's been doing the same thing to me and several
>>other people who don't share the fundamentalist
>>mindset. I've spoken with an AOL person regarding the
>>whole situation. We can appeal the false TOSs by
>>writing the TOSBoard1@aol.com and hostmgr@aol.com.
>>
>>I've just forwarded a dozen or more messages from various
>>people complaining now in For Non-Bahais to the above
>>addresses and suggest you write them as soon as you can
>>so that they hear from someone else. You know the literalists
>>have and will make me out to be a lone kook otherwise. I
>>
>>Encourage others to do the same. AOL woke up in the past
>>and got ride of Vahid and Edmund, former "Forum
Leaders."
>>
>>We can depend on them to do the right thing with Mark Foster
>>too but have to be patient and make the extra effort to inform
>>them what he's really doing now on AOL.
>>
>>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Subj: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>>Date: 2/18/1999 9:26:24 AM Eastern Standard Time
>>From: nadle@aol.com (Nadle)
>>To: FG@aol.com
>>
>>Fred,
>>
>>I'm getting really ticked off with Mark's censorship.
>>
>>I was wrong and you, it turns out, have been right.
>>
>>I wasnt to send a complaint to AOL about Mark. He's
pulled several of my
>>posts and forwarded them to TOS. TOS, however, have blown
him off.
>>
>>When I repost those deleted posts, he yanks them again, and
forwards
>them -
>>yet again - to TOS.
>>
>>What do I do?
>>
>>Thank you for the information.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Larry Rhodes
>>
>>
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>>level.associations-specia.bahai.for-non-bahais1f6ff4
>>To: FG@aol.com
>>Organization: AOL https://www.aol.com
>>References: <19990218080242.27436.00000677@ng90.aol.com>
>>From: nadle@aol.com (Nadle)
>>Subject: Re: Who is Mark Foster?
>>Message-ID: <19990218092622.27682.00003216@ng97.aol.com>
>>
>
>
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Conscience:
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 6:11 PM
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Subject: fw Mr Mahdi Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
Subj: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
Date: 2/18/1999 5:05:16 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Mr Mahdi
To: FG
These are the posts that were yanked off by Mark (you can post these
on you
site if you wish):
Subj: sent to TOS
Date: 2/15/99 1:12:27 PM Central Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: Mr Mahdi
I sent this one to TOS for the same reason as the last one. The Baha'i
Faith
Forum is a support forum.
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Faith Forum Manager
Subject: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
Date: 2/15/99 12:36 Central Standard Time
From: Mr Mahdi
Message-id: <19990215133644.04250.00002113@ng43.aol.com>
I would like everybody to know that two of my posts were yanked off by
the
fair and open-minded Mark. I was expressing myself like I do always
in
these excellent posts. I wrote about the oppressive and suppresive
way
"some" bahais treat people with critical views of the bahai
faith. I
mentioned my treatment by two very well known people here, let just say
Mrs.
W and Mrs/PhD S. Mark obviously felt that I was
prostelyzing Islam here so he yanked my post off and sent me an e-mail
telling he reported me twice to TOS. I felt this was and is unfair,
and it
is proof of the silence of dissenters and sincere and open minded thinkers
by certain extremist elements. I would want Mark to post my posts
that were
yanked off so people can see for themselves.I had it from the law, the
system, and now the bahais here at AOL. I just cant get out of
trouble for
some
reason, even when I swear I didnt do anything wrong.
Mahdi
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 6:11 PM
Subject: fw Mr Mahdi Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
Subj: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
Date: 2/18/1999 5:05:16 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Mr Mahdi
To: FG
These are the posts that were yanked off by Mark (you can post these
on you
site if you wish):
Subj: sent to TOS
Date: 2/15/99 1:12:27 PM Central Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: Mr Mahdi
I sent this one to TOS for the same reason as the last one. The Baha'i
Faith
Forum is a support forum.
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Faith Forum Manager
Subject: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
Date: 2/15/99 12:36 Central Standard Time
From: Mr Mahdi
Message-id: <19990215133644.04250.00002113@ng43.aol.com>
I would like everybody to know that two of my posts were yanked off by
the
fair and open-minded Mark. I was expressing myself like I do always
in
these excellent posts. I wrote about the oppressive and suppresive
way
"some" bahais treat people with critical views of the bahai
faith. I
mentioned my treatment by two very well known people here, let just say
Mrs.
W and Mrs/PhD S. Mark obviously felt that I was
prostelyzing Islam here so he yanked my post off and sent me an e-mail
telling he reported me twice to TOS. I felt this was and is unfair,
and it
is proof of the silence of dissenters and sincere and open minded thinkers
by certain extremist elements. I would want Mark to post my posts
that were
yanked off so people can see for themselves.I had it from the law, the
system, and now the bahais here at AOL. I just cant get out of
trouble for
some
reason, even when I swear I didnt do anything wrong.
Mahdi
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 6:18 PM
Subject: fw Mr Mahdi Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
FYI
Subj: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
Date: 2/18/1999 5:11:16 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Mr Mahdi
To: FG
Subj: sent to TOS
Date: 2/17/99 3:54:26 AM Central Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: Mr Mahdi
Mahdi,
This is the Baha'i Forum. Referring to Baha'i activities, of any sort,
as
"BS" is, IMO, inappropriate. I have forwarded this message to
TOS with a
recommendation that you not be allowed to post messages on this forum.
Subject: The Blind Faith For Dummies Book
Date: 02/16/1999 23:09 Central Standard Time
From: Mr Mahdi
Message-id: <19990217000921.16804.00001419@ng111.aol.com>
>On this issue of science, the bahai faith compromises its beliefs
in order
to
>gain converts from the scientific world. The catchy slogan of
unity of
>religion and science has a price to pay when it comes to Creation Vs.
>materialistic evolution. Bahais believe that Adam and Eve story
in the
bible
>and Quran is an allegory. God teaches us that Adam and Eve had
no parents,
>but the bahai believes in evolution. This is a clear
contradiction. How I
>respond to atheists is that I prove that materialistic evolution is a
>perception of how creation came to be, and when I do that I put the
>materialist in a corner and on the run, not the other way
around. God can
be
>proven intellectually, and I hope the cynics out there who believe God
can
>only be proven in faith realize this.
>Mahdi
Yes, I am quoting myself. I like to remind people here on the
curse of
blind faith and the curse of determining God based on whether or not it
agrees with your desires. I hope people realize how stupid and
unintellectual they sound if they believe in something that they
themselves
can't prove except thru beating around the bush apologetic BS.
Mahdi
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 6:19 PM
Subject: fw Mr Mahdi 2 Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
FYI
Subj: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
Date: 2/18/1999 5:13:33 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Mr Mahdi
To: FG
Subj: sent to TOS
Date: 2/17/99 4:03:21 AM Central Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: Mr Mahdi
Mahdi,
This is not the Islamic Forum. It is the Baha'i Forum. Your statement
that
the Baha'i Faith compromises its beliefs is, IMO, improper.
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
Subject: Re: Susan: Homosexsuality is wrong
Date: 02/16/1999 21:29 Central Standard Time
From: Mr Mahdi
Message-id: <19990216222922.00753.00002917@ng14.aol.com>
A PhD proves that you can get it without being an intellectual.
PL asked
why is red wine not forbidden while its has proven I guess that it is
beneficial to one's health. Susan didnt respond in my opinion good
enough.
I would of responded by saying that God never told us why he forbade wine
except that it cause you to be mad and dizzy. God never said alcohol
was
not good or bad for your health, God forbade it without
giving us a reason other than the two above. Also with swine, God
never
said he forbade swine because it can cause heart attacks, He forbade and
we
shouldnt speculate why God does this or that, because God's Minds is
beyond
human comprehension.
On this issue of science, the bahai faith compromises its beliefs in
order
to gain converts from the scientific world. The catchy slogan of
unity of
religion and science has a price to pay when it comes to Creation Vs.
materialistic evolution. Bahais believe that Adam and Eve story in
the
bible and Quran is an allegory. God teaches us that Adam and Eve had
no
parents, but the bahai believes in evolution. This is a clear
contradiction. How I
respond to atheists is that I prove that materialistic evolution is a
perception of how creation came to be, and when I do that I put the
materialist in a corner and on the run, not the other way around.
God can
be proven intellectually, and I hope the cynics out there who believe God
can only be proven in faith realize this.
Mahdi
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 6:21 PM
Subject: fw Mr Mahdi 3 Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations)
FYI
Subj: Re: Getting TOSsed in the slammer
Date: 2/18/1999 5:14:29 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Mr Mahdi
To: FG
Subj: sent to TOS
Date: 2/17/99 4:35:29 AM Central Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: Mr Mahdi
Sent to TOS for calling people idiots.
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
Subject: Wendy saw my intellectual skills!
Date: 02/16/1999 20:46 Central Standard Time
From: Mr Mahdi
Message-id: <19990216214630.15962.00003212@ng38.aol.com>
Tonight in the bahai chat Wendy was confronted by an atheist.
She was asked
about God. The atheist asked for proof that a God exist and later on
after
Wendy gave the "faith" response, the atheist had a chance to go
toe and toe
with yours truly. I ask the atheist one simple question, with Wendy
paying
close attention. The atheist was speechless, he got stumped, he was
reaching for anything in the air, all form a
simple question. This is proof that God can be proven
intellectually, and
the "idiots" who keep saying its "faith" that proves
God's existence make it
bad on all those who believe in God. Remember, God isnt a version or
some
vague concept of one's imagination, and the notion "of beleiving in a
God
that does this doesnt do that" is a waste of space. I see
people who preach
this type of message as the biggest reason why secularism is taking over
in
mainly Judeo-Christian societies. Intellectuals see truth as facts
not just
"beliefs" and see faith as either blind or intellectual.
Unfortunately,
when people who believe in God according to their whims and desires is
confronted by a sincere thinker, the thinker is turned off by the nonsense
of blind faith and apologetic responses. I see this as very sad,
because
like I said many times in the past, I cant stand "people of
religion"
because they
leave intellectuality at the door and start ranting and raving about God
is
faith or my version of God must be this or that.
Mahdi
----------
From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 6:29 PM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: (no subject)
I am trying to communicate with a human being at AOL,
not an autoresponder. The "forum's staff or supervisor" is the
problem, and so I am appealing to you, the Hostmgr, and
the TOSBoards1, as directed by someone on your 888-265-3733
number.
FG
FG@aol.com
Subj: Fwd: False TOSs allegations by Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Date: 2/18/1999 5:23:36 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:TOSGen2">TOSGen2</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
Dear Member,
Questions or comments regarding activities in a particular forum need
to be
addressed to the forum's staff or supervisor. Most forums have a
"Feedback" or
"Meet the Staff" button on their main screen; this is the best
way to contact
staff members.
If you are unable to locate the screen name of a staff member, you may
want to
go to keyword <A
HREF="aol://1722:help">QUESTIONS</A> or
<A HREF="aol://1722:suggestions">SUGGESTIONS</A>.
Your letter will be
forwarded from there to the proper person.
Thank you for writing.
Please note, this screen name cannot accept replies. Therefore, if you
have
any comments or questions please send mail to <A HREF="mailto:
TOSGeneral">
TOSGeneral</A>.
Regards,
Donna
Community Action Team
America Online, Inc.
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Subj: False TOSs allegations by Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Date: 2/18/1999 4:21:59 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:Host Mgr">Host Mgr</A>
CC: <A HREF="mailto:TOSBoards1">TOSBoards1</A>
Dear HostMGR & TOSBoards1:
I would like to state that the recent repeatedly alleged TOS
violations
against me and other members of the Bahai Forums are completely
false. The Bahai Forum Leader, Mark Foster, has failed to
perform
his duties in any way whatsoever for more than EIGHT months. My
request that he resign was emailed to him more than two months ago,
and I have repeatedly asked him to resign. My reason for doing so is
he and other fundamentalist Bahais on AOL are manipulating and
using the Bahai Forums to suppress what information is available to
AOL members. Let me mention that I myself have been a member of
the Bahai Faith now for more than 23 years and have witnessed many
similar episodes in which Bahais have suppressed the freedom of
information and opinion.
I also believe these TOSs are acts of revenge against me for
recently
creating talk.religion.bahai on Usenet, which fundamentalist Bahais
have opposed for more than two years and may be corroborated by
looking at my website which documents their opposition, including
their fanaticism on AOL.
Let me mention that TWO former Bahai Forums Leaders have
had to be removed by AOL in the past. I'm afraid it is now painfully
evident that this one too should be replaced by someone who does
not play out his religious beliefs into vindictive actions against Bahais,
non-Bahais, Muslims, whoever....
I should mention that Bahais of more conservative mindset regularly
insult others by suggesting they're "covenant breakers" or
"infirm in
the covenant" and so on. These phrases are insulting to myself and
others but Mark Foster has done absolutely nothing to bring a halt
to such behavior. One Bahai, Susan Maneck, has gone so far as
to repeatedly refer to my opinions as "garbage" and
"slander" and
has not been corrected by him in anyway. I am very tired of this
double standard, as are other AOL members in the Bahai Forums.
Please read especially "The Baha'i Technique" and AOL:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/technique.htm
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/AOL.htm
What is taking place on the AOL Bahai Forums is exceedingly
complex
and will require serious efforts on the part of AOL personnel if you are
to
understand and make the right decisions.
Other than a fair and unbiased Forum Leader, I have been
concerned
primarily with 3 ISSUES:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais (which appear now to have been fixed).
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/bahai.htm
I am forwarding this message to the HostMGR@aol.com and the
TOSBoards1@aol.com in the hope that one or the other can assist in
finding a person to serve fairly and impartially as Bahai Forum Leader.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/bahai.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
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From: Nadle@aol.com[SMTP:Nadle@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 19, 1999 10:56 AM
To: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: The TOS game
Fred,
When you send e-mail to me a several other people simultaneously,
please use
BBCs for all of us.
Thanks,
Lars
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 19, 1999 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
Ron House wrote in message <36CCF76F.680B64F0@usq.edu.au>...
>FG wrote:
>
>> Foster has repeatedly violated the TOS system on AOL
>> against me and several other individuals by alleging FALSE
>> TOSs and should be removed immediately from his position
>> as Forum Leader.
>
>> I am presently working on a message to the hostmgr@aol.com
>> and TOSBoards1@aol.com to this effect and encourage others
>> who have been targeted by him and other Bahai fundamentalists
>> on AOL to write also.
>
>Discussions about AOL or the actions of individuals there are OFF
TOPIC
>for this newsgroup. I respectfully ask everyone posting to either
relate
>their comments to the Baha'i Faith or to cease.
As an extension of the same censorship and tyranny
that opposed the creation of talk.religion.bahai for
the past TWO YEARS, this topic is hardly irrelevant....
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 19, 1999 8:42 AM
To: Mr Mahdi
Subject: Re: fw Mr Mahdi Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
Smaneck wrote in message
<19990218234225.26429.00003514@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
>Fred quotes Mahdi as saying:
>
>> I
>>mentioned my treatment by two very well known people here, let
just say
Mrs.
>>W and Mrs/PhD S.
><snip> >I swear I didnt do anything wrong.
>
>What Mahdi is referring to here is the fact that after he publicly
posted
an
>Instant Message between himself and "W" I refused to
communicate with him
via
>IMs any longer. When I refused and blocked his messages he began to
invent
new
>screen names to get past my blocks and continue to harrass me. .
Naturally
I
>reported these incidents to AOL and that is why Mahdi believes he is
being
>persecuted.
I don't know if the incident is true or not, but I do know that
Bahais have harassed me in exactly the same way with
Instant Messages, a kind of chat connection for AOL
members. I finally had to block ALL of them....
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 19, 1999 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: fw Mr Mahdi Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
Smaneck wrote in message
<19990218234225.26429.00003514@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
>Fred quotes Mahdi as saying:
>
>> I
>>mentioned my treatment by two very well known people here, let
just say
Mrs.
>>W and Mrs/PhD S.
><snip> >I swear I didnt do anything wrong.
>
>What Mahdi is referring to here is the fact that after he publicly
posted
an
>Instant Message between himself and "W" I refused to
communicate with him
via
>IMs any longer. When I refused and blocked his messages he began to
invent
new
>screen names to get past my blocks and continue to harrass me. .
Naturally
I
>reported these incidents to AOL and that is why Mahdi believes he is
being
>persecuted.
I don't know if the incident is true or not, but I do know that
Bahais have harassed me in exactly the same way with
Instant Messages, a kind of chat connection for AOL
members. I finally had to block ALL of them....
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 19, 1999 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
Milissa Boyer Kafes wrote in message
<7aibcp$brj$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>
>Please take this as the constructive criticism it is intended to be.
Thanks
You're free to think and post what you want Milissa, and so am I....
Since the creation of talk.religion.bahai, a MAJOR
campaign has begun by the fundamentalists on AOL to kick
me and others off. It is related to the same tyranny and oppression
that have manifested themselves on soc.religion.bahai and
elsewhere during the last decade or so.... In my opinion, the
whole topic BELONGS on talk.religion.bahai, the only widely
accessible and free forum on the Bahai Faith.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 19, 1999 10:05 AM
To: Smastr@aol.com
Subject: Re: The TOS game
Sorry. I'll remove you from it.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
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From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 1999 9:51 AM
To: HostMgr@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com; TOSBoards1@aol.com
Subject: Re: False TOSs allegations by Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Dear HostMGR,
Please inform me of who does work with the Bahai Forum.
An AOL person at the 888-265-3733 number advised me
to write to you to appeal the false TOSs the present
Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster is hitting me and many
other people with.
I was assured by writing to you I would be communicating
with a human being instead of the autoresponders I get
at the other addresses.
I appreciate your help and time and look forward to hearing
from you.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: Re: False TOSs allegations by Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Date: 2/20/1999 7:31:55 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:Host Mgr">Host Mgr</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
Please take me off these mailings.
I don't work with this forum.
Thanks,
Host MGR
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From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 1999 2:20 PM
To: RBCFMark@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: files
Who is she? Susan Maneck?
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: files
Date: 2/20/1999 11:51:17 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:RBCF Mark">RBCF Mark</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
Fred,
Since there are so many of them, I am going wait until our new
librarian comes
on board (which should be shortly). She will be able to look at your
uploads,
check them for TOS, etc.
I will send her a note to that effect.
Mark A. Foster
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From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 1999 2:38 PM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: RBCFMark@aol.com; FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Off-topic
The message below is off topic in the For Non-Bahais folder.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subject: Qur'ánic Search Engines
Date: 2/20/1999 11:46 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:RBCF Mark">RBCF Mark</A>
Message-id: <19990220114655.01377.00000650@ng13.aol.com>
Folks,
I just uploaded an MS-DOS qur'ánic search program to the Baháí
library.
However, it works fine under Windows 98 (and, presumably, under earlier
versions of Windows).
I also created a new links page specifically for the Qur'án and
qur'ánic
search engines. It is located
<A
HREF="https://www.jccc.net/~mfoster/quran.html">here</A>.
Sincerely, Mark A. Foster
Bahá'í Faith Forum Manager
<A
HREF="https://www.markfoster.net/">https://www.markfoster.net</A>
<A
HREF="https://markfoster.org/">https://markfoster.org</A>
<A HREF="https://bahai.nu/">https://bahai.nu</A>
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From: RBCFMark@aol.com[SMTP:RBCFMark@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 1999 3:58 PM
To: FG@aol.com; TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Off-topic
Fred,
It is not off-topic. It was posted as a response to a question.
We have Muslims visiting the "For Non-Baha'is" folder. They
use the Qur'an.
And this message deals with a qur'anic search engine.
Mark A. Foster
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From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 1999 9:21 PM
To: HostMgr@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: False TOSs allegations by Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Thanks, Lauren, I appreciate your extra effort. It's
been frustrating for months receiving back only
autoresponder messages.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
In a message dated 2/21/1999 3:46:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, Host
Mgr
writes:
> Subj: Re: False TOSs allegations by Bahai Forum Leader Mark
Foster
> Date: 2/21/1999 3:46:06 PM Eastern Standard Time
> From: <A HREF="mailto:Host Mgr">Host
Mgr</A>
> To: <A
HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
>
> Hi, Frederick --
>
> Unfortunately, your first point of contact would be Mark as the
Forum
Leader.
>
>
> Let me see if I can find out if there's anyone above him that
might be able
> to assist you.
>
> Thanks,
> Lauren
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From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 1999 9:20 AM
To: TOSBoards1@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: (no subject)
The Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster is exploiting the
TOS rules as a form of censorship and in particular in
using them to have my account permanently suspended.
On Saturday I uploaded a number of files to the Bahai
Libraries which he has now stated he has found ways
of suppressing and alleging TOSs against. Please
read his messages below as further evidence of his
pattern to citing people with TOSs in order to control
the information available to people on AOL.
Incidentally, the messages he falsely accuses me of
"spamming" were in separate folders, Bahai Forums/
message boards/For Non-Bahais and Bahai Forums/
Message Boards/Announcements. The messages are
different in content and definitely not spam. By making
such bogus charges Mark Foster has found that usually
AOL TOSs can be used to drive people out of the Forums
for ideological reasons.
I ask you to please, as the very least, cite him with a TOS
for this harassment. I believe he should actually be removed
as Forum Leader because he will never be a fair and impartial
person in his conduct towards people who do not share his
fundamentalist Bahai views. Let me add I myself am a Bahai.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: files
Date: 2/20/1999 11:51:17 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:RBCF Mark">RBCF Mark</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
Fred,
Since there are so many of them, I am going wait until our new
librarian comes
on board (which should be shortly). She will be able to look at your
uploads,
check them for TOS, etc.
I will send her a note to that effect.
Mark A. Foster
THE MESSAGE BELOW WAS POSTED IN A FOLDER
TITLED "Announcements":
Subj: to TOS
Date: 2/20/1999 2:34:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:RBCF Mark">RBCF Mark</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
Fred,
I have TOSed the below message (and the other one, which I am sending
to you
separately) for spamming.
After checking into it, I have determined that your files which
include
transcripts of conversations on newsgroups, listservs, etc. are not
permitted
according to AOL TOS regulations. I have also deleted your other library
files
which include the same.
Sorry for any inconvenience.
Subject: 15+ megabytes of files uploaded to Libraries
Date: 02/20/1999 12:35 Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:FG">FG</A>
Message-id: <19990220133543.17520.00000155@ng139.aol.com>
I've uploaded more than 15 megabytes of files to the AOL
Libraries today. They range from the earliest discussions
on soc.religion.bahai about talk.religion.bahai during late
1996 to as recently as October 1998.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
MY MESSAGE WAS POSTED IN A FOLDER TITLED
FOR NON-BAHAIS:
Subj: the other one sent to TOS for spamming
Date: 2/20/1999 2:37:05 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:RBCF Mark">RBCF Mark</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
Here is the other one,
Mark A. Foster,
Baha'i Faith Forum Manager
Subject: For Non-Bahais
Date: 02/20/1999 12:42 Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:FG">FG</A>
Message-id: <19990220134259.17520.00000160@ng139.aol.com>
Non-Bahais may like to know that I've uploaded
more than 15 megabytes of files today to the AOL
Libraries documenting the discussion for talk.religion.bahai
from late 1996 through late 1998.
They are also available on my website under the
talk.religion.bahai Archive.
I would like to invite the comments of the non-Bahais
present on these files and related issues.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 1999 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
On Saturday I had uploaded 15+ megabytes of my talk.religion.bahai
archive to AOL. This is the response of the Bahai Forum Leader.
Sent to TOSBoards1@aol.com
The Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster is exploiting the
TOS rules as a form of censorship and in particular in
using them to have my account permanently suspended.
On Saturday I uploaded a number of files to the Bahai
Libraries which he has now stated he has found ways
of suppressing and alleging TOSs against. Please
read his messages below as further evidence of his
pattern to citing people with TOSs in order to control
the information available to people on AOL.
Incidentally, the messages he falsely accuses me of
"spamming" were in separate folders, Bahai Forums/
message boards/For Non-Bahais and Bahai Forums/
Message Boards/Announcements. The messages are
different in content and definitely not spam. By making
such bogus charges Mark Foster has found that usually
AOL TOSs can be used to drive people out of the Forums
for ideological reasons.
I ask you to please, as the very least, cite him with a TOS
for this harassment. I believe he should actually be removed
as Forum Leader because he will never be a fair and impartial
person in his conduct towards people who do not share his
fundamentalist Bahai views. Let me add I myself am a Bahai.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: files
Date: 2/20/1999 11:51:17 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:RBCF Mark">RBCF Mark</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
Fred,
Since there are so many of them, I am going wait until our new
librarian
comes
on board (which should be shortly). She will be able to look at your
uploads,
check them for TOS, etc.
I will send her a note to that effect.
Mark A. Foster
THE MESSAGE BELOW WAS POSTED IN A FOLDER
TITLED "Announcements":
Subj: to TOS
Date: 2/20/1999 2:34:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:RBCF Mark">RBCF Mark</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
Fred,
I have TOSed the below message (and the other one, which I am sending
to you
separately) for spamming.
After checking into it, I have determined that your files which
include
transcripts of conversations on newsgroups, listservs, etc. are not
permitted
according to AOL TOS regulations. I have also deleted your other library
files
which include the same.
Sorry for any inconvenience.
Subject: 15+ megabytes of files uploaded to Libraries
Date: 02/20/1999 12:35 Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:FG">FG</A>
Message-id: <19990220133543.17520.00000155@ng139.aol.com>
I've uploaded more than 15 megabytes of files to the AOL
Libraries today. They range from the earliest discussions
on soc.religion.bahai about talk.religion.bahai during late
1996 to as recently as October 1998.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
MY MESSAGE WAS POSTED IN A FOLDER TITLED
FOR NON-BAHAIS:
Subj: the other one sent to TOS for spamming
Date: 2/20/1999 2:37:05 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:RBCF Mark">RBCF Mark</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
Here is the other one,
Mark A. Foster,
Baha'i Faith Forum Manager
Subject: For Non-Bahais
Date: 02/20/1999 12:42 Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:FG">FG</A>
Message-id: <19990220134259.17520.00000160@ng139.aol.com>
Non-Bahais may like to know that I've uploaded
more than 15 megabytes of files today to the AOL
Libraries documenting the discussion for talk.religion.bahai
from late 1996 through late 1998.
They are also available on my website under the
talk.religion.bahai Archive.
I would like to invite the comments of the non-Bahais
present on these files and related issues.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 1999 9:40 AM
To: FG
Subject: TOS rules
Subj: Re: Off-topic
Date: 2/20/1999 2:47:07 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: TOSGen1
To: FG
Dear Member,
The Community Action Team has established the following methods of
reporting
violations in order to maintain consistency and accuracy in reports.
Please
reference the following guidelines when reporting Terms of Service
violations.
CHAT VIOLATIONS
To ensure consistency in the reporting and investigation of chat
violations,
they must be reported in one of the following ways:
1) Click the "Notify AOL" button on the chat room screen.
2) Go to keyword Notify AOL, then click "Chat".
3) Go to keyword NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH, click the "Notify AOL"
button at the
bottom, then click "Chat".
4) Go to keyword TOS, click "Notify AOL", then click
"Chat".
All of these methods will bring a "Notify AOL" report form
onto your screen.
Please make sure that the form is filled out in its entirety before
sending.
You can ignore chat from another member in a chat room by double
clicking on
the screen name in the room list, then clicking "Ignore".
INSTANT MESSAGE VIOLATIONS
If you see a "Notify AOL" button at the bottom of the
Instant Message
window, click on that button. Follow the directions for filling out
the
pop-up form that appears on your screen, then click on "Send
Report."
If there is not a "Notify AOL" button at the bottom of the
Instant Message
screen, please use the options below:
1) Go to keyword Notify AOL, click on "Instant Message Notes™,"
then click
on the blue hyperlink to report an offensive statement.
2) Go to keyword NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH, click the "Notify AOL"
button at the
bottom, then click on "Instant Message Notes™."
3) Go to keyword TOS, click on "Notify AOL," then click on
"Instant Message
Notes™."
To block Instant Messages from specific members, please go to keyword
BUDDY,
click on "Privacy Preferences," and customize your IM needs
using the
options available.
EMAIL VIOLATIONS
Email that violates the Terms of Service MUST be forwarded in order to
confirm accuracy of the mail. Simply click the "forward"
icon and forward
the mail to the appropriate screen name:
1) Mail from AOL members (without an attached file) goes to TOSEmail1.
Include any relevant details with the forwarded mail.
2) "Spam" or "junk" mail from the Internet
should be forwarded to the
screen name TOSSpam.
3) Email with attachments should be forwarded to the screen name
TOSFiles.
If you wish to block email from a particular member, you can do so by
signing on with the master screen name, then going to keyword MAIL
CONTROLS.
OTHER VIOLATIONS
To report a violation on a messsage board, web page, or an
inappropriate
screen name, please go to keyword NOTIFY AOL, then click the appropriate
icon.
To report an inappropriate profile, simply click on the "Notify
AOL" button
on the bottom of the profile.
Newsgroup violations can be reported to the screen name
"TOSUsenet."
Please take the time to explore these areas and familiarize yourself
with
them. They can be invaluable tools in your experience online. I hope this
information helps you.
Please note, this screen name cannot accept replies. Therefore, if you
have
any comments or questions please go to Keyword: TOS Questions.
Regards,
Jason
Community Action Team
America Online, Inc.
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 1999 9:40 AM
To: FG
Subject: TOS rules
Subj: Re: Off-topic
Date: 2/20/1999 2:47:07 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: TOSGen1
To: FG
Dear Member,
The Community Action Team has established the following methods of
reporting
violations in order to maintain consistency and accuracy in reports.
Please
reference the following guidelines when reporting Terms of Service
violations.
CHAT VIOLATIONS
To ensure consistency in the reporting and investigation of chat
violations,
they must be reported in one of the following ways:
1) Click the "Notify AOL" button on the chat room screen.
2) Go to keyword Notify AOL, then click "Chat".
3) Go to keyword NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH, click the "Notify AOL"
button at the
bottom, then click "Chat".
4) Go to keyword TOS, click "Notify AOL", then click
"Chat".
All of these methods will bring a "Notify AOL" report form
onto your screen.
Please make sure that the form is filled out in its entirety before
sending.
You can ignore chat from another member in a chat room by double
clicking on
the screen name in the room list, then clicking "Ignore".
INSTANT MESSAGE VIOLATIONS
If you see a "Notify AOL" button at the bottom of the
Instant Message
window, click on that button. Follow the directions for filling out
the
pop-up form that appears on your screen, then click on "Send
Report."
If there is not a "Notify AOL" button at the bottom of the
Instant Message
screen, please use the options below:
1) Go to keyword Notify AOL, click on "Instant Message Notes™,"
then click
on the blue hyperlink to report an offensive statement.
2) Go to keyword NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH, click the "Notify AOL"
button at the
bottom, then click on "Instant Message Notes™."
3) Go to keyword TOS, click on "Notify AOL," then click on
"Instant Message
Notes™."
To block Instant Messages from specific members, please go to keyword
BUDDY,
click on "Privacy Preferences," and customize your IM needs
using the
options available.
EMAIL VIOLATIONS
Email that violates the Terms of Service MUST be forwarded in order to
confirm accuracy of the mail. Simply click the "forward"
icon and forward
the mail to the appropriate screen name:
1) Mail from AOL members (without an attached file) goes to TOSEmail1.
Include any relevant details with the forwarded mail.
2) "Spam" or "junk" mail from the Internet
should be forwarded to the
screen name TOSSpam.
3) Email with attachments should be forwarded to the screen name
TOSFiles.
If you wish to block email from a particular member, you can do so by
signing on with the master screen name, then going to keyword MAIL
CONTROLS.
OTHER VIOLATIONS
To report a violation on a messsage board, web page, or an
inappropriate
screen name, please go to keyword NOTIFY AOL, then click the appropriate
icon.
To report an inappropriate profile, simply click on the "Notify
AOL" button
on the bottom of the profile.
Newsgroup violations can be reported to the screen name
"TOSUsenet."
Please take the time to explore these areas and familiarize yourself
with
them. They can be invaluable tools in your experience online. I hope this
information helps you.
Please note, this screen name cannot accept replies. Therefore, if you
have
any comments or questions please go to Keyword: TOS Questions.
Regards,
Jason
Community Action Team
America Online, Inc.
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 1999 10:14 AM
To: FG
Subject: Folder Suggestion - Bahai Censorship
Foster is making a concerted effort to kick me
and others off AOL through alleging false TOSs
at every turn. I suggest all those who care about
freedom of speech start fighting back by hitting
all of the fundamentalists with TOSs whenever
possible, including Foster whom I've sent one in
on. Both sides can play the game if that's what it
takes....
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subject: Folder Suggestion - Bahai Censorship
Date: 2/21/1999 8:44 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990221084459.12611.00001034@ng150.aol.com>
Since this folder, Question to Forum Leader, is
where we ask questions of our Forum Leader,
I would like to ask for a folder to be created titled
Bahai Censorship so that this important topic
and how it relates to the Bahai Faith today may
be discussed by AOL members.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 1999 10:14 AM
To: FG
Subject: Folder Suggestion - Bahai Censorship
Foster is making a concerted effort to kick me
and others off AOL through alleging false TOSs
at every turn. I suggest all those who care about
freedom of speech start fighting back by hitting
all of the fundamentalists with TOSs whenever
possible, including Foster whom I've sent one in
on. Both sides can play the game if that's what it
takes....
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subject: Folder Suggestion - Bahai Censorship
Date: 2/21/1999 8:44 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990221084459.12611.00001034@ng150.aol.com>
Since this folder, Question to Forum Leader, is
where we ask questions of our Forum Leader,
I would like to ask for a folder to be created titled
Bahai Censorship so that this important topic
and how it relates to the Bahai Faith today may
be discussed by AOL members.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 1999 9:19 PM
To: FG
Subject: Host Mgr Re: False TOSs allegations by Bahai Forum Leader Mark
Foster
Subj: Re: False TOSs allegations by Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Date: 2/21/1999 3:46:06 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Host Mgr
To: FG
Hi, Frederick --
Unfortunately, your first point of contact would be Mark as the Forum
Leader.
Let me see if I can find out if there's anyone above him that might be
able
to assist you.
Thanks,
Lauren
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 1999 9:19 PM
To: FG
Subject: Host Mgr Re: False TOSs allegations by Bahai Forum Leader Mark
Foster
Subj: Re: False TOSs allegations by Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Date: 2/21/1999 3:46:06 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Host Mgr
To: FG
Hi, Frederick --
Unfortunately, your first point of contact would be Mark as the Forum
Leader.
Let me see if I can find out if there's anyone above him that might be
able
to assist you.
Thanks,
Lauren
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 1999 9:25 PM
To: Barthaman
Subject: Fw: Folder Suggestion - Bahai Censorship
-----Original Message-----
From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
To: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 9:14 AM
Subject: Folder Suggestion - Bahai Censorship
>Foster is making a concerted effort to kick me
>and others off AOL through alleging false TOSs
>at every turn. I suggest all those who care about
>freedom of speech start fighting back by hitting
>all of the fundamentalists with TOSs whenever
>possible, including Foster whom I've sent one in
>on. Both sides can play the game if that's what it
>takes....
>
>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>
>
>
>Subject: Folder Suggestion - Bahai Censorship
>Date: 2/21/1999 8:44 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: FG
>Message-id: <19990221084459.12611.00001034@ng150.aol.com>
>
>Since this folder, Question to Forum Leader, is
>where we ask questions of our Forum Leader,
>I would like to ask for a folder to be created titled
>Bahai Censorship so that this important topic
>and how it relates to the Bahai Faith today may
>be discussed by AOL members.
>
>
>
>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 1999 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: AOL censorship via TOS allegations
I'm not sure I posted this message earlier in which Mark Foster
admits TOSing so many people he was flagging a bit.... He
seems to have recovered of late....
<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>>Subject: Please
Read!!!
>Date: 2/15/1999 5:26 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: RBCF Mark
>Message-id: <19990215172653.02876.00000868@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>
>Folks,
>
>I am honestly getting tired of sending so many posts along to CAT
(Community
>Action Team -- the folks who handle TOS reports). However, I am
required to
>do so, as a part of my volunteer position in this forum. But it is
getting
>old rather quickly.
>
>May I make a personal plea that we please treat each other with the
human
>dignity that each of us deserve?
What about Bahais, Mark? Are they going to respect others' opinions?
After
over 22 years in the Bahai Faith, I would find it to be a first....
It doesn't matter whether we agree with
>someone. We can still address each person with basic human kindness.
If we
>would begin to do so, the majority of TOS reports (by myself and by
others)
>would end.
Sounds like a threat, none too veiled.... Unfortunately, I and others
believe you are using a decidedly double standard in choosing who to
report
on to the TOSGeneral.... I don't believe there's any doubt that that is
the
case.
>
>Also, we need to bear in mind that proselytizing (meaning, trying to
convert
>someone to one's own religion) or attacking or belittling the religion
of
>that particular forum is a TOS violation, plain and simple.
Translation:
>Members of another religions trying to convert Baha'is to their
religion
are
>in violation of TOS regulations. And members of other religions
attacking
or
>belittling the Baha'i Faith are in violation of TOS
>regulations.
What about Bahais harassing and attacking Bahais and non-Bahais on and
off
of AOL? I believe you're using a double standard here once again.
>
>People, I didn't make those rules up. They come from one of two
places:
>Either from CAT itself or from the policy makers of the spirituality
forums
>(of which the Baha'i Forum is a part).
You and other Bahais are interpreting and using them to further your
own
interpretations of what the Bahai Faith is or should be. AOL personnel are
extremely naive and uninformed in this regard but some are not....
>
>Sincerely, Mark A. Foster
>Bahá'í Faith Forum Manager
>https://www.markfoster.net
>https://markfoster.org
>https://bahai.nu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
</HTML>
<HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10><BR>
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:<BR>
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,<BR>
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards<BR>
</HTML>
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From: MrMahdi@aol.com[SMTP:MrMahdi@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 4:34 PM
To: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Folder Suggestion - Bahai Censorship
Subj: Sent to TOS
Date: 2/22/99 1:25:27 PM Central Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: Mr Mahdi
This message is proselytizing on the Baha'i Faith Forum. The religion
forums
exist for the support of a particular religion - not for debate with those
of
other religions. That is AOL and area policy.
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Faith Forum Manager
Subject: Re: Muhammad's Farewell Sermon
Date: 2/22/99 13:11 Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:Mr Mahdi">Mr Mahdi</A>
Message-id: <19990222141128.09505.00001042@ng143.aol.com>
> There is nowhere in the writings of Muhammad where He gave this
farewell
>address. This is a total fabrication by Islamic groups, and
there is not one
>iota of these writings that is either correct or true.
Just a reminder, if you still insist that this sermon is not found in
"Muhammad's writing," you can ask Susan to verify that it does
exist in
"Muhammad's writings" and even in biographies of Muhammad (saw)
written by
Muslims and non-Muslims. This is one of the most famous speeches of
Muhammad
(saw), how on earth can you say Islamic groups fabricated and this sermon
cant
be found in Islamic writings? You havent read hadith or Seera to
even say
what
is in Islam or not, so dont speak to me without knowledge. It seems
when a
hadith agrees with your religion, you accept it, but when it disagrees
with
your religion, you guys say it a fake hadith. This hadith is not
only rated
as "saheeh," meaning authentic, but it is rated
"mutawatir" or a hadith
narrated by a large number of people in every generation that it is
literal
impossible that they can narrate or agree in text on a false hadith.
If you
are a "muhaddith," or a scholar of hadith, you will know its
chain of
reporters and text is absolutely authentic.
>Mahdi, it is really sad to see that you and your bretheren have to
resort to
>falsehoods to support a religion whose time has come and gone.
You can
>continue to sink with
>it.
Bahais claim that they have nothing but respect for Islam, that they
dont
attack Islam. The above statement is a pure attack on Islam, because
Allah
said in 5:3 that He perfected, completed, and chosen for us Islam.
Allah said
in 3:85 that if you choose a religion other than al-Islam then that
religion
will never be accepted and in the hereafter you will be a loser. But
the
statement you made is in clear contradiction to Allah's
statements, making it a clear attack on Islam. Islam hasnt come and
gone, and
Allah like He promised in 5:3 made Islam complete, perfect, and the Chosen
system of life for all of mankind till that very last human breathes his
last
breath.
Mahdi
----------
From: MrMahdi@aol.com[SMTP:MrMahdi@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 6:39 PM
To: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Folder Suggestion - Bahai Censorship
Unforturnately I have complained to Host Manager and TOSboards but
they havent
did anything. They have said either we don't see it as our problem
or they
have referred me to another and told me I must talk to the Forum
Leader. Mark
is going out of control, and I hope we with our efforts can help make this
fundamentalist tyrant and internet bully lose his position.
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 6:34 PM
To: MrMahdi@aol.com
Subject: Re: Folder Suggestion - Bahai Censorship
You see, Foster's just out to kick you, me, and
anyone else off the Bahai Forums that he and
other fundamentalist Bahais disagree with.
Complain to hostmgr@aol.com and TOSBoards1@aol.com
and encourage others to complain too.
Only if they hear from a lot of us will it begin to make a
difference. It is possible to get Foster replaced....
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: MrMahdi@aol.com <MrMahdi@aol.com>
To: FG@hotmail.com <FG@hotmail.com>
Date: Monday, February 22, 1999 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: Folder Suggestion - Bahai Censorship
>Subj: Sent to TOS
>Date: 2/22/99 1:25:27 PM Central Standard Time
>From: RBCF Mark
>To: Mr Mahdi
>
>This message is proselytizing on the Baha'i Faith Forum. The religion
forums
>exist for the support of a particular religion - not for debate with
those
of
>other religions. That is AOL and area policy.
>
>Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Faith Forum Manager
>
>Subject: Re: Muhammad's Farewell Sermon
>Date: 2/22/99 13:11 Central Standard Time
>From: <A HREF="aol://3548:Mr Mahdi">Mr Mahdi</A>
>Message-id: <19990222141128.09505.00001042@ng143.aol.com>
>
>> There is nowhere in the writings of Muhammad where He gave this
farewell
>>address. This is a total fabrication by Islamic groups, and
there is not
one
>>iota of these writings that is either correct or true.
>
>Just a reminder, if you still insist that this sermon is not found in
>"Muhammad's writing," you can ask Susan to verify that it
does exist in
>"Muhammad's writings" and even in biographies of Muhammad
(saw) written by
>Muslims and non-Muslims. This is one of the most famous speeches
of
Muhammad
>(saw), how on earth can you say Islamic groups fabricated and this
sermon
cant
>be found in Islamic writings? You havent read hadith or Seera to
even say
>what
>is in Islam or not, so dont speak to me without knowledge. It
seems when a
>hadith agrees with your religion, you accept it, but when it disagrees
with
>your religion, you guys say it a fake hadith. This hadith is not
only
rated
>as "saheeh," meaning authentic, but it is rated
"mutawatir" or a hadith
>narrated by a large number of people in every generation that it is
literal
>impossible that they can narrate or agree in text on a false
hadith. If
you
>are a "muhaddith," or a scholar of hadith, you will know its
chain of
>reporters and text is absolutely authentic.
>
>>Mahdi, it is really sad to see that you and your bretheren have to
resort
to
>>falsehoods to support a religion whose time has come and
gone. You can
>>continue to sink with
>>it.
>
>Bahais claim that they have nothing but respect for Islam, that they
dont
>attack Islam. The above statement is a pure attack on Islam,
because Allah
>said in 5:3 that He perfected, completed, and chosen for us
Islam. Allah
said
>in 3:85 that if you choose a religion other than al-Islam then that
religion
>will never be accepted and in the hereafter you will be a loser.
But the
>statement you made is in clear contradiction to Allah's
>statements, making it a clear attack on Islam. Islam hasnt come
and gone,
and
>Allah like He promised in 5:3 made Islam complete, perfect, and the
Chosen
>system of life for all of mankind till that very last human breathes
his
last
>breath.
>Mahdi
----------
From: MrMahdi@aol.com[SMTP:MrMahdi@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 10:57 PM
To: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Mark Foster's double standard
To see how the fundamentalist extremist Mark Foster treats people whom
he like
and agree with his views, look at the following post. The post I
responded to
contained remarks by a person whom Mark likes that if I were to say it
would
get be a TOS referral and my post yanked by Mark.
Subject: Re: Muhammad's Sermon Aftermath
Date: 2/23/99 6:53 PM Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:RBCF Mark">RBCF Mark</A>
Message-id: <19990223195351.21527.00000572@ng-cg1.aol.com>
>Why when the person who
>said Islam was gone and
>past its time and accused
>me of trying of using a
>fabricated document didnt
>get his post yanked or
>TOSsed?
Mahdi,
Since this is a Baha'i board, and he was expressing his understanding
of the
Baha'i Teachings, his posting did not seem out of line to me.
<A HREF="https://hometown.aol.com/rbcfmark/">Mark A.
Foster, Ph.D.</A>
Bahá'í Faith Forum Manager
<A
HREF="https://www.markfoster.net/">https://www.markfoster.net</A>
<A
HREF="https://markfoster.org/">https://markfoster.org</A>
<A HREF="https://bahai.nu/">https://bahai.nu</A>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 7:24 AM
To: MrMahdi@aol.com
Subject: Re: Folder Suggestion - Bahai Censorship
Just be persistent in asking the hostmgr
and TOSBoards1 to provide you with the name
and email address of the person above Foster
who can make a decision. I haven't gotten it yet
but someone has told me he's working on finding
it out.
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: MrMahdi@aol.com <MrMahdi@aol.com>
To: FG@hotmail.com <FG@hotmail.com>
Date: Monday, February 22, 1999 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: Folder Suggestion - Bahai Censorship
>Unforturnately I have complained to Host Manager and TOSboards but
they
havent
>did anything. They have said either we don't see it as our
problem or they
>have referred me to another and told me I must talk to the Forum
Leader.
Mark
>is going out of control, and I hope we with our efforts can help make
this
>fundamentalist tyrant and internet bully lose his position.
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990222150930.07555.00002176@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>>My intent was to emphasize the
>>absurdity of Mark Foster's axing
>>people left and right.
>
>I am axing people left and right? Fred, I am merely doing my job. You
are
the
>only person I have *regularly* been "axing." (Though I do
throw my axe on
some
>others from time to time.)
>If you would familiarize yourself with AOL TOS (terms of service)
regulations
>and those of the Spirituality Forums, I would axe you no longer.
>
>Mark A. Foster
Liar. You've been TOSing for similarly specious reasons
many people. They've been emailing me about it.
You're on the way out fella.... Just like Vahid and Edmund.
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/technique.htm
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 9:50 AM
To: Barthaman; Shaksway@aol.com; RobertNik#aol.com; RayHanania@aol.com;
PParvin#aol.com; Member1700#aol.com; Macho786#aol.com; Ruletherod; Nadle;
Mr Mahdi; ccrawfeild@aol.com; AAli929596#aol.com; CRust60001#aol.com;
HANI72#aol.com; TOSBoards1@aol.com
Subject: Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
I should add that Mark Foster has established
a clear pattern of abusing his position as Forum
Leader by targetting me and forwarding as TOSs
nearly every post on any subject in whatever folder I post
to for at least three or four weeks now.
This is obviously a calculated campaign to get me kicked
off AOL and constitutes yet another facet of the overall
general opposition of Bahais to freedom of speech and
conscience. By narrowly and legalistically interpreting AOL's
TOS rules and then applying them disproportinately to smear me
with AOL officials, Mark Foster and other Bahai fundamentalists
imagine they're going to be able to silence me along the
traditional lines of the Baha'i Technique....
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/technique.htm
I put my trust in the fairness and impartiality of the AOL
TOSBoards and personnel to perceive what is truly taking
place in the Bahai "Forums."
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990222150930.07555.00002176@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>>>My intent was to emphasize the
>>>absurdity of Mark Foster's axing
>>>people left and right.
>>
>>I am axing people left and right? Fred, I am merely doing my job.
You are
>the
>>only person I have *regularly* been "axing." (Though I
do throw my axe on
>some
>>others from time to time.)
>>If you would familiarize yourself with AOL TOS (terms of service)
>regulations
>>and those of the Spirituality Forums, I would axe you no longer.
>>
>>Mark A. Foster
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
I should add that Mark Foster has established
a clear pattern of abusing his position as Forum
Leader by targetting me and forwarding as TOSs
nearly every post on any subject in whatever folder I post
to for at least three or four weeks now.
This is obviously a calculated campaign to get me kicked
off AOL and constitutes yet another facet of the overall
general opposition of Bahais to freedom of speech and
conscience. By narrowly and legalistically interpreting AOL's
TOS rules and then applying them disproportinately to smear me
with AOL officials, Mark Foster and other Bahai fundamentalists
imagine they're going to be able to silence me along the
traditional lines of the Baha'i Technique....
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/technique.htm
I put my trust in the fairness and impartiality of the AOL
TOSBoards and personnel to perceive what is truly taking
place in the Bahai "Forums."
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990222150930.07555.00002176@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>>>My intent was to emphasize the
>>>absurdity of Mark Foster's axing
>>>people left and right.
>>
>>I am axing people left and right? Fred, I am merely doing my job.
You are
>the
>>only person I have *regularly* been "axing." (Though I
do throw my axe on
>some
>>others from time to time.)
>>If you would familiarize yourself with AOL TOS (terms of service)
>regulations
>>and those of the Spirituality Forums, I would axe you no longer.
>>
>>Mark A. Foster
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 9:55 AM
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Subject: Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
TWO more alleged TOSs from Mark Foster which
clearly show he has a vendetta against me.... In both
messages I'm asking others to discuss the same
subject in another folder, Questions to Forum Leader,
that they themselves are discussing. My message
in either one is not "spam."
Subj: Sent to TOS
Date: 2/23/1999 8:38:18 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
This message was sent to TOS for spamming (repeated requests made at
the
same time for a folder devoted to censorship). The other TOS reports to
follow will be the other messages I am referring to.
Subject: Re: Rob: Christine - TOS problems
Date: 02/23/1999 07:17 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990223081713.05493.00001750@ng105.aol.com>
I believe this message shows once again the need for a folder
dedicated to
the topic of "Bahai Censorship."
>Subject: Re: Rob: Christine - TOS problems
>Date: 2/23/1999 5:31 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Hawkeye919
>Message-id: <19990223053108.01143.00001898@ng-cb1.aol.com>
>
><<Sincere free speech
>is only respected as long as it agrees with
>authoritative statements.>>
>
>
> In fact, free speech is respected so long as it doesn't violate the
spirit
>of the Covenant which Bahá'u'lláh gave us.
>
><<You want to have it both ways, Rob: Join the Baha'i religion
through the
>"independent investigation of truth"
>(when the seeker still doesn't know enough to ask the real questions)
but
>abandon this principle once you've become a member -- it gets less
confusing
>this way. And why confuse people with the facts?>>
>
>
> There are no "both ways." The facts are:
Bahá'ís must never abandon
>independent investigation of truth. But there is a vast
difference between
>investigation, of unfettered inquiry on the one hand, and holding onto
one's
>own views to the exclusion of all else, on the other. This
latter attitude
>is a violation of the very spirit of Bahá'í consultation, which
is: Once
you
>have presented your idea to the group/Assembly, etc., it is no longer
yours,
>and one must submit to the will of the majority, regardless of whether
or
not
>one agrees with the decision, for the sake of unity; if the decision
is
>wrong, the error will soon prove apparent, and the erroneous decision
can
be
>rectified. To do otherwise undermines the spirit of unity which
the Faith
>inculcates, and which is its fundamental purpose; and to carry one's
>opposition to the point of attacking the very institutions which
Bahá'u'lláh
>and
>'Abdu'l-Bahá prescribed in the Sacred Texts is nothing short of
breaking
the
>Covenant of Bahá'u'lláh; breaking the Covenant strikes at the very
heart of
>God's plan; it mangles the instrument which protects His Cause form
the
>eviscerating forces disunity.
> One other point: At the heart of all this contention and
conflict is the
>issue of personal liberty and freedom of expression. As
important as these
>rights are, they, like any right, are not limitless; they must be
tempered
>with wisdom and restraint; and along with any right go
responsibilities.
In
>any system, there must be rules of conduct, without which every
individual
>would insist on his/her own way, and, thus cause the system to
degenerate
>into chaos. Consider what Bahá'u'lláh has written re: the
subject of
>liberty:
>
> "Consider the pettiness of men's minds. They ask for that
which injureth
>them, and cast away the thing that profiteth them. They are,
indeed, of
>those that are far astray. Such men are in the depths of
ignorance.
> "Liberty must, in the end, lead to sedition, whose flames none
can quench.
>... Know ye that the embodiment of liberty and its symbol is the
animal.
>That which beseemeth man is submission unto such restraints as will
protect
>him from his own ignorance, and guard him against the harm of the
>mischiefmaker. Liberty causeth man to overstep the bounds of
propriety,
and
>to infringe on the dignity of his station. It debaseth him to
the level of
>extreme
>depravity and wickedness.
> ... We approve of liberty in certain circumstances, and refuse to
sanction
>it in others. We, verily, are the All-Knowing.
> "Say: True liberty consisteth in man's submission unto My
commandments,
>little as ye know it. Were men to observe that which We have
sent Down
unto
>them from the Heaven of Revelation, they would, of a certainty, attain
unto
>perfect liberty. ... Say: The liberty that profteth you is to be
found
>nowhere except in complete servitude unto God, the Eternal
Truth. Whoso
hath
>tasted of its sweetness will refuse to barter it for all the dominion
of
>earth and heaven." [Gleanings from the Writings of
Bahá'u'lláh, pp. 335-36
>(#159)]
>
> And, regarding freedom of speech, consider some of Bahá'u'lláh's
words re:
>the true seeker:
>
> "That seeker must, at all times, put his trust in God, must
renounce the
>peoples of the earth, must detach himself from the world of dust, and
cleave
>unto Him Who is the Lord of Lords. He must never seek to exalt
himself
above
>any one, must wash away from the tablet of his heart every trace of
pride
and
>vain-glory, must cling unto patience and resignation, observe silence
and
>refrain from idle talk. For the tongue is a smoldering fire, and
excess
>of speech a deadly poison. Material fire consumeth the body,
whereas the
>fire of the tongue devoureth both heart and soul. The force of
the former
>lasteth but for a time, whilst the effects of the latter endureth a
century."
>[Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, pp. 264-65 (#125)]
>
> When we allow ego to be our guide, we do so at our peril. We
Bahá'ís are
>not perfect, whether we serve on the institutions of our Faith or not;
many
>mistakes have been made by those who sit in the council chambers, and
many
>more will be made in the future. The individuals who serve on
the
Assemblies
>are fallible, but the Assemblies, as God-given institutions, are
infallible
>as long as they are conducted in that rarified atmosphere of
detachment
>and service to all humanity for the sake of God and His Chosen
Ones. It is
>an ideal for which we must diligently strive; one which, I firmly
believe,
is
>attainable.
> May we all be delivered from the shackles of our own short comings,
and
may
>each of us be enabled to rise to the wonderous potential with which
our
>loving Father has endowed us.
>
>Peace and love, Rob.
>
>
>
>
>
>
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: Sent to TOS
Date: 2/23/1999 8:40:16 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Here is another one:
Subject: Re: Rob: Christine - TOS problems
Date: 02/23/1999 07:17 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990223081713.05493.00001750@ng105.aol.com>
I believe this message shows once again the need for a folder
dedicated to
the topic of "Bahai Censorship."
>Subject: Re: Rob: Christine - TOS problems
>Date: 2/23/1999 5:31 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Hawkeye919
>Message-id: <19990223053108.01143.00001898@ng-cb1.aol.com>
>
><<Sincere free speech
>is only respected as long as it agrees with
>authoritative statements.>>
>
>
> In fact, free speech is respected so long as it doesn't violate the
spirit
>of the Covenant which Bahá'u'lláh gave us.
>
><<You want to have it both ways, Rob: Join the Baha'i religion
through the
>"independent investigation of truth"
>(when the seeker still doesn't know enough to ask the real questions)
but
>abandon this principle once you've become a member -- it gets less
confusing
>this way. And why confuse people with the facts?>>
>
>
> There are no "both ways." The facts are:
Bahá'ís must never abandon
>independent investigation of truth. But there is a vast
difference between
>investigation, of unfettered inquiry on the one hand, and holding onto
one's
>own views to the exclusion of all else, on the other. This
latter attitude
>is a violation of the very spirit of Bahá'í consultation, which
is: Once
you
>have presented your idea to the group/Assembly, etc., it is no longer
yours,
>and one must submit to the will of the majority, regardless of whether
or
not
>one agrees with the decision, for the sake of unity; if the decision
is
>wrong, the error will soon prove apparent, and the erroneous decision
can
be
>rectified. To do otherwise undermines the spirit of unity which
the Faith
>inculcates, and which is its fundamental purpose; and to carry one's
>opposition to the point of attacking the very institutions which
Bahá'u'lláh
>and
>'Abdu'l-Bahá prescribed in the Sacred Texts is nothing short of
breaking
the
>Covenant of Bahá'u'lláh; breaking the Covenant strikes at the very
heart of
>God's plan; it mangles the instrument which protects His Cause form
the
>eviscerating forces disunity.
> One other point: At the heart of all this contention and
conflict is the
>issue of personal liberty and freedom of expression. As
important as these
>rights are, they, like any right, are not limitless; they must be
tempered
>with wisdom and restraint; and along with any right go
responsibilities.
In
>any system, there must be rules of conduct, without which every
individual
>would insist on his/her own way, and, thus cause the system to
degenerate
>into chaos. Consider what Bahá'u'lláh has written re: the
subject of
>liberty:
>
> "Consider the pettiness of men's minds. They ask for that
which injureth
>them, and cast away the thing that profiteth them. They are,
indeed, of
>those that are far astray. Such men are in the depths of
ignorance.
> "Liberty must, in the end, lead to sedition, whose flames none
can quench.
>... Know ye that the embodiment of liberty and its symbol is the
animal.
>That which beseemeth man is submission unto such restraints as will
protect
>him from his own ignorance, and guard him against the harm of the
>mischiefmaker. Liberty causeth man to overstep the bounds of
propriety,
and
>to infringe on the dignity of his station. It debaseth him to
the level of
>extreme
>depravity and wickedness.
> ... We approve of liberty in certain circumstances, and refuse to
sanction
>it in others. We, verily, are the All-Knowing.
> "Say: True liberty consisteth in man's submission unto My
commandments,
>little as ye know it. Were men to observe that which We have
sent Down
unto
>them from the Heaven of Revelation, they would, of a certainty, attain
unto
>perfect liberty. ... Say: The liberty that profteth you is to be
found
>nowhere except in complete servitude unto God, the Eternal
Truth. Whoso
hath
>tasted of its sweetness will refuse to barter it for all the dominion
of
>earth and heaven." [Gleanings from the Writings of
Bahá'u'lláh, pp. 335-36
>(#159)]
>
> And, regarding freedom of speech, consider some of Bahá'u'lláh's
words re:
>the true seeker:
>
> "That seeker must, at all times, put his trust in God, must
renounce the
>peoples of the earth, must detach himself from the world of dust, and
cleave
>unto Him Who is the Lord of Lords. He must never seek to exalt
himself
above
>any one, must wash away from the tablet of his heart every trace of
pride
and
>vain-glory, must cling unto patience and resignation, observe silence
and
>refrain from idle talk. For the tongue is a smoldering fire, and
excess
>of speech a deadly poison. Material fire consumeth the body,
whereas the
>fire of the tongue devoureth both heart and soul. The force of
the former
>lasteth but for a time, whilst the effects of the latter endureth a
century."
>[Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, pp. 264-65 (#125)]
>
> When we allow ego to be our guide, we do so at our peril. We
Bahá'ís are
>not perfect, whether we serve on the institutions of our Faith or not;
many
>mistakes have been made by those who sit in the council chambers, and
many
>more will be made in the future. The individuals who serve on
the
Assemblies
>are fallible, but the Assemblies, as God-given institutions, are
infallible
>as long as they are conducted in that rarified atmosphere of
detachment
>and service to all humanity for the sake of God and His Chosen
Ones. It is
>an ideal for which we must diligently strive; one which, I firmly
believe,
is
>attainable.
> May we all be delivered from the shackles of our own short comings,
and
may
>each of us be enabled to rise to the wonderous potential with which
our
>loving Father has endowed us.
>
>Peace and love, Rob.
>
>
>
>
>
>
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
TWO more alleged TOSs from Mark Foster which
clearly show he has a vendetta against me.... In both
messages I'm asking others to discuss the same
subject in another folder, Questions to Forum Leader,
that they themselves are discussing. My message
in either one is not "spam."
Subj: Sent to TOS
Date: 2/23/1999 8:38:18 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
This message was sent to TOS for spamming (repeated requests made at
the
same time for a folder devoted to censorship). The other TOS reports to
follow will be the other messages I am referring to.
Subject: Re: Rob: Christine - TOS problems
Date: 02/23/1999 07:17 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990223081713.05493.00001750@ng105.aol.com>
I believe this message shows once again the need for a folder
dedicated to
the topic of "Bahai Censorship."
>Subject: Re: Rob: Christine - TOS problems
>Date: 2/23/1999 5:31 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Hawkeye919
>Message-id: <19990223053108.01143.00001898@ng-cb1.aol.com>
>
><<Sincere free speech
>is only respected as long as it agrees with
>authoritative statements.>>
>
>
> In fact, free speech is respected so long as it doesn't violate the
spirit
>of the Covenant which Bahá'u'lláh gave us.
>
><<You want to have it both ways, Rob: Join the Baha'i religion
through the
>"independent investigation of truth"
>(when the seeker still doesn't know enough to ask the real questions)
but
>abandon this principle once you've become a member -- it gets less
confusing
>this way. And why confuse people with the facts?>>
>
>
> There are no "both ways." The facts are:
Bahá'ís must never abandon
>independent investigation of truth. But there is a vast
difference between
>investigation, of unfettered inquiry on the one hand, and holding onto
one's
>own views to the exclusion of all else, on the other. This
latter attitude
>is a violation of the very spirit of Bahá'í consultation, which
is: Once
you
>have presented your idea to the group/Assembly, etc., it is no longer
yours,
>and one must submit to the will of the majority, regardless of whether
or
not
>one agrees with the decision, for the sake of unity; if the decision
is
>wrong, the error will soon prove apparent, and the erroneous decision
can
be
>rectified. To do otherwise undermines the spirit of unity which
the Faith
>inculcates, and which is its fundamental purpose; and to carry one's
>opposition to the point of attacking the very institutions which
Bahá'u'lláh
>and
>'Abdu'l-Bahá prescribed in the Sacred Texts is nothing short of
breaking
the
>Covenant of Bahá'u'lláh; breaking the Covenant strikes at the very
heart of
>God's plan; it mangles the instrument which protects His Cause form
the
>eviscerating forces disunity.
> One other point: At the heart of all this contention and
conflict is the
>issue of personal liberty and freedom of expression. As
important as these
>rights are, they, like any right, are not limitless; they must be
tempered
>with wisdom and restraint; and along with any right go
responsibilities.
In
>any system, there must be rules of conduct, without which every
individual
>would insist on his/her own way, and, thus cause the system to
degenerate
>into chaos. Consider what Bahá'u'lláh has written re: the
subject of
>liberty:
>
> "Consider the pettiness of men's minds. They ask for that
which injureth
>them, and cast away the thing that profiteth them. They are,
indeed, of
>those that are far astray. Such men are in the depths of
ignorance.
> "Liberty must, in the end, lead to sedition, whose flames none
can quench.
>... Know ye that the embodiment of liberty and its symbol is the
animal.
>That which beseemeth man is submission unto such restraints as will
protect
>him from his own ignorance, and guard him against the harm of the
>mischiefmaker. Liberty causeth man to overstep the bounds of
propriety,
and
>to infringe on the dignity of his station. It debaseth him to
the level of
>extreme
>depravity and wickedness.
> ... We approve of liberty in certain circumstances, and refuse to
sanction
>it in others. We, verily, are the All-Knowing.
> "Say: True liberty consisteth in man's submission unto My
commandments,
>little as ye know it. Were men to observe that which We have
sent Down
unto
>them from the Heaven of Revelation, they would, of a certainty, attain
unto
>perfect liberty. ... Say: The liberty that profteth you is to be
found
>nowhere except in complete servitude unto God, the Eternal
Truth. Whoso
hath
>tasted of its sweetness will refuse to barter it for all the dominion
of
>earth and heaven." [Gleanings from the Writings of
Bahá'u'lláh, pp. 335-36
>(#159)]
>
> And, regarding freedom of speech, consider some of Bahá'u'lláh's
words re:
>the true seeker:
>
> "That seeker must, at all times, put his trust in God, must
renounce the
>peoples of the earth, must detach himself from the world of dust, and
cleave
>unto Him Who is the Lord of Lords. He must never seek to exalt
himself
above
>any one, must wash away from the tablet of his heart every trace of
pride
and
>vain-glory, must cling unto patience and resignation, observe silence
and
>refrain from idle talk. For the tongue is a smoldering fire, and
excess
>of speech a deadly poison. Material fire consumeth the body,
whereas the
>fire of the tongue devoureth both heart and soul. The force of
the former
>lasteth but for a time, whilst the effects of the latter endureth a
century."
>[Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, pp. 264-65 (#125)]
>
> When we allow ego to be our guide, we do so at our peril. We
Bahá'ís are
>not perfect, whether we serve on the institutions of our Faith or not;
many
>mistakes have been made by those who sit in the council chambers, and
many
>more will be made in the future. The individuals who serve on
the
Assemblies
>are fallible, but the Assemblies, as God-given institutions, are
infallible
>as long as they are conducted in that rarified atmosphere of
detachment
>and service to all humanity for the sake of God and His Chosen
Ones. It is
>an ideal for which we must diligently strive; one which, I firmly
believe,
is
>attainable.
> May we all be delivered from the shackles of our own short comings,
and
may
>each of us be enabled to rise to the wonderous potential with which
our
>loving Father has endowed us.
>
>Peace and love, Rob.
>
>
>
>
>
>
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: Sent to TOS
Date: 2/23/1999 8:40:16 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Here is another one:
Subject: Re: Rob: Christine - TOS problems
Date: 02/23/1999 07:17 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990223081713.05493.00001750@ng105.aol.com>
I believe this message shows once again the need for a folder
dedicated to
the topic of "Bahai Censorship."
>Subject: Re: Rob: Christine - TOS problems
>Date: 2/23/1999 5:31 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Hawkeye919
>Message-id: <19990223053108.01143.00001898@ng-cb1.aol.com>
>
><<Sincere free speech
>is only respected as long as it agrees with
>authoritative statements.>>
>
>
> In fact, free speech is respected so long as it doesn't violate the
spirit
>of the Covenant which Bahá'u'lláh gave us.
>
><<You want to have it both ways, Rob: Join the Baha'i religion
through the
>"independent investigation of truth"
>(when the seeker still doesn't know enough to ask the real questions)
but
>abandon this principle once you've become a member -- it gets less
confusing
>this way. And why confuse people with the facts?>>
>
>
> There are no "both ways." The facts are:
Bahá'ís must never abandon
>independent investigation of truth. But there is a vast
difference between
>investigation, of unfettered inquiry on the one hand, and holding onto
one's
>own views to the exclusion of all else, on the other. This
latter attitude
>is a violation of the very spirit of Bahá'í consultation, which
is: Once
you
>have presented your idea to the group/Assembly, etc., it is no longer
yours,
>and one must submit to the will of the majority, regardless of whether
or
not
>one agrees with the decision, for the sake of unity; if the decision
is
>wrong, the error will soon prove apparent, and the erroneous decision
can
be
>rectified. To do otherwise undermines the spirit of unity which
the Faith
>inculcates, and which is its fundamental purpose; and to carry one's
>opposition to the point of attacking the very institutions which
Bahá'u'lláh
>and
>'Abdu'l-Bahá prescribed in the Sacred Texts is nothing short of
breaking
the
>Covenant of Bahá'u'lláh; breaking the Covenant strikes at the very
heart of
>God's plan; it mangles the instrument which protects His Cause form
the
>eviscerating forces disunity.
> One other point: At the heart of all this contention and
conflict is the
>issue of personal liberty and freedom of expression. As
important as these
>rights are, they, like any right, are not limitless; they must be
tempered
>with wisdom and restraint; and along with any right go
responsibilities.
In
>any system, there must be rules of conduct, without which every
individual
>would insist on his/her own way, and, thus cause the system to
degenerate
>into chaos. Consider what Bahá'u'lláh has written re: the
subject of
>liberty:
>
> "Consider the pettiness of men's minds. They ask for that
which injureth
>them, and cast away the thing that profiteth them. They are,
indeed, of
>those that are far astray. Such men are in the depths of
ignorance.
> "Liberty must, in the end, lead to sedition, whose flames none
can quench.
>... Know ye that the embodiment of liberty and its symbol is the
animal.
>That which beseemeth man is submission unto such restraints as will
protect
>him from his own ignorance, and guard him against the harm of the
>mischiefmaker. Liberty causeth man to overstep the bounds of
propriety,
and
>to infringe on the dignity of his station. It debaseth him to
the level of
>extreme
>depravity and wickedness.
> ... We approve of liberty in certain circumstances, and refuse to
sanction
>it in others. We, verily, are the All-Knowing.
> "Say: True liberty consisteth in man's submission unto My
commandments,
>little as ye know it. Were men to observe that which We have
sent Down
unto
>them from the Heaven of Revelation, they would, of a certainty, attain
unto
>perfect liberty. ... Say: The liberty that profteth you is to be
found
>nowhere except in complete servitude unto God, the Eternal
Truth. Whoso
hath
>tasted of its sweetness will refuse to barter it for all the dominion
of
>earth and heaven." [Gleanings from the Writings of
Bahá'u'lláh, pp. 335-36
>(#159)]
>
> And, regarding freedom of speech, consider some of Bahá'u'lláh's
words re:
>the true seeker:
>
> "That seeker must, at all times, put his trust in God, must
renounce the
>peoples of the earth, must detach himself from the world of dust, and
cleave
>unto Him Who is the Lord of Lords. He must never seek to exalt
himself
above
>any one, must wash away from the tablet of his heart every trace of
pride
and
>vain-glory, must cling unto patience and resignation, observe silence
and
>refrain from idle talk. For the tongue is a smoldering fire, and
excess
>of speech a deadly poison. Material fire consumeth the body,
whereas the
>fire of the tongue devoureth both heart and soul. The force of
the former
>lasteth but for a time, whilst the effects of the latter endureth a
century."
>[Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, pp. 264-65 (#125)]
>
> When we allow ego to be our guide, we do so at our peril. We
Bahá'ís are
>not perfect, whether we serve on the institutions of our Faith or not;
many
>mistakes have been made by those who sit in the council chambers, and
many
>more will be made in the future. The individuals who serve on
the
Assemblies
>are fallible, but the Assemblies, as God-given institutions, are
infallible
>as long as they are conducted in that rarified atmosphere of
detachment
>and service to all humanity for the sake of God and His Chosen
Ones. It is
>an ideal for which we must diligently strive; one which, I firmly
believe,
is
>attainable.
> May we all be delivered from the shackles of our own short comings,
and
may
>each of us be enabled to rise to the wonderous potential with which
our
>loving Father has endowed us.
>
>Peace and love, Rob.
>
>
>
>
>
>
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 9:59 AM
To: TOSBoards1; Barthaman; Shaksway@aol.com; RobertNik#aol.com;
RayHanania@aol.com; PParvin#aol.com; Member1700#aol.com; Macho786#aol.com;
Ruletherod; Nadle; Mr Mahdi; ccrawfeild@aol.com; AAli929596#aol.com;
CRust60001#aol.com; HANI72#aol.com
Subject: Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
Three more false TOSs alleged by Mark Foster.
Subj: TOS Report
Date: 2/23/1999 8:42:53 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Here is another one (board disruption/spamming)
Subject: Re: Becky: "Bahai Censorship" folder
Date: 02/23/1999 07:05 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990223080513.05493.00001741@ng105.aol.com>
>ubject: Becky: "Bahai Censorship" folder
>Date: 2/22/1999 1:41 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Ruletherod
>Message-id: <19990222014148.28090.00001614@ng05.aol.com>
>
>>I think this is an excellent folder suggestion, as I would love to
see
>postings on this topic confined to one folder instead of the current
>situation, where the same thing is posted over and over and over again
in
all
>the other folders.
>>Becky
>
>You have to realize that there are no fast rules in this, Becky. If
anyone
>who's critical over censorship posts there and everyone else just
ignores
the
>folder -- like the father sending his kid to his room "to get
over it" --
>you'll
>see an "immigration" to the high traffic folders again.
People will always
go
>where they think they'll be "heard" most.
Rule may be right about this but I would still like to see such a
folder
created by our Forum Leader Mark Foster. It would, as with any other
topic,
help those interested in it find on AOL a place to discuss it without
being
accused of TOSs for mentioning such realities elsewhere in the Bahai
Forums
as is now happening....
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boar
Subj: TOS
Date: 2/23/1999 8:44:14 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
And here is another one:
Subject: Re: "Bahai Censorship"
Date: 02/23/1999 07:03 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990223080303.05493.00001738@ng105.aol.com>
>Subject: Re: "Bahai Censorship"
>Date: 2/22/1999 1:31 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Ruletherod
>Message-id: <19990222013107.28090.00001612@ng05.aol.com>
>
>>I would like to ask for a folder to be created titled Bahai
Censorship so
>that this important topic and how it relates to the Bahai Faith today
may
>be discussed by AOL members.
>--Fred
>
>Although this isn't a pleasant topic for Baha'is who haven't yet
experienced
>censorship (or who might live in a state of perpetual denial), it is a
>seriously important topic in the broader scheme of things. Just
including
>this kind of folder would lend more credibility to the Baha'is
"openness
with
>the truth."
Rule,
I'm glad you agree. There may be others too who agree now and wish to
discuss this important topic and how it relates to the Bahai Faith.
I ask again our Bahai Forum Leader, Mr. Foster, will you add a folder
titled
"Bahai Censorship"?
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
ds
Subj: TOS
Date: 2/23/1999 8:47:45 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
And another one:
Subject: "Bahai Censorship" folder now being discussed
Date: 02/23/1999 07:10 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990223081042.05493.00001745@ng105.aol.com>
I am announcing that the creation of a new folder titled
"Bahai Censorship" is now being discussed in Questions
to Forum Leader. Those interested in the topic or the
creation of the folder might want to contribute to the
discussion.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
Three more false TOSs alleged by Mark Foster.
Subj: TOS Report
Date: 2/23/1999 8:42:53 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
Here is another one (board disruption/spamming)
Subject: Re: Becky: "Bahai Censorship" folder
Date: 02/23/1999 07:05 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990223080513.05493.00001741@ng105.aol.com>
>ubject: Becky: "Bahai Censorship" folder
>Date: 2/22/1999 1:41 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Ruletherod
>Message-id: <19990222014148.28090.00001614@ng05.aol.com>
>
>>I think this is an excellent folder suggestion, as I would love to
see
>postings on this topic confined to one folder instead of the current
>situation, where the same thing is posted over and over and over again
in
all
>the other folders.
>>Becky
>
>You have to realize that there are no fast rules in this, Becky. If
anyone
>who's critical over censorship posts there and everyone else just
ignores
the
>folder -- like the father sending his kid to his room "to get
over it" --
>you'll
>see an "immigration" to the high traffic folders again.
People will always
go
>where they think they'll be "heard" most.
Rule may be right about this but I would still like to see such a
folder
created by our Forum Leader Mark Foster. It would, as with any other
topic,
help those interested in it find on AOL a place to discuss it without
being
accused of TOSs for mentioning such realities elsewhere in the Bahai
Forums
as is now happening....
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boar
Subj: TOS
Date: 2/23/1999 8:44:14 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
And here is another one:
Subject: Re: "Bahai Censorship"
Date: 02/23/1999 07:03 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990223080303.05493.00001738@ng105.aol.com>
>Subject: Re: "Bahai Censorship"
>Date: 2/22/1999 1:31 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Ruletherod
>Message-id: <19990222013107.28090.00001612@ng05.aol.com>
>
>>I would like to ask for a folder to be created titled Bahai
Censorship so
>that this important topic and how it relates to the Bahai Faith today
may
>be discussed by AOL members.
>--Fred
>
>Although this isn't a pleasant topic for Baha'is who haven't yet
experienced
>censorship (or who might live in a state of perpetual denial), it is a
>seriously important topic in the broader scheme of things. Just
including
>this kind of folder would lend more credibility to the Baha'is
"openness
with
>the truth."
Rule,
I'm glad you agree. There may be others too who agree now and wish to
discuss this important topic and how it relates to the Bahai Faith.
I ask again our Bahai Forum Leader, Mr. Foster, will you add a folder
titled
"Bahai Censorship"?
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
ds
Subj: TOS
Date: 2/23/1999 8:47:45 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
And another one:
Subject: "Bahai Censorship" folder now being discussed
Date: 02/23/1999 07:10 Central Standard Time
From: FG
Message-id: <19990223081042.05493.00001745@ng105.aol.com>
I am announcing that the creation of a new folder titled
"Bahai Censorship" is now being discussed in Questions
to Forum Leader. Those interested in the topic or the
creation of the folder might want to contribute to the
discussion.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990223131557.01160.00003140@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>Fred,
>
>You wrote:
>>Liar. You've been TOSing for
>>similarly specious reasons many
>>people
>
>I am not lying. If you go back and read what I wrote, I said that you
are
the
>only person that I have REGULARLY been "axing," using your
term. I never
said
>that I have not dealt with other TOS problems, as they have arisen.
Sophistry, clear and simple. A number of
people have emailed me about what you've been
doing to them too. We're not going to take it and
have and are appealing to AOL to protect freedom
of speech and conscience in the Bahai Forums FROM
you. Further, YOU are creating the problems through
your intolerance and fanaticism. Ever since you showed
up out of nowhere three or four weeks ago you've been
running nothing but a fundamentalist purge of the Bahai
Forums.
>As an AOL community leader (forum manager), I am obliged to
enforce that
>company's message board guidelines. For whatever reason, you are the
only
>person who REGULARLY violates them.
False. I'm the only person who has enough guts
to stand up to you and other Bahai fanatics who have
no respect or tolerance for others' opinions. AOL people
on the TOSBoards1@aol.com can confirm this by reading
the record in talk.religion.bahai and alt.religion.bahai. My
website also documents the TWO YEAR long opposition
to free speech on Usenet. Mark Foster and his cohorts
are exploiting the lack of familiarity among most AOL
personnel to their advantage by attempting to blackball
me and other AOL members who refuse to accept their
literal interpretations of the BAhai Faith. I am incidentally
a Bahai myself.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>Mark A. Foster
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 4:15 PM
To: TOSBoards1; Barthaman; Shaksway@aol.com; RobertNik#aol.com;
RayHanania@aol.com; PParvin#aol.com; Member1700#aol.com; Macho786#aol.com;
Ruletherod; Nadle; Mr Mahdi; ccrawfeild@aol.com; AAli929596#aol.com;
CRust60001#aol.com; HANI72#aol.com
Subject: Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990223131557.01160.00003140@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>Fred,
>
>You wrote:
>>Liar. You've been TOSing for
>>similarly specious reasons many
>>people
>
>I am not lying. If you go back and read what I wrote, I said that you
are
the
>only person that I have REGULARLY been "axing," using your
term. I never
said
>that I have not dealt with other TOS problems, as they have arisen.
Sophistry, clear and simple. A number of
people have emailed me about what you've been
doing to them too. We're not going to take it and
have and are appealing to AOL to protect freedom
of speech and conscience in the Bahai Forums FROM
you. Further, YOU are creating the problems through
your intolerance and fanaticism. Ever since you showed
up out of nowhere three or four weeks ago you've been
running nothing but a fundamentalist purge of the Bahai
Forums.
>As an AOL community leader (forum manager), I am obliged to
enforce that
>company's message board guidelines. For whatever reason, you are the
only
>person who REGULARLY violates them.
False. I'm the only person who has enough guts
to stand up to you and other Bahai fanatics who have
no respect or tolerance for others' opinions. AOL people
on the TOSBoards1@aol.com can confirm this by reading
the record in talk.religion.bahai and alt.religion.bahai. My
website also documents the TWO YEAR long opposition
to free speech on Usenet. Mark Foster and his cohorts
are exploiting the lack of familiarity among most AOL
personnel to their advantage by attempting to blackball
me and other AOL members who refuse to accept their
literal interpretations of the BAhai Faith. I am incidentally
a Bahai myself.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>Mark A. Foster
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 4:22 PM
To: TOSBoards1; Barthaman; Shaksway@aol.com; RobertNik#aol.com;
RayHanania@aol.com; PParvin#aol.com; Member1700#aol.com; Macho786#aol.com;
Ruletherod; Nadle; Mr Mahdi; ccrawfeild@aol.com; AAli929596#aol.com;
CRust60001#aol.com; HANI72#aol.com
Subject: Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990223132219.01160.00003147@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>Fred,
>
>They were not false reports. You requested a folder dealing with
censorship
in
>five separate messages in a one-hour time period. That is spamming.
Your reporting me for TOSs was false and you
should be removed from the position of Forum
Leader because of it. My message were all
different in nature, touching on different aspects
of the necessity for a folder titled Bahai Censorship,
which you and other fundamentalist Bahais oppose.
A number of other AOL members in the Bahai Forums
agreed they would like such a folder created and I
merely directed them to Questions to the Forum Leader
where further discussion could take place. It should be
noted Foster is not TOSing those who share his interpreation
of what the Bahai Faith should be. Incidentally, I myself
am a Bahai.
I pay $21.95 a month, and I don't pay it for deceit and
tyranny.
>
>You left off my message in which I gave a detailed explanation for my
actions.
I don't believe that I did. It was not my intention. If
somehow it was not copied, repost it here.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>Mark A. Foster
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990223132219.01160.00003147@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>Fred,
>
>They were not false reports. You requested a folder dealing with
censorship
in
>five separate messages in a one-hour time period. That is spamming.
Your reporting me for TOSs was false and you
should be removed from the position of Forum
Leader because of it. My message were all
different in nature, touching on different aspects
of the necessity for a folder titled Bahai Censorship,
which you and other fundamentalist Bahais oppose.
A number of other AOL members in the Bahai Forums
agreed they would like such a folder created and I
merely directed them to Questions to the Forum Leader
where further discussion could take place. It should be
noted Foster is not TOSing those who share his interpreation
of what the Bahai Faith should be. Incidentally, I myself
am a Bahai.
I pay $21.95 a month, and I don't pay it for deceit and
tyranny.
>
>You left off my message in which I gave a detailed explanation for my
actions.
I don't believe that I did. It was not my intention. If
somehow it was not copied, repost it here.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>Mark A. Foster
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 4:29 PM
To: TOSBoards1; Barthaman; Shaksway@aol.com; RobertNik#aol.com;
RayHanania@aol.com; PParvin#aol.com; Member1700#aol.com; Macho786#aol.com;
Ruletherod; Nadle; Mr Mahdi; ccrawfeild@aol.com; AAli929596#aol.com;
CRust60001#aol.com; HANI72#aol.com
Subject: Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990223131933.01160.00003143@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>Fred,
>
>You wrote:
>>I should add that Mark Foster
>>has established a clear pattern
>>of abusing his position as Forum
>>Leader by targetting me and
>>forwarding as TOSs nearly every
>>post on any subject in whatever
>>folder I post
>
>That is not true. I only send your TOSable posts to the Community
Action
Team.
>I would estimate that, in your case, that would be around 3/4 of them.
False again. Your opinion only. You have thoroughly
abused your privileges as Forum Leader, and should
be removed, as they were removed, by AOL in the past,
from two other Bahai fanatics who tyrannized others:
Vahid and Edmund.
I hope AOL this time will either find someone who can
be fair to all points of view or appoint two or three people
who can work together counterbalancing each other since
is manifestly clear that most Bahais end up censoring
other AOL members for specious, doctrinal reasons.
>
>There is no campaign to get you kicked off of AOL. The intention is
for
forum
>participants to comply with AOL regulations.
False. You've made it your sole purpose since you
returned after abandoning your responsibilities for
more than EIGHT MONTHS. AOL personnel may
verify that fact by reading the folders Announcements,
Questions to Forum Leader, and For N0n-Bahais, where
I have been asking you to make several improvements
since early August.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>Mark A. Foster
>
>Mark A. Foster
>>to for at least three or four weeks now.
>
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990223131933.01160.00003143@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>Fred,
>
>You wrote:
>>I should add that Mark Foster
>>has established a clear pattern
>>of abusing his position as Forum
>>Leader by targetting me and
>>forwarding as TOSs nearly every
>>post on any subject in whatever
>>folder I post
>
>That is not true. I only send your TOSable posts to the Community
Action
Team.
>I would estimate that, in your case, that would be around 3/4 of them.
False again. Your opinion only. You have thoroughly
abused your privileges as Forum Leader, and should
be removed, as they were removed, by AOL in the past,
from two other Bahai fanatics who tyrannized others:
Vahid and Edmund.
I hope AOL this time will either find someone who can
be fair to all points of view or appoint two or three people
who can work together counterbalancing each other since
is manifestly clear that most Bahais end up censoring
other AOL members for specious, doctrinal reasons.
>
>There is no campaign to get you kicked off of AOL. The intention is
for
forum
>participants to comply with AOL regulations.
False. You've made it your sole purpose since you
returned after abandoning your responsibilities for
more than EIGHT MONTHS. AOL personnel may
verify that fact by reading the folders Announcements,
Questions to Forum Leader, and For N0n-Bahais, where
I have been asking you to make several improvements
since early August.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>Mark A. Foster
>
>Mark A. Foster
>>to for at least three or four weeks now.
>
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 5:24 PM
To: Mr Mahdi
Subject: Fw: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
Foster's clearly on the run and worried he's
going to get the boot from AOL. Write
TOSBoards1@aol.com and hostmgr@aol.com
as soon as you can if you would. It would help
for them to hear from someone other than myself
on this.
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
>RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990223131557.01160.00003140@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>>Fred,
>>
>>You wrote:
>>>Liar. You've been TOSing for
>>>similarly specious reasons many
>>>people
>>
>>I am not lying. If you go back and read what I wrote, I said that
you are
>the
>>only person that I have REGULARLY been "axing," using
your term. I never
>said
>>that I have not dealt with other TOS problems, as they have
arisen.
>
>Sophistry, clear and simple. A number of
>people have emailed me about what you've been
>doing to them too. We're not going to take it and
>have and are appealing to AOL to protect freedom
>of speech and conscience in the Bahai Forums FROM
>you. Further, YOU are creating the problems through
>your intolerance and fanaticism. Ever since you showed
>up out of nowhere three or four weeks ago you've been
>running nothing but a fundamentalist purge of the Bahai
>Forums.
>
>>As an AOL community leader (forum manager), I am obliged to
enforce that
>>company's message board guidelines. For whatever reason, you are
the only
>>person who REGULARLY violates them.
>
>False. I'm the only person who has enough guts
>to stand up to you and other Bahai fanatics who have
>no respect or tolerance for others' opinions. AOL people
>on the TOSBoards1@aol.com can confirm this by reading
>the record in talk.religion.bahai and alt.religion.bahai. My
>website also documents the TWO YEAR long opposition
>to free speech on Usenet. Mark Foster and his cohorts
>are exploiting the lack of familiarity among most AOL
>personnel to their advantage by attempting to blackball
>me and other AOL members who refuse to accept their
>literal interpretations of the BAhai Faith. I am incidentally
>a Bahai myself.
>
>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>
>
>
>>
>>Mark A. Foster
>
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 5:25 PM
To: Ruletherod
Subject: Fw: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
Foster's clearly on the run and worried he's
going to get the boot from AOL. Write
TOSBoards1@aol.com and hostmgr@aol.com
as soon as you can if you would. It would help
for them to hear from someone other than myself
on this.
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: FG <FG@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
>RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990223131557.01160.00003140@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>>Fred,
>>
>>You wrote:
>>>Liar. You've been TOSing for
>>>similarly specious reasons many
>>>people
>>
>>I am not lying. If you go back and read what I wrote, I said that
you are
>the
>>only person that I have REGULARLY been "axing," using
your term. I never
>said
>>that I have not dealt with other TOS problems, as they have
arisen.
>
>Sophistry, clear and simple. A number of
>people have emailed me about what you've been
>doing to them too. We're not going to take it and
>have and are appealing to AOL to protect freedom
>of speech and conscience in the Bahai Forums FROM
>you. Further, YOU are creating the problems through
>your intolerance and fanaticism. Ever since you showed
>up out of nowhere three or four weeks ago you've been
>running nothing but a fundamentalist purge of the Bahai
>Forums.
>
>>As an AOL community leader (forum manager), I am obliged to
enforce that
>>company's message board guidelines. For whatever reason, you are
the only
>>person who REGULARLY violates them.
>
>False. I'm the only person who has enough guts
>to stand up to you and other Bahai fanatics who have
>no respect or tolerance for others' opinions. AOL people
>on the TOSBoards1@aol.com can confirm this by reading
>the record in talk.religion.bahai and alt.religion.bahai. My
>website also documents the TWO YEAR long opposition
>to free speech on Usenet. Mark Foster and his cohorts
>are exploiting the lack of familiarity among most AOL
>personnel to their advantage by attempting to blackball
>me and other AOL members who refuse to accept their
>literal interpretations of the BAhai Faith. I am incidentally
>a Bahai myself.
>
>FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>
>
>
>>
>>Mark A. Foster
>
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 9:08 AM
To: TOSBoards1; HANI72#aol.com; CRust60001#aol.com; AAli929596#aol.com;
ccrawfeild@aol.com; Mr Mahdi; Nadle; Ruletherod; Macho786#aol.com;
Member1700#aol.com; PParvin#aol.com; RayHanania@aol.com;
RobertNik#aol.com; Shaksway@aol.com; Barthaman
Subject: Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
False allegation of a TOS. Foster here deletes my
message which was a legitimate answer to this one
and not a TOS.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: to TOS
Date: 2/24/1999 8:01:56 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
This one was sent to TOS for name-calling. (You will notice, Fred,
that I
have not sent your other message to TOS.)
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Faith Forum Manager
>(Most likely Mark will TOS this post for
>"getting personal" with someone.)
Nadle, I am not sure about that one. Since you are focusing on the
"remark"
(not the person), it seems okay to me. But, honestly, I am not sure on
this
one. ;-)
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
False allegation of a TOS. Foster here deletes my
message which was a legitimate answer to this one
and not a TOS.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: to TOS
Date: 2/24/1999 8:01:56 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: FG
This one was sent to TOS for name-calling. (You will notice, Fred,
that I
have not sent your other message to TOS.)
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Faith Forum Manager
>(Most likely Mark will TOS this post for
>"getting personal" with someone.)
Nadle, I am not sure about that one. Since you are focusing on the
"remark"
(not the person), it seems okay to me. But, honestly, I am not sure on
this
one. ;-)
----------
From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 7:59 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: TOS on Bahai Forums/Message Boards/For Non-Bahais
This isn't cute to me. This is an insult, and the kind
of thing that the so-called Forum Leader Mark Foster
regularly allows to take place with his double standard.
This woman has been allowed by him to refer to my
opinions as "garbage" for instance.
Subject: Re: Rob: Welcome to what's left of this board
Date: 2/23/1999 8:57 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="">Smaneck</A>
Message-id: <19990223085712.01159.00002811@ng-fi1.aol.com>
Rule writes:
> Baha'u'llah -- as Wendy readily points out -- uses the word
"Satan"
>to conjure up the sentiments Baha'is should have toward their
"enemies."
This is not fair Rule. You're bashing Wendy when Fred isn't around for
me to
bash! At any rate, Baha'u'llah mostly uses "Satan" to refer the
evil that lies
within our own souls, not our external enemies.
warmest,
Susan Maneck
----------
From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 8:04 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com; TOSBoards1@aol.com
Subject: TOS on Bahai Forums/Message Boards/For Non-Bahais
This is an open insult from the purported Forum Leader
who has indeed been attempting to cenor me and other
people on the Bahai Forums by alleging many, many
false TOSs. He knows quite well he's insulting and
mocking me and I believe he should be cited for this
as well as removed from his position as Forum Leader.
Subject: Re: Mahdi: Ken's humble opinion
Date: 2/24/1999 7:59 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:RBCF Mark">RBCF Mark</A>
Message-id: <19990224075915.07558.00003249@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>What's notable here is that the
>Forum Leader has become a
>censor and obviously is
>attempting to scare people into
>silence, as is so often by
>Bahais.
Well, Fred, if that is true (and it's not), I obviously haven't been
very
successful in your case. :-)
Sincerely, RBCF Mark, a.k.a. <A
HREF="https://hometown.aol.com/rbcfmark/">Mark
A. Foster, Ph.D.</A>
Bahá'í Faith Forum Manager
<A
HREF="https://www.markfoster.net/">https://www.markfoster.net</A>
<A
HREF="https://markfoster.org/">https://markfoster.org</A>
<A HREF="https://bahai.nu/">https://bahai.nu</A>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 8:14 AM
To: FG
Subject: Fw: TOS on Bahai Forums/Message Boards/For Non-Bahais
I'd appreciate it if you would report this as a TOS
too. I think it's typical of the kind of double standard
we see so often on the Message Boards.
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: FG@aol.com <FG@aol.com>
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com <TOSGeneral@aol.com>
Cc: FG@hotmail.com <FG@hotmail.com>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 6:59 AM
Subject: TOS on Bahai Forums/Message Boards/For Non-Bahais
>This isn't cute to me. This is an insult, and the kind
>of thing that the so-called Forum Leader Mark Foster
>regularly allows to take place with his double standard.
>This woman has been allowed by him to refer to my
>opinions as "garbage" for instance.
>
>
>
>Subject: Re: Rob: Welcome to what's left of this board
>Date: 2/23/1999 8:57 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: <A HREF="">Smaneck</A>
>Message-id: <19990223085712.01159.00002811@ng-fi1.aol.com>
>
>Rule writes:
>
>> Baha'u'llah -- as Wendy readily points out -- uses the word
"Satan"
>>to conjure up the sentiments Baha'is should have toward their
"enemies."
>
>This is not fair Rule. You're bashing Wendy when Fred isn't around for
me
to
>bash! At any rate, Baha'u'llah mostly uses "Satan" to refer
the evil that
lies
>within our own souls, not our external enemies.
>
>
>warmest,
>
>Susan Maneck
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 8:14 AM
To: FG
Subject: Fw: TOS on Bahai Forums/Message Boards/For Non-Bahais
I'd appreciate it if you would report this as a TOS
too. I think it's typical of the kind of double standard
we see so often on the Message Boards.
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: FG@aol.com <FG@aol.com>
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com <TOSGeneral@aol.com>
Cc: FG@hotmail.com <FG@hotmail.com>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 6:59 AM
Subject: TOS on Bahai Forums/Message Boards/For Non-Bahais
>This isn't cute to me. This is an insult, and the kind
>of thing that the so-called Forum Leader Mark Foster
>regularly allows to take place with his double standard.
>This woman has been allowed by him to refer to my
>opinions as "garbage" for instance.
>
>
>
>Subject: Re: Rob: Welcome to what's left of this board
>Date: 2/23/1999 8:57 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: <A HREF="">Smaneck</A>
>Message-id: <19990223085712.01159.00002811@ng-fi1.aol.com>
>
>Rule writes:
>
>> Baha'u'llah -- as Wendy readily points out -- uses the word
"Satan"
>>to conjure up the sentiments Baha'is should have toward their
"enemies."
>
>This is not fair Rule. You're bashing Wendy when Fred isn't around for
me
to
>bash! At any rate, Baha'u'llah mostly uses "Satan" to refer
the evil that
lies
>within our own souls, not our external enemies.
>
>
>warmest,
>
>Susan Maneck
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 8:15 AM
To: FG
Subject: Fw: TOS on Bahai Forums/Message Boards/For Non-Bahais
Especially this one too from Foster himself.....
-----Original Message-----
From: FG@aol.com <FG@aol.com>
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com <TOSGeneral@aol.com>
Cc: FG@hotmail.com <FG@hotmail.com>;
TOSBoards1@aol.com
<TOSBoards1@aol.com>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 7:04 AM
Subject: TOS on Bahai Forums/Message Boards/For Non-Bahais
This is an open insult from the purported Forum Leader
who has indeed been attempting to cenor me and other
people on the Bahai Forums by alleging many, many
false TOSs. He knows quite well he's insulting and
mocking me and I believe he should be cited for this
as well as removed from his position as Forum Leader.
Subject: Re: Mahdi: Ken's humble opinion
Date: 2/24/1999 7:59 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:RBCF Mark">RBCF Mark</A>
Message-id: <19990224075915.07558.00003249@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>What's notable here is that the
>Forum Leader has become a
>censor and obviously is
>attempting to scare people into
>silence, as is so often by
>Bahais.
Well, Fred, if that is true (and it's not), I obviously haven't been
very
successful in your case. :-)
Sincerely, RBCF Mark, a.k.a. <A
HREF="https://hometown.aol.com/rbcfmark/">Mark
A. Foster, Ph.D.</A>
Bahá'í Faith Forum Manager
<A
HREF="https://www.markfoster.net/">https://www.markfoster.net</A>
<A
HREF="https://markfoster.org/">https://markfoster.org</A>
<A HREF="https://bahai.nu/">https://bahai.nu</A>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 8:15 AM
To: FG
Subject: Fw: TOS on Bahai Forums/Message Boards/For Non-Bahais
Especially this one too from Foster himself.....
-----Original Message-----
From: FG@aol.com <FG@aol.com>
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com <TOSGeneral@aol.com>
Cc: FG@hotmail.com <FG@hotmail.com>;
TOSBoards1@aol.com
<TOSBoards1@aol.com>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 7:04 AM
Subject: TOS on Bahai Forums/Message Boards/For Non-Bahais
This is an open insult from the purported Forum Leader
who has indeed been attempting to cenor me and other
people on the Bahai Forums by alleging many, many
false TOSs. He knows quite well he's insulting and
mocking me and I believe he should be cited for this
as well as removed from his position as Forum Leader.
Subject: Re: Mahdi: Ken's humble opinion
Date: 2/24/1999 7:59 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:RBCF Mark">RBCF Mark</A>
Message-id: <19990224075915.07558.00003249@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>What's notable here is that the
>Forum Leader has become a
>censor and obviously is
>attempting to scare people into
>silence, as is so often by
>Bahais.
Well, Fred, if that is true (and it's not), I obviously haven't been
very
successful in your case. :-)
Sincerely, RBCF Mark, a.k.a. <A
HREF="https://hometown.aol.com/rbcfmark/">Mark
A. Foster, Ph.D.</A>
Bahá'í Faith Forum Manager
<A
HREF="https://www.markfoster.net/">https://www.markfoster.net</A>
<A
HREF="https://markfoster.org/">https://markfoster.org</A>
<A HREF="https://bahai.nu/">https://bahai.nu</A>
----------
From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 8:18 AM
To: TOSBoards1@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: (no subject)
Here's a perfect example of what's wrong with the TOS
system. I attempt to submit a instance of violating the
TOS rules to TOSGeneral and receive back and autoresponder
that refers me back to the Bahai Forum Leader who is
responsible for the TOSs taking place against me by this
person, himself, and others....
Subj: Fwd: TOS on Bahai Forums/Message Boards/For Non-Bahais
Date: 2/25/1999 7:14:54 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:TOSGen1">TOSGen1</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
Dear Member,
Questions or comments regarding activities in a particular forum need
to be
addressed to the forum's staff or supervisor. Most forums have a
"Feedback" or
"Meet the Staff" button on their main screen; this is the best
way to contact
staff members.
If you are unable to locate the screen name of a staff member, you may
want to
go to keyword <A
HREF="aol://1722:help">QUESTIONS</A> or
<A HREF="aol://1722:suggestions">SUGGESTIONS</A>.
Your letter will be
forwarded from there to the proper person.
Thank you for writing.
Please note, this screen name cannot accept replies. Therefore, if you
have
any comments or questions please send mail to <A HREF="mailto:
TOSGeneral">
TOSGeneral</A>.
Regards,
Jenny
Community Action Team
America Online, Inc.
-----------------
Forwarded Message:
Subj: Fwd: TOS on Bahai Forums/Message Boards/For Non-Bahais
Date: 2/25/1999 6:59:59 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:TOSGeneral">TOSGeneral</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:TOSGen1">TOSGen1</A>
[This Message (REGULAR) Has Been Forwarded By The Mail Spinner]
-----------------
Forwarded Message:
Subj: TOS on Bahai Forums/Message Boards/For Non-Bahais
Date: 2/25/1999 6:59:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:TOSGeneral">TOSGeneral</A>
CC: <A
HREF="mailto:FG@hotmail.com">FG@hotmail.com</A>
This isn't cute to me. This is an insult, and the kind
of thing that the so-called Forum Leader Mark Foster
regularly allows to take place with his double standard.
This woman has been allowed by him to refer to my
opinions as "garbage" for instance.
Subject: Re: Rob: Welcome to what's left of this board
Date: 2/23/1999 8:57 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="">Smaneck</A>
Message-id: <19990223085712.01159.00002811@ng-fi1.aol.com>
Rule writes:
> Baha'u'llah -- as Wendy readily points out -- uses the word
"Satan"
>to conjure up the sentiments Baha'is should have toward their
"enemies."
This is not fair Rule. You're bashing Wendy when Fred isn't around for
me to
bash! At any rate, Baha'u'llah mostly uses "Satan" to refer the
evil that lies
within our own souls, not our external enemies.
warmest,
Susan Maneck
----------
From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 2:52 PM
To: MrMahdi@aol.com
Cc: TOSBoards1@aol.com; FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Folder Suggestion - Bahai Censorship
It shows how absurdly he's interpreting
the TOS so-called rules. How are you
supposed to discuss the Bahai teachings
and your views on Islam if he can brand
any response as "proslytizing."
As a Bahai, I find the Forum Leader doing this
to Mr Mahdi an outrage.
FG@aol.com
Subj: Re: Folder Suggestion - Bahai Censorship
Date: 2/25/1999 11:58:51 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:Mr Mahdi">Mr Mahdi</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
Mark, the fundamentalist tyrant has TOSsed me again. The the
list of my posts
being yanked by Mark have almost reached a dozen, while only one of them
AOL
has commented on:
Subj: sent to TOS
Date: 2/25/99 8:50:51 AM Central Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: Mr Mahdi
I sent this one to TOS for board disruption (proselytizing). Please
refrain
from promoting Islam or trying to convince Baha'is that their beliefs are
incorrect.
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
Subject: Re: Muhammad's Farewell Sermon
Date: 02/24/1999 22:32 Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:Mr Mahdi">Mr Mahdi</A>
Message-id: <19990224233255.01127.00002436@ng-fp1.aol.com>
>Muhummad is the Seal of the Prophets, indeed; but sealing
something doesn't
>make it the last of its kind. If "Seal" meant there
would be no new
>Revelation, why should the world expect the coming of the Mahdi/Qá'im
and the
>Qayyúm?
The Mahdi is not a prophet or messenger, he is the leader of the
Muslims.
Mahdi will not bring a new message but he will implement Islam. The
Qa'im and
Qayyum are from shi'a not Islam.
>To say that God cannot reveal another Prophet after Muhammad is
tantamount to
>the Jews saying that God's hand is chained up, that after Moses there
would
>be no new Revelation from God. How vain are such
imaginings. It is in God's
>hands, not ours.
God said in the Quran in 3:85 that if you choose a religion other than
islam,
it will not be accepted and you will be in the Hereafter a loser.
God also
said in 5:3 that He perfected, completed, and chosen Islam for us.
If seems
that the concept of "progressive revelation" contradicts the
concepts in 5:3
and 3:85. God is capable of anything, including giving us a
message that is
beyond the limitations of time and place. Allah didnt make Islam a
victim of time or place, because Islam agrees with human nature and human
nature hasnt changed since Adam and Eve. The Quran was revealed to
Muhammad,
and Muhammad never said God told him that Heaven and Hell are
"spiritual
conditions," that Adam and Eve are allegories, that Satan is not a
being but
our egos. When Muhammad was described by his wife, she said he was
the Quran
walking. He gave us the explanation of the Quran. He knew more
about the
Quran than bab or bahaullah. SO how can they explain something
better than
Muhammad who never explained those things in that way?
> we must strive to learn by the errors of past generations
by not relying
>strictly on literal interpretation,
The same people who deny clear-cut statements are the same ones that
say David
Koresh and Moon are Jesus. What is the purpose of describing and
giving
detail to something if it is not meant to be taken literally? I can
say if
God said left He really meant right if I were to accept your logic.
God
doesnt decieve, He gave us brains to think. If the Mahdi will rule a
caliphate for 7 years, be from the tribe of Quraish, have parents named
Aamina
and
Abdullah, then I see that bab didnt fit not even one of those
descriptions, as
a thinking being I cant accept clear cut contradictions and
inconsistencies.
Mahdi
----------
From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 8:51 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: TOSBoards1@aol.com; FG@hotmail.com
Subject: TOS - personal insult - Maneck
This person is consistently insulting me on the
Bahai Forums while the Forum Leader permits it,
though charging me with TOSs for all kinds of
innocuous statements.
FG@aol.com
Subject: Re: alt.religion.bahai & talk.religion.bahai
Date: 2/25/1999 11:22 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="">Smaneck</A>
Message-id: <19990225112245.13529.00000211@ng-ch1.aol.com>
Charlotte writes:
>So.... I will ask Mark to NOT add these newsgroups if you will not
agree to
>immediately remove those items placed there without permission and
agree to
>stop the practice of putting them there in the future.
Dear Charlotte,
While your annoyance to Fred doing this is well taken and he is
certainly
violating standard netiquette and perhaps copyright laws in forwarding
other's
posts, I don't think we can oppose the addition of newsgroups because of
the
unconscionable behavior of one of its members.
I think it is sufficient reason to refuse to add Mr. Glaysher's own
website,
however since he has total control of its contents. Besides, it is not
like he
doesn't "provide" us with that website address on a regular
basis.
Hey Fred, do you have long pink ears?
warmest,
Susan Maneck
----------
From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 9:12 AM
To: TOSBoards1@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Fwd: TOS - personal insult - Maneck
<<Message: Fwd: TOS - personal insult - Maneck>>
I would like to point out that the ineffective system of
autoresponders
is why I'm forwarding messages to the TOSBoards1. For me to be
insulted in this manner, while this and other Bahai fundamentalists
constantly allege FALSE TOSs against me, resulting even in my
account being suspended, is an outrage.
I'd like to communicate with someone at AOL about this and
have repeatedly asked to to so now for months.
FG@aol.com
In a message dated 2/26/1999 8:08:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, TOSGen1
writes:
> Subj: Fwd: TOS - personal insult - Maneck
> Date: 2/26/1999 8:08:31 AM Eastern Standard Time
> From: <A
HREF="mailto:TOSGen1">TOSGen1</A>
> To: <A
HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
>
> Dear Member,
>
> Questions or comments regarding activities in a particular
forum need to
> be addressed to the forum's staff or supervisor. Most forums have a
"
> Feedback" or "Meet the Staff" button on their main
screen; this is
> the best way to contact staff members.
>
> If you are unable to locate the screen name of a staff member,
you may want
> to go to keyword <A
HREF="aol://1722:help">QUESTIONS</A> or
<A HREF="aol://1722:suggestions">SUGGESTIONS</A>.
Your letter will be
forwarded
> from there to the proper person.
>
> Thank you for writing.
>
> Please note, this screen name cannot accept replies. Therefore,
if you have
> any comments or questions please send mail to <A
HREF="mailto: TOSGeneral">
TOSGeneral</A>.
>
> Regards,
> Michael
> Community Action Team
> America Online, Inc.
> -----------------
> Forwarded Message:
> Subj: Fwd: TOS - personal insult - Maneck
> Date: 2/26/1999 7:52:04 AM Eastern Standard Time
> From: <A
HREF="mailto:TOSGeneral">TOSGeneral</A>
> To: <A HREF="mailto:TOSGen1">TOSGen1</A>
>
> [This Message (REGULAR) Has Been Forwarded By The Mail Spinner]
> -----------------
> Forwarded Message:
> Subj: TOS - personal insult - Maneck
> Date: 2/26/1999 7:51:56 AM Eastern Standard Time
> From: <A
HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
> To: <A
HREF="mailto:TOSGeneral">TOSGeneral</A>
> CC: <A
HREF="mailto:TOSBoards1">TOSBoards1</A>,
<A
HREF="mailto:FG@hotmail.com">FG@hotmail.com</A>
>
> This person is consistently insulting me on the
> Bahai Forums while the Forum Leader permits it,
> though charging me with TOSs for all kinds of
> innocuous statements.
>
> FG@aol.com
>
>
> Subject: Re: alt.religion.bahai & talk.religion.bahai
> Date: 2/25/1999 11:22 AM Eastern Standard Time
> From: <A
HREF="">Smaneck</A>
> Message-id:
<19990225112245.13529.00000211@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>
> Charlotte writes:
>
> >So.... I will ask Mark to NOT add these newsgroups if you
will not agree
to
> >immediately remove those items placed there without
permission and agree
to
> >stop the practice of putting them there in the future.
>
> Dear Charlotte,
>
> While your annoyance to Fred doing this is well taken and he is
certainly
> violating standard netiquette and perhaps copyright laws in
forwarding
other'
> s posts, I don't think we can oppose the addition of newsgroups
because of
> the unconscionable behavior of one of its members.
>
> I think it is sufficient reason to refuse to add Mr. Glaysher's
own
website,
> however since he has total control of its contents. Besides, it is
not like
> he doesn't "provide" us with that website address on a
regular basis.
>
> Hey Fred, do you have long pink ears?
>
>
> warmest,
>
> Susan Maneck
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 7:49 AM
Subject: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990225105528.11959.00000096@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
FG@aol.com wrote
>>I hope AOL this time will either
>>find someone who can be fair to
>>all points of view
>
>I enjoy the full confidence of my supervisors on AOL.
>
>Mark A. Foster, Ph.D.
Who are your supervisors at AOL for the Bahai Forums
and what is their email address? I've asked you this
at least once before. You certainly don't have my
confidence nor that of many people on AOL who
participate in the Bahai Forums and are familiar with
the way you imposed your biases and false TOSs.
FG@aol.com
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 7:51 AM
Subject: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990226015058.11952.00000740@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
>Sorry, that was my mistake. I accidentally pasted the wrong
posting into
the
>email message I sent to you. However, it was correct in the report.
I certainly am not about to believe that coming
from you.
FG@aol.com
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 7:58 AM
To: TOSBoards1; HANI72#aol.com; CRust60001#aol.com; AAli929596#aol.com;
ccrawfeild@aol.com; Mr Mahdi; Nadle; Ruletherod; Macho786#aol.com;
Member1700#aol.com; PParvin#aol.com; RayHanania@aol.com;
RobertNik#aol.com; Shaksway@aol.com; Barthaman
Subject: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990225105858.11959.00000098@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
>Fred wrote:
>> Mark Foster and his cohorts
>>are exploiting the lack of
>>familiarity among most AOL
>>personnel to their advantage
>>by attempting to blackball
>>me and other AOL members
>>who refuse to accept their
>>literal interpretations of the
>>BAhai Faith.
>
>How do you know I have a literal view of the Baha'i Faith? If you read
my
>postings when I was on your email list (mirroring alt.religion.bahai),
you
know
>that is not the case.
False. Changing the subject as well. The issue is
your constant alleging of specious TOSs against me
and others on AOL. For anyone with any knowledge or
experience of the Bahai Faith, it's obvious that you're
supporting the Bahai fundamentalists there and attempting
to target and ultimately have AOL suspend the accounts
of anyone who doesn't share your and their views. You
and other intolerant Bahais know you can depend on
the lack of familiarity on the part of AOL personnel with
the Bahai Faith to work to your advantage.
AOL removed Vahid once it understood what was really
taking place. I'm confident when AOL has finished it's
consideration of Foster's false TOSs allegations they
will do likewise.
FG@aol.com
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 7:58 AM
Subject: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990225105858.11959.00000098@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
>Fred wrote:
>> Mark Foster and his cohorts
>>are exploiting the lack of
>>familiarity among most AOL
>>personnel to their advantage
>>by attempting to blackball
>>me and other AOL members
>>who refuse to accept their
>>literal interpretations of the
>>BAhai Faith.
>
>How do you know I have a literal view of the Baha'i Faith? If you read
my
>postings when I was on your email list (mirroring alt.religion.bahai),
you
know
>that is not the case.
False. Changing the subject as well. The issue is
your constant alleging of specious TOSs against me
and others on AOL. For anyone with any knowledge or
experience of the Bahai Faith, it's obvious that you're
supporting the Bahai fundamentalists there and attempting
to target and ultimately have AOL suspend the accounts
of anyone who doesn't share your and their views. You
and other intolerant Bahais know you can depend on
the lack of familiarity on the part of AOL personnel with
the Bahai Faith to work to your advantage.
AOL removed Vahid once it understood what was really
taking place. I'm confident when AOL has finished it's
consideration of Foster's false TOSs allegations they
will do likewise.
FG@aol.com
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 8:30 AM
To: TOSBoards1; HANI72#aol.com; CRust60001#aol.com; AAli929596#aol.com;
ccrawfeild@aol.com; Mr Mahdi; Nadle; Ruletherod; Macho786#aol.com;
Member1700#aol.com; PParvin#aol.com; RayHanania@aol.com;
RobertNik#aol.com; Shaksway@aol.com; Barthaman
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
FG wrote in message
<7b61nv$1qs3@news1.newsguy.com>...
>RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990225105528.11959.00000096@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
>
>FG@aol.com wrote
>>>I hope AOL this time will either
>>>find someone who can be fair to
>>>all points of view
>>
>>I enjoy the full confidence of my supervisors on AOL.
>>
>>Mark A. Foster, Ph.D.
>
>Who are your supervisors at AOL for the Bahai Forums
>and what is their email address? I've asked you this
>at least once before. You certainly don't have my
>confidence nor that of many people on AOL who
>participate in the Bahai Forums and are familiar with
>the way you imposed your biases and false TOSs.
>
>FG@aol.com
I should add for the AOL TOSBoards1 that this
conversation has had to be moved to Usenent
because Mark Foster has prevented an open
and honest discussion from taking place on AOL.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
FG wrote in message
<7b61nv$1qs3@news1.newsguy.com>...
>RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990225105528.11959.00000096@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
>
>FG@aol.com wrote
>>>I hope AOL this time will either
>>>find someone who can be fair to
>>>all points of view
>>
>>I enjoy the full confidence of my supervisors on AOL.
>>
>>Mark A. Foster, Ph.D.
>
>Who are your supervisors at AOL for the Bahai Forums
>and what is their email address? I've asked you this
>at least once before. You certainly don't have my
>confidence nor that of many people on AOL who
>participate in the Bahai Forums and are familiar with
>the way you imposed your biases and false TOSs.
>
>FG@aol.com
I should add for the AOL TOSBoards1 that this
conversation has had to be moved to Usenent
because Mark Foster has prevented an open
and honest discussion from taking place on AOL.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 8:57 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: TOSBoards1@aol.com; FG@hotmail.com
Subject: TOS - false allegation of slander - Maneck
This person is constantly allowed by the Bahai
Forum Leader Mark Foster to accuse me of "slander"
with impunity. I maintain that no such thing is true.
For her references to my opinions as "garbage,"
for which the Forum Leader also looked the other way,
see
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Maneck1.htm
Subject: Re: Folder changes being discussed
Date: 2/25/1999 11:27 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="">Smaneck</A>
Message-id: <19990225232704.15438.00000711@ng-fi1.aol.com>
Becky writes:
>Now, boys, let's be nice!
Dear Becky,
It is hard to be nice to someone who pretends he wants to open up the
consultation when all the time he is slandering our Forum Leader on
other
lists for enforcing AOL TOS rules.
warmest,
Susan Maneck
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 9:08 AM
Subject: AOL - The new fundamentalist Front (Re: Greatest Spiritual
Teacher?)
McKenny Michael wrote in message
<7b62p6$3kn@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...
> The new factor here is that the Internet
has begun to break the rigid
>censorship imposed by the Universal House of Justice. People can now
start
>to learn what really has been going on, and what had been a tightly
>controlled system in the hands of individuals less concerned with
living
>according to the principles of the religion is opening up.
Since the fundamentalists among my fellow Bahais have
lost their battle to suppress the creation of talk.religion.bahai,
they have moved back their front to AOL and preventing in
further opening up of that ISP for free speech regarding the
Bahai Faith.
----------
From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 9:13 AM
To: TOSBoards1@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: AOL - autoresponders & FALSE TOSs
All of the below applies to this second autoresponder as well:
I would like to point out that the ineffective system of
autoresponders
is why I'm forwarding messages to the TOSBoards1. For me to be
insulted in this manner, while this and other Bahai fundamentalists
constantly allege FALSE TOSs against me, resulting even in my
account being suspended, is an outrage.
I'd like to communicate with someone at AOL about this and
have repeatedly asked to to so now for months.
FG@aol.com
Subj: Re: TOS - false allegation of slander - Maneck
Date: 2/26/1999 8:11:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:TOSGen1">TOSGen1</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
Dear Member,
The Community Action Team has established the following methods of
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Please
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----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 9:21 AM
To: TOSBoards1; HANI72#aol.com; CRust60001#aol.com; AAli929596#aol.com;
ccrawfeild@aol.com; Mr Mahdi; Nadle; Ruletherod; Macho786#aol.com;
Member1700#aol.com; PParvin#aol.com; RayHanania@aol.com;
RobertNik#aol.com; Shaksway@aol.com; Barthaman
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Posted to AOL Bahai Forums/Message Boards/Annoucements
and /Question to Forum Leader
This person is constantly allowed by the Bahai
Forum Leader Mark Foster to accuse me of "slander"
with impunity. I maintain that no such thing is true.
For her references to my opinions as "garbage,"
for which the Forum Leader also looked the other way,
see
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Maneck1.htm
Subject: Re: Folder changes being discussed
Date: 2/25/1999 11:27 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="">Smaneck</A>
Message-id: <19990225232704.15438.00000711@ng-fi1.aol.com>
Becky writes:
>Now, boys, let's be nice!
Dear Becky,
It is hard to be nice to someone who pretends he wants to open up the
consultation when all the time he is slandering our Forum Leader on
other
lists for enforcing AOL TOS rules.
warmest,
Susan Maneck
This person is consistently insulting me on the
Bahai Forums while the Forum Leader permits it,
though charging me with TOSs for all kinds of
innocuous statements.
FG@aol.com
Subject: Re: alt.religion.bahai & talk.religion.bahai
Date: 2/25/1999 11:22 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="">Smaneck</A>
Message-id: <19990225112245.13529.00000211@ng-ch1.aol.com>
Charlotte writes:
>So.... I will ask Mark to NOT add these newsgroups if you will not
agree to
>immediately remove those items placed there without permission and
agree to
>stop the practice of putting them there in the future.
Dear Charlotte,
While your annoyance to Fred doing this is well taken and he is
certainly
violating standard netiquette and perhaps copyright laws in forwarding
other's
posts, I don't think we can oppose the addition of newsgroups because of
the
unconscionable behavior of one of its members.
I think it is sufficient reason to refuse to add Mr. Glaysher's own
website,
however since he has total control of its contents. Besides, it is not
like
he
doesn't "provide" us with that website address on a regular
basis.
Hey Fred, do you have long pink ears?
warmest,
Susan Maneck
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Posted to AOL Bahai Forums/Message Boards/Annoucements
and /Question to Forum Leader
This person is constantly allowed by the Bahai
Forum Leader Mark Foster to accuse me of "slander"
with impunity. I maintain that no such thing is true.
For her references to my opinions as "garbage,"
for which the Forum Leader also looked the other way,
see
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Maneck1.htm
Subject: Re: Folder changes being discussed
Date: 2/25/1999 11:27 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="">Smaneck</A>
Message-id: <19990225232704.15438.00000711@ng-fi1.aol.com>
Becky writes:
>Now, boys, let's be nice!
Dear Becky,
It is hard to be nice to someone who pretends he wants to open up the
consultation when all the time he is slandering our Forum Leader on
other
lists for enforcing AOL TOS rules.
warmest,
Susan Maneck
This person is consistently insulting me on the
Bahai Forums while the Forum Leader permits it,
though charging me with TOSs for all kinds of
innocuous statements.
FG@aol.com
Subject: Re: alt.religion.bahai & talk.religion.bahai
Date: 2/25/1999 11:22 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="">Smaneck</A>
Message-id: <19990225112245.13529.00000211@ng-ch1.aol.com>
Charlotte writes:
>So.... I will ask Mark to NOT add these newsgroups if you will not
agree to
>immediately remove those items placed there without permission and
agree to
>stop the practice of putting them there in the future.
Dear Charlotte,
While your annoyance to Fred doing this is well taken and he is
certainly
violating standard netiquette and perhaps copyright laws in forwarding
other's
posts, I don't think we can oppose the addition of newsgroups because of
the
unconscionable behavior of one of its members.
I think it is sufficient reason to refuse to add Mr. Glaysher's own
website,
however since he has total control of its contents. Besides, it is not
like
he
doesn't "provide" us with that website address on a regular
basis.
Hey Fred, do you have long pink ears?
warmest,
Susan Maneck
----------
From: TOSBoards2@aol.com[SMTP:TOSBoards2@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 9:32 AM
To: FG
Subject: Fwd: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
<<Message: Fwd: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum...>>
Dear Member,
Thank you for reporting this violation of the Terms of Service.
Unfortunately, we cannot warn a member without having the complete path
and
the entire post to review.
A "complete path" is the step-by-step trail which leads to
the post on America
Online. This includes the keyword or channel, all icons or text
clicked on,
and folder name. An example of a path would be: keyword MHM /
Message Board /
AOL Hints and Tips.
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of the post,
including the subject title, date and time posted and "Posted
By" information.
Please forward this mail to TOSBoards1, using the forward icon, and
include
this information. This is necessary for accurate documentation of
this
incident.
Thanks again for alerting us to this situation, and for making America
Online
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have
any comments or questions please send mail to <A HREF="mailto:
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Jenny
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----------
From: TOSBoards2@aol.com[SMTP:TOSBoards2@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 9:37 AM
To: FG
Subject: Fwd: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
<<Message: Fwd: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum...>>
Dear Member,
Thank you for reporting this violation of the Terms of Service.
Unfortunately, we cannot warn a member without having the complete path
and
the entire post to review.
A "complete path" is the step-by-step trail which leads to
the post on America
Online. This includes the keyword or channel, all icons or text
clicked on,
and folder name. An example of a path would be: keyword MHM /
Message Board /
AOL Hints and Tips.
An "entire post" is the cut and paste of the complete text
of the post,
including the subject title, date and time posted and "Posted
By" information.
Please forward this mail to TOSBoards1, using the forward icon, and
include
this information. This is necessary for accurate documentation of
this
incident.
Thanks again for alerting us to this situation, and for making America
Online
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Please note, this screen name cannot accept replies. Therefore, if you
have
any comments or questions please send mail to <A HREF="mailto:
TOSGeneral">
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Jenny
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----------
From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 8:23 AM
To: RBCFAdmin@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Bahai Forums - False TOSs by Mark Foster, Forum Leader
Jerry White
Forums Administrator
Spirituality Forums
Dear Mr. White,
During the last several months I've tried repeatedly
to bring to your and AOL's attention that the Bahai
Forums are being manipulated in order to censor
the available information or discussion there for AOL
members. As a Bahai for over 23 years, I understand
and perceive the subtleties of what is taking place on
AOL and am distressed that AOL's TOS system is
being abused by fundamentalist Bahais to their advantage.
I included here a message I wrote to the Hostmgr and the
TOSBoards1 to help you further understand the situation.
I would appreciate hearing back from you and knowing you
are making an attempt to address the problems in the Bahai
Forums.
FG@aol.com
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Dear HostMGR & TOSBoards1:
I would like to state that the recent repeatedly alleged TOS
violations
against me and other members of the Bahai Forums are completely
false. The Bahai Forum Leader, Mark Foster, has failed to perform
his duties in any way whatsoever for more than EIGHT months. My
request that he resign was emailed to him more than two months ago,
and I have repeatedly asked him to resign. My reason for doing so is
he and other fundamentalist Bahais on AOL are manipulating and
using the Bahai Forums to suppress what information is available to
AOL members. Let me mention that I myself have been a member of
the Bahai Faith now for more than 23 years and have witnessed many
similar episodes in which Bahais have suppressed the freedom of
information and opinion.
I also believe these TOSs are acts of revenge against me for recently
creating talk.religion.bahai on Usenet, which fundamentalist Bahais
have opposed for more than two years and may be corroborated by
looking at my website which documents their opposition, including
their fanaticism on AOL.
Let me mention that TWO former Bahai Forums Leaders have
had to be removed by AOL in the past. I'm afraid it is now painfully
evident that this one too should be replaced by someone who does
not play out his religious beliefs into vindictive actions against Bahais,
non-Bahais, Muslims, whoever....
I should mention that Bahais of more conservative mindset regularly
insult others by suggesting they're "covenant breakers" or
"infirm in
the covenant" and so on. These phrases are insulting to myself and
others but Mark Foster has done absolutely nothing to bring a halt
to such behavior. One Bahai, Susan Maneck, has gone so far as
to repeatedly refer to my opinions as "garbage" and
"slander" and
has not been corrected by him in anyway. I am very tired of this
double standard, as are other AOL members in the Bahai Forums.
Please read especially "The Baha'i Technique" and AOL:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/technique.htm
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/AOL.htm
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Maneck1.htm
What is taking place on the AOL Bahai Forums is exceedingly complex
and will require serious efforts on the part of AOL personnel if you are
to
understand and make the right decisions.
Other than a fair and unbiased Forum Leader, I have been concerned
primarily with 3 ISSUES:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais (which appear now to have been fixed).
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/bahai.htm
I am forwarding this message to the HostMGR@aol.com and the
TOSBoards1@aol.com in the hope that one or the other can assist in
finding a person to serve fairly and impartially as Bahai Forum Leader.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/bahai.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: TOSBoards2@aol.com[SMTP:TOSBoards2@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 9:52 AM
To: FG
Subject: Re: Terms of Service
<<Message: Fwd: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai F...>>
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looked into this report carefully and taken appropriate action.
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From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990226142614.13523.00000933@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>Fred,
>
>I have not prevented open and honest discussions. However, I do submit
reports
>to TOS when they get personal, e.g., ad hominem.
False. You certainly do not. You're manipulating
your position as AOL Forum Leader in favor of
Bahai fanatics.
Susan Maneck has recently posted two insulting
messages attacking me and I highly doubt you
reported either one. Further, I find some of your own
messages insulting and have reported them myself
to the TOSGeneral.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990226142451.13523.00000932@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>Fred,
>
>I am not sure what you mean. You have written my AOL supervisors
numerous
>times. I have seen copies of the letters you have sent to them.
Who are your AOL supervisors and what are their
AOL addresses?
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990226142326.13523.00000930@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>>I certainly am not about to
>>believe that coming from you.
>
>Coming from me? Am I not your Baha'i brother?
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/technique.htm
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990226142228.13523.00000929@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>Fred,
>
>That is not slander. The individual concerned is not attacking you.
She is
>reporting on your activities on TRB and ARB.
False. It certainly is slanderous of me and an excellent example
of your deceit and dishonesty as a so-called Forum Leader.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Posted to AOL Bahai Forums/Message Boards/Annoucements
and /Question to Forum Leader
This person is constantly allowed by the Bahai
Forum Leader Mark Foster to accuse me of "slander"
with impunity. I maintain that no such thing is true.
For her references to my opinions as "garbage,"
for which the Forum Leader also looked the other way,
see
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/Maneck1.htm
Subject: Re: Folder changes being discussed
Date: 2/25/1999 11:27 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="">Smaneck</A>
Message-id: <19990225232704.15438.00000711@ng-fi1.aol.com>
Becky writes:
>Now, boys, let's be nice!
Dear Becky,
It is hard to be nice to someone who pretends he wants to open up the
consultation when all the time he is slandering our Forum Leader on
other
lists for enforcing AOL TOS rules.
warmest,
Susan Maneck
This person is consistently insulting me on the
Bahai Forums while the Forum Leader permits it,
though charging me with TOSs for all kinds of
innocuous statements.
FG@aol.com
Subject: Re: alt.religion.bahai & talk.religion.bahai
Date: 2/25/1999 11:22 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="">Smaneck</A>
Message-id: <19990225112245.13529.00000211@ng-ch1.aol.com>
Charlotte writes:
>So.... I will ask Mark to NOT add these newsgroups if you will not
agree to
>immediately remove those items placed there without permission and
agree to
>stop the practice of putting them there in the future.
Dear Charlotte,
While your annoyance to Fred doing this is well taken and he is
certainly
violating standard netiquette and perhaps copyright laws in forwarding
other's
posts, I don't think we can oppose the addition of newsgroups because of
the
unconscionable behavior of one of its members.
I think it is sufficient reason to refuse to add Mr. Glaysher's own
website,
however since he has total control of its contents. Besides, it is not
like
he
doesn't "provide" us with that website address on a regular
basis.
Hey Fred, do you have long pink ears?
warmest,
Susan Maneck
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Milissa Boyer Kafes wrote in message
<7b9clk$od6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
Of course, in his defense, others don't play
>nice to him all the time either. As an observer, it has been no fun to
watch!
Thank you for acknowledging the lying, deceitful
dishonesty of the fundamentalist Bahais. Let me
assure you they are using the same dirty tricks you've
witnessed during the discussion and voting for talk.religion.bahai
on AOL....
Mark Foster, the so-called Forum Leader, and Susan Maneck
have proven themselves very adept at sophistry, backbiting,
and intrigue....
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 9:22 AM
To: HANI72#aol.com; CRust60001#aol.com; AAli929596#aol.com;
ccrawfeild@aol.com; Mr Mahdi; Nadle; Ruletherod; Macho786#aol.com;
Member1700#aol.com; PParvin#aol.com; RayHanania@aol.com;
RobertNik#aol.com; Shaksway@aol.com; Barthaman
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990226142052.13523.00000928@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>Fred,
>
>My TOS reports are not false.
You're a liar and you know it....
They are in keeping with the training I received
>to become a forum manager. Now, it is true, that some of it is
subjective.
>However, although you may not believe it, I actually try to give
people,
>including you, the benefit of the doubt when I feel I can.
You're a liar....
>
>Actually, I send reports to TOS a lot less than do some of my fellow
forum
>managers. Yet, we all receive complaints from people that we are being
unfair
>and discriminatory. It goes with the job. We are taught to expect it.
You're trying to hide and conceal what you're actually doing on
AOL for your Bahai fundamentalist views....
>
>I have no idea what you are referring to regarding the
"consideration of"
my
>allegedly "false TOSs" and my imminent dismissal. There is
no such
>consideration, and there never has been.
The only thing you deserve on AOL is dismissal.... as AOL
did with Vahid before you....
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
RBCF Mark wrote in message
<19990226142052.13523.00000928@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>Fred,
>
>My TOS reports are not false.
You're a liar and you know it....
They are in keeping with the training I received
>to become a forum manager. Now, it is true, that some of it is
subjective.
>However, although you may not believe it, I actually try to give
people,
>including you, the benefit of the doubt when I feel I can.
You're a liar....
>
>Actually, I send reports to TOS a lot less than do some of my fellow
forum
>managers. Yet, we all receive complaints from people that we are being
unfair
>and discriminatory. It goes with the job. We are taught to expect it.
You're trying to hide and conceal what you're actually doing on
AOL for your Bahai fundamentalist views....
>
>I have no idea what you are referring to regarding the
"consideration of"
my
>allegedly "false TOSs" and my imminent dismissal. There is
no such
>consideration, and there never has been.
The only thing you deserve on AOL is dismissal.... as AOL
did with Vahid before you....
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Deana Marie Holmes wrote in message
<36d76d94.82356802@enews.newsguy.com>...
>On 26 Feb 1999 19:20:52 GMT, rbcfmark@aol.com (RBCF Mark) wrote:
>
>Mark Foster goes on about TOSes and the Baha'i forum...
>
>There was an article a month or so ago in the NYTimes about various
>fora being shut down because of the inability of the hosts to handle
>the discussion. The example they used was that of Ireland.
There have been other Forum Leaders too who abused
there power as Mark Foster has on the Bahai Forums
and were removed.... In the long run, I believe AOL will
wake up to what he's doing too for the Bahai fundamentalists....
>
>I personally know that there was a long time where the Church
<spit>
>of $cientology had TOSes entered against "critics" and
people who
>simply questioned on their discussion group. Sermoner1@aol.com
would
>regularly TOS these people. It wasn't until a woman with
connections
>to people higher up in AOL showed up and took an interest in what
>appeared to be very blatant and partisan TOSes against those who were
>critics of Scientology. She was able to get most of them
reversed.
>Finally, it got to the point where a person was TOSsed for having a
>derogatory screen name or some such nonsense...the screen name in
>question was "Xenu", who happens to be the (secret)
Scientology satan,
>Pretty much as a result, the Scientology area in Other Religions just
>disappeared down the tubes. It had gotten out of hand and the
Powers
>that Be, a lot higher up than your TOS people, decreed that it be
>GONE.
Scientology is an excellent example of fanaticism run amok
on the Internet, Usenet, AOL, whatever, and distorting the
discussion through various forms of pressure and control.
During my more than two years of "Bahai Wars" over
talk.religion.bahai I've witnessed and experience incredible
opposition to free speech and conscience among my fellow
Bahais.... The battle front has now been shifted by them to
AOL....
>
>This, Mr. Foster, could happen to you. If you can't play nice, you
>might find that you're locked out of the playground. (Same goes
to
>you, Fred, but based on my experience with Scientology and TOS I am
>inclined to lean more towards Fred's side of things than Mark's.)
The AOL Bahai Forums really won't function properly
or fairly as long as he's the Forum Leader. The only
solution I see is for all AOL members in favor of free
speech and discussion to complain to the hostmgr@aol.com
the TOSBoards1@aol.com and RBCFAdmin@aol.com
Jerry White, Forums Administrator, Spirituality Forums.
Then things might begin to improve there as they have on
Usenet now with the creation of talk.religion.bahai.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>Just an observation...
>
>Deana Marie Holmes / member of the "Gang of Three" (Rod
Keller)
>The Few, The Proud, The Banned (2x + 1 ISP on Scientology ban list)
>$cientology: Sponsor Windows84: "Where CAN'T you go today?
>mirele@xmission.com
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Deana Marie Holmes wrote in message
<36d76d94.82356802@enews.newsguy.com>...
>On 26 Feb 1999 19:20:52 GMT, rbcfmark@aol.com (RBCF Mark) wrote:
>
>Mark Foster goes on about TOSes and the Baha'i forum...
>
>There was an article a month or so ago in the NYTimes about various
>fora being shut down because of the inability of the hosts to handle
>the discussion. The example they used was that of Ireland.
There have been other Forum Leaders too who abused
there power as Mark Foster has on the Bahai Forums
and were removed.... In the long run, I believe AOL will
wake up to what he's doing too for the Bahai fundamentalists....
>
>I personally know that there was a long time where the Church
<spit>
>of $cientology had TOSes entered against "critics" and
people who
>simply questioned on their discussion group. Sermoner1@aol.com
would
>regularly TOS these people. It wasn't until a woman with
connections
>to people higher up in AOL showed up and took an interest in what
>appeared to be very blatant and partisan TOSes against those who were
>critics of Scientology. She was able to get most of them
reversed.
>Finally, it got to the point where a person was TOSsed for having a
>derogatory screen name or some such nonsense...the screen name in
>question was "Xenu", who happens to be the (secret)
Scientology satan,
>Pretty much as a result, the Scientology area in Other Religions just
>disappeared down the tubes. It had gotten out of hand and the
Powers
>that Be, a lot higher up than your TOS people, decreed that it be
>GONE.
Scientology is an excellent example of fanaticism run amok
on the Internet, Usenet, AOL, whatever, and distorting the
discussion through various forms of pressure and control.
During my more than two years of "Bahai Wars" over
talk.religion.bahai I've witnessed and experience incredible
opposition to free speech and conscience among my fellow
Bahais.... The battle front has now been shifted by them to
AOL....
>
>This, Mr. Foster, could happen to you. If you can't play nice, you
>might find that you're locked out of the playground. (Same goes
to
>you, Fred, but based on my experience with Scientology and TOS I am
>inclined to lean more towards Fred's side of things than Mark's.)
The AOL Bahai Forums really won't function properly
or fairly as long as he's the Forum Leader. The only
solution I see is for all AOL members in favor of free
speech and discussion to complain to the hostmgr@aol.com
the TOSBoards1@aol.com and RBCFAdmin@aol.com
Jerry White, Forums Administrator, Spirituality Forums.
Then things might begin to improve there as they have on
Usenet now with the creation of talk.religion.bahai.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>Just an observation...
>
>Deana Marie Holmes / member of the "Gang of Three" (Rod
Keller)
>The Few, The Proud, The Banned (2x + 1 ISP on Scientology ban list)
>$cientology: Sponsor Windows84: "Where CAN'T you go today?
>mirele@xmission.com
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Deana Marie Holmes wrote in message
<36d8117f.40853891@enews.newsguy.com>...
>My AOL connection has been rather busy of late, and she might find
>Baha'i rather impenetrable, but I will admit that news of censorship
>in religious fora tends to annoy the living daylights out of me, and I
>might take it upon myself to enlighten Patricia to the situation...
>
>What are people so afraid of? The truth, maybe? If so, I'd
be very
>disappointed.
Fundamentalist Bahais are afraid of losing their
stranglehold over other people's minds.... They
believe they themselves have the only valid understanding
of the Bahai Faith and writings and any other opinions
should be silenced or driven out of the religion, whether
at a Bahai meeting, on Usenet, or, now, AOL....
That's it in a nutshell....
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 9:51 AM
To: TOSBoards1; HANI72#aol.com; CRust60001#aol.com; AAli929596#aol.com;
ccrawfeild@aol.com; Mr Mahdi; Nadle; Ruletherod; Macho786#aol.com;
Member1700#aol.com; PParvin#aol.com; RayHanania@aol.com;
RobertNik#aol.com; Shaksway@aol.com; Barthaman
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Deana Marie Holmes wrote in message
<36dc6e99.64691791@enews.newsguy.com>...
>On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:32:47 GMT, rlittle33@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>I pointed out what people who know about AOL have known for a long
>time: when a forum gets out of hand, it gets shut down.
This was
>noted in the NYTimes wrt the Irish fora. I also pointed out the long
>experience critics of Scientology had with the AOL system. I
opined
>that if Mr. Foster didn't watch his step, the AOL Baha'i forum could
>go the way of the AOL Scientology forum. That is NOT defamation.
I'd be in favor of the Bahai Forums on AOL being shut down too
if AOL personnel can't make the effort to understand what's
really going on and fundamentalist Bahais can support Mark
Foster resigning and finding a fair and honest person to serve
as Forum Leader.
>
>I'd also like you to note, Mr. Little, that I am not a Baha'i, and
>that I have had quite a bit of experience being harassed by pros, both
>legally and extralegally. If you think that just because you can
>sling the word "defamed" around that I'll go away, you've
got another
>thing coming. I would only note that Scientology thought I'd
stop
>picketing their local org if they picketed my home. They were
wrong.
Mr. Little is one of the worst literal-minded Bahai fanatics
on Usenet today. He's been a constant opponent of free
speech and conscience regarding the creation of talk.religion.bahai
for the past two years.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>
>Deana Marie Holmes / member of the "Gang of Three" (Rod
Keller)
>The Few, The Proud, The Banned (2x + 1 ISP on Scientology ban list)
>$cientology: Sponsor Windows84: "Where CAN'T you go today?
>mirele@xmission.com
----------
From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Deana Marie Holmes wrote in message
<36dc6e99.64691791@enews.newsguy.com>...
>On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:32:47 GMT, rlittle33@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>I pointed out what people who know about AOL have known for a long
>time: when a forum gets out of hand, it gets shut down.
This was
>noted in the NYTimes wrt the Irish fora. I also pointed out the long
>experience critics of Scientology had with the AOL system. I
opined
>that if Mr. Foster didn't watch his step, the AOL Baha'i forum could
>go the way of the AOL Scientology forum. That is NOT defamation.
I'd be in favor of the Bahai Forums on AOL being shut down too
if AOL personnel can't make the effort to understand what's
really going on and fundamentalist Bahais can support Mark
Foster resigning and finding a fair and honest person to serve
as Forum Leader.
>
>I'd also like you to note, Mr. Little, that I am not a Baha'i, and
>that I have had quite a bit of experience being harassed by pros, both
>legally and extralegally. If you think that just because you can
>sling the word "defamed" around that I'll go away, you've
got another
>thing coming. I would only note that Scientology thought I'd
stop
>picketing their local org if they picketed my home. They were
wrong.
Mr. Little is one of the worst literal-minded Bahai fanatics
on Usenet today. He's been a constant opponent of free
speech and conscience regarding the creation of talk.religion.bahai
for the past two years.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>
>Deana Marie Holmes / member of the "Gang of Three" (Rod
Keller)
>The Few, The Proud, The Banned (2x + 1 ISP on Scientology ban list)
>$cientology: Sponsor Windows84: "Where CAN'T you go today?
>mirele@xmission.com
----------
From: FG@aol.com[SMTP:FG@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 10:39 AM
To: RBCFAdmin@aol.com
Cc: FG@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Bahai Forums - False TOSs by Mark Foster, Forum Leader
Jerry White,
I think you could choose any message that Mark Foster
has forwarded to the TOSGeneral of mine during the last four or
five weeks since he has suddenly shown back up after more than
an eight month absence. Foster and other Bahai fundamentalists
have been constantly alleging FALSE TOSs against me, resulting
even in my account being suspended.
Below is a message from a Bahai fundamentalist which
were allowed with impunity by Foster in the Announcements
and Question to Forum Leader folders. It is insulting
and excellent example of the kind of thing he permits fanatics
to get away with while TOSsing more liberal Bahais like me.
Fundamentalist Bahais are attempting to suppress information
from appearing in the Libraries, as they have the links for
alt.religion.bahai and now talk.religion.bahai from the Web Sites
on the main menu. I request you investigate whether the latter
two links have appeared in Foster's report to AOL of about 3 to
4 weeks ago and when they will be added to the menu.
Alt.religion.bahai,
incidentally, was created nearly two years ago and has yet to appear
there while the fundamentalist newsgroup soc.religion.bahai alone is
offered.
I believe it would help you understand what is really going on
to read what several people, including a tenured professor at
the University of Michigan, have observed on Bahais and free
speech:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/technique.htm
If a fair and honest Forum Leader can not be appointed to the
Baha Forums, I, as a Bahai of over 23 years, would be in favor
of the entire Bahai Forums being removed from AOL as was
done with Scientology.
FG....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
https://members.tripod.com/~FG/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
> Subject: Re: alt.religion.bahai & talk.religion.bahai
> Date: 2/25/1999 11:22 AM Eastern Standard Time
> From: <A
HREF="">Smaneck</A>
> Message-id:
<19990225112245.13529.00000211@ng-ch1.aol.com>
>
> Charlotte writes:
>
> >So.... I will ask Mark to NOT add these newsgroups if you
will not agree
to
> >immediately remove those items placed there without
permission and agree
to
> >stop the practice of putting them there in the future.
>
> Dear Charlotte,
>
> While your annoyance to Fred doing this is well taken and he is
certainly
> violating standard netiquette and perhaps copyright laws in
forwarding
other'
> s posts, I don't think we can oppose the addition of newsgroups
because of
> the unconscionable behavior of one of its members.
>
> I think it is sufficient reason to refuse to add Mr. Glaysher's
own
website,
> however since he has total control of its contents. Besides, it is
not like
> he doesn't "provide" us with that website address on a
regular basis.
>
> Hey Fred, do you have long pink ears?
>
>
> warmest,
>
> Susan Maneck
In a message dated 2/28/1999 9:04:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, RBCF
Admin
writes:
> Subj: Re: Bahai Forums - False TOSs by Mark Foster, Forum Leader
> Date: 2/28/1999 9:04:39 AM Eastern Standard Time
> From: <A HREF="mailto:RBCF Admin">RBCF
Admin</A>
> To: <A
HREF="mailto:FG">FG</A>
>
> In a message dated 2/28/99 7:23:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
FG
> writes:
>
> > I would appreciate hearing back from you and knowing you
> > are making an attempt to address the problems in the
Bahai
> > Forums.
>
> Dear FG;
> First, I need to mention that HostMgr, is not
affiliated with any of the
> Spirituality forums and has absolutely no authority to make or cause
to
> happen, any changes. HostMgr's authority is limited to the
People
connection
> hosts & writing to that screen name only adds a burdon on an
already
> overloaded mailbox.
>
> Can you please be a bit more specific regarding your
concerns. Can you
> send copies of posts you've had removed? This would help
tremendously.
>
> I do know that you were concerned that your uploads of the
newsgroup
> transcripts were not released. This was in keeping with forum
guidelines.
> First, there are copyright concerns & secondly, we really see no
reason to
> use resources for this purpose when the information is readily
available
> elswhere.
>
> Jerry White
> Forums Administrator
> Spirituality
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