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2nd RESULT: Talk.Religion.Bahai Feb 22, 1998

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From: mcq@wco.com (Rebecca McQuitty)
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Subject: RESULT: talk.religion.bahai fails 109:65
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                                RESULT
          unmoderated group talk.religion.bahai fails 109:65

There were 109 YES votes and 65 NO votes, for a total of 174 valid
votes.  There were 10 abstains and 3 invalid ballots.

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES
and NO) votes.  There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO
votes.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
group may not be voted on again for six months.

Please post any discussion of this RESULT to news.groups.

Newsgroups line:
talk.religion.bahaiDiscussion of the Baha'i Faith.

The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Feb 1998.

A neutral, third-party volunteer conducted this vote.  Direct
questions about the proposed group to the proponents.

Proponent: FG
Proponent: Chris Manvell
Proponent: Ron House
Mentor: Chris Stone
Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty

RATIONALE: talk.religion.bahai

Currently, the only newsgroup on the Big 8 heirarchies, which exists
specifically for discussion of the Baha'i Faith, is moderated.  A need
exists for an unmoderated forum, and this proposed newsgroup would
meet that need.

Between January 17, 1997, the posting of the first proposed RFD, and
March 27, 1997, more than 759 messages were posted concerning
talk.religion.bahai, 11 messages per day for 70 days.

Between April 1, 1997 and September 27, 1997, over 2,863 messages have
been posted on alt.religion.bahai from people with highly varying
points of view on the Baha'i Faith, resulting in 16 messages per day
for 179 days, and 477 messages a month for six months.

Since www.dejanews.com does not pick up all postings, an additional
conservative 5 percent, roughly 150 messages, have probably been lost
from the archive. During this time period, approximately 513 different
individuals posted on over 1,200 threads.

These numbers may be verified by searching www.dejanews.com for
talk.religion.bahai and alt.religion.bahai for the relevant time
periods. Please note that despite the poor propagation of the alt.*
hierarchy the high rate of posting demonstrates significant interest,
justifying the forming of an unmoderated newsgroup on the Bahai Faith
on the talk.* hierarchy. It is only reasonable to conclude that the
easy accessibility of the talk.* hierarchy will lead to even higher
rates of posting by interested people.

The proponents intend that talk.religion.bahai will complement, rather
than supplant, the existing moderated group soc.religion.bahai, and
will provide those without access to alt.religion.bahai, on the less
well propagated alt.* hierarchy, the opportunity to participate,
especially since many people who voted YES on the first proposal were
unable to join in on alt.religion.bahai, their ISPs not carrying the
hierarchy. It is anticipated that alt.religion.bahai will evolve along
as its users see fit and will complement talk.religion.bahai as an
alternative unmoderated newsgroup.

CHARTER: talk.religion.bahai

All topics or ideas relevant to the Baha'i faith -- its history,
teachings, theology, etc. -- would be appropriate areas for
discussion.

Readers are asked to observe standard netiquette and voting procedure
in their use of this newsgroup and during its creation.

Readers are asked to observe Baha'i standards of conduct and not to
start or prolong flamewars in the group, but to focus instead on
articles and threads written in more moderate terms.

The posting of articles not specifically relevant to the Baha'i Faith
is strongly discouraged. Also discouraged are personal messages, large
ASCII graphics, binaries, special-format files, pornography, spam, and
any postings of a purely commercial nature.

Crossposting to irrelevant groups is also discouraged, and readers are
encouraged to redirect followups to reduce excessive crossposting.
Readers may also post articles that have been rejected from
soc.religion.bahai, so long as they conform to this charter.

As is true for other groups devoted to discussing a particular
religion, including soc.religion.bahai, the talk.religion.bahai
newsgroup is not an official organ of any institutional faith.

END CHARTER.

talk.religion.bahai Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes
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110576.764 [at] compuserve.com                       Henri-Charles de Flhrier
aelyria [at] goodnet.com                                          Alma Engels
afshin.afrashteh [at] utoronto.ca                            Afshin Afrashteh
alex [at] unicorn.us.com                                        Alex Matulich
an588 [at] freenet.carleton.ca                             Catherine Woodgold
ann_mcginley [at] hotmail.com                                    Ann McGinley
aull [at] ll.mit.edu                                               Brian Aull
baird [at] gate.net                                            Baird Stafford
bill [at] srisoft.com                                         Bill W Smith Jr
bmathieu [at] micron.net                                        Brent Mathieu
bn872 [at] freenet.carleton.ca                                Michael McKenny
booda [at] datasync.com                                       Martin H. Booda
bpurosky [at] visix.com                                          Bill Purosky
Carol_Bowie [at] mindlink.bc.ca                                   Carol Bowie
cdt [at] op.net                                                Chris Trumbore
Chris [at] breacais.demon.co.uk                      Christopher John Manvell
chriseb [at] nortel.ca                                         Chris Ebenezer
cipher [at] mindspring.com                                    David A. Howard
ck508 [at] freenet.carleton.ca                                  Lionel Wagner
cstone [at] math.unm.edu                                          Chris Stone
curtis_whalen+usenet [at] geocities.com                Curtis (Jewell) Whalen
dan [at] remote.control.com                                    Dan L. Pierson
david [at] home.net.nz                                           David Farrar
dbowie [at] sas.upenn.edu                                         David Bowie
desiegel [at] aol.com                                         David E. Siegel
dputzolu [at] teleport.com                                   David M. Putzolu
ekako [at] northcoast.com                                      Kindrick Ownby
emma [at] csli.Stanford.EDU                                        Emma Pease
er_er_an [at] hotmail.com                                               J Vuh
fbaker [at] ncsa.uiuc.edu                                      Frank M. Baker
fed [at] millcomm.com                                        Frank Druktainis
FG [at] hotmail.com                                 FG
fgsoler [at] value.net                                         Frank G. Soler
forumbahai [at] es.co.nz                                       Steve Marshall
fran [at] crhc.uiuc.edu                                         Frances Baker
gaillard [at] panix.com                                           Ed Gaillard
gazissax [at] netcom.com                                     Lynn Diana Gazis
gglaser [at] minn.net                                           Ginger Glaser
ggw [at] wolves.durham.nc.us                              Gregory G. Woodbury
hmiddlem [at] cyberus.ca                                    Harry T Middleman
hood [at] Eng.Sun.COM                                               Mark Hood
house [at] usq.edu.au                                               Ron House
IJF16 [at] student.canterbury.ac.nz                             Isaac Freeman
irina [at] rempt.xs4all.nl                                        Irina Rempt
J.K.A.Singh-Rathore [at] ping.be                         J.K.A. Singh-Rathore
jaed [at] best.com                                        Jeanne A. E. DeVoto
jake [at] netins.net                                       R. "Jake" Jakoubek
james.farrar [at] ic.ac.uk                                       James Farrar
jbh5 [at] cornell.edu                                          Jean B. Hunter
jdg [at] but-i-dont-like-spam.boxmail.com                     John David Galt
jeffd [at] goodnet.com                                       Jeffrey J. Davey
jeffford [at] cs.utexas.edu                                         Jeff Ford
jharnick [at] nornet.on.ca                                    John A. Harnick
jkrobert [at] students.wisc.edu.nolongpig                       Jason Roberts
jmalina [at] wenet.net                                          Jo Ann Malina
jolomo [at] netcom.com                                             Joe Morris
jonathan [at] lionheart.net                                  Jonathan Padgett
JoySafari [at] aol.com
jtbell [at] cs1.presby.edu                                           Jon Bell
karromde [at] nyx.net                                            Ken Arromdee
kebera [at] Cyblings.ON.CA                                    Krishna E. Bera
keillan [at] quest.cc.purdue.edu                              Kelly G. Willis
kopetsbj [at] cs.purdue.edu                                 Brett J. Kopetsky
kuch [at] ms.uky.edu                                    John Allen Kuchenbrod
kyra [at] flash.net                                      Debra Davies Huffman
lightspring [at] jps.net                                      Thomas Spellman
maryam [at] netlink.com.au                                      Maryam Butson
Massoud.Ajami [at] sdsu.eduDELETE                               Massoud Ajami
matt [at] mec.edu                                               Matt Bancroft
mcgregoa [at] Cognos.COM                                      Alayne McGregor
meflin [at] dimensional.com                                  James S. Lopeman
michael [at] unicorn-connection.co.uk                           Michael Parry
mirele [at] super.zippo.com                                   Deana M. Holmes
mtgalvin [at] ouray.cudenver.edu                        Michael-Teunis Galvin
mughal [at] alumni.caltech.edu                                    Asim Mughal
neil [at] nkelley.demon.co.uk                                     Neil Kelley
neilc [at] stanford.edu                                       Neilist Crellin
obfusa [at] mack.rt66.com               Franklin D. Schlatter  Group Orthodox
olav [at] viking.mv.com                                       Olav Nieuwejaar
[at] moa.net                                 
philh [at] vision25.demon.co.uk                                   Philip Hunt
PIERCEED [at] sswdserver.sswd.csus.edu                      Eric David Pierce
pjh1 [at] leicester.ac.uk                                         Pete Humble
pjohnson [at] vsla.edu                                        K. Paul Johnson
poul [at] earthling.net.NOSPAM.PLEASE                       Poul A. Costinsky
rdetweil [at] boi.hp.com                                       Dick Detweiler
rick [at] bcm.tmc.edu                                          Richard Miller
RK-esperantisto [at] juno.com                                     Rick Koshko
roesingere [at] indy.tce.com                                 Eric G Roesinger
romanc [at] rpi.edu                                           Cesar C. Palerm
roxanamorgan11 [at] home.com                                    Roxana Morgan
rreini [at] wwnet.net                                             Roger Reini
rtower [at] yahoo.com                                               Ron Tower
sas [at] frontiernet.net                                       Stuart Schweid
simon [at] darkmere.gen.nz                                        Simon Lyall
slavitch [at] loran.com                                      Michael Slavitch
Tobias.Erle [at] GMX.net                                          Tobias Erle
todd [at] nutria.nrlssc.navy.mil                                 Todd Mullins
tommycarter [at] usa.net                                         Tommy Carter
tricia [at] glonet.co.nz                               Tricia Hague-Blackford
Wayne_Sanders-Unrein_at_2-HTI-2VA [at] ccgate.hac.com    Wayne Sanders-Unrein
whateverman [at] erols.com                                          Jon Richt
wisanr [at] norwich.net                                            Dick Wisan
WTobyL [at] aol.com                                                Toby Lomax
wwfiv [at] ix.netcom.com                                 William W. Farley IV
xanthian [at] well.com                                        Kent Paul Dolan
znmeb [at] teleport.com                                     M. Edward Borasky
zutetflute [at] aol.com                                          Andree Maani

Voted No
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abir [at] comtrol.com                                              Abir Majid
andrew.pemberton-pigott [at] ualberta.ca              Andrew Pemberton-Pigott
babboo [at] writeme.com                                           Peter Buchy
barneyk [at] ziplink.net                             Michael "Barney" Kennedy
bobbymitchell [at] totacc.com                                  Bobby Mitchell
centiped [at] grey.xs4all.nl                                    Roelf Renkema
d [at] idiom.com                                                            d
David.Robinson [at] Eng.Sun.COM                                David Robinson
djull [at] mindspring.com                                          David Jull
dwolff [at] world.std.com                           David "Not a Bahai" Wolff
EdvardJ [at] simi.is                                        Edvard T. Jonsson
Ekkehard.Uthke [at] gmx.de                                     Ekkehard Uthke
fdbetts [at] mindspring.com                                        Dean Betts
forbes [at] cheerful.com                                       Forbes Benning
Gata [at] aol.com                                              Shirley Macias
globe99 [at] Mlink.NET                                        Derrick Jobidon
gpoirier [at] acca.nmsu.edu                                  G. Brent Poirier
Graham [at] fragrant.demon.co.uk                              Graham Sorenson
hcwtcurtis [at] email.msn.com                                 Larry D. Curtis
hfung [at] lerami.lerctr.org                                        Hank Fung
hhouse [at] mailcity.com                                          Harry House
hymanfam [at] samoatelco.com                                 William M. Hyman
iskandar [at] acsu.buffalo.edu                                   Iskandar Hai
jasmine [at] fl.net.au                                         Jasmine Taylor
jjam [at] hplabsz.hpl.hp.com                                       Jim S. Jam
judd.rook [at] pnn.com                                            Judd A Rook
kimdv [at] best.com                                              Kim DeVaughn
krc1 [at] mail.enter.net                                          Phil Thomas
ksm8p [at] avery.med.virginia.edu                               kavian milani
lcs [at] zk3.dec.com                                              Larry Smith
LSEAMANS [at] MU3.MILLERSV.EDU                                  Lynne Seamans
marcus9 [at] usa.net                                          Marcus Davidson
mehyar22 [at] siol.net                                  Mehyar Badii-Azandahi
mlcook [at] jerez.cca.rockwell.com                               Michael Cook
mlocher [at] ibm.net                                  Maximilian Greer Locher
momen [at] northill.demon.co.uk                                  Moojan Momen
naddy [at] mips.rhein-neckar.de                          Christian Weisgerber
nigel [at] nigelshomes.com                                 Nigel Austin-Weeks
nightbrd [at] humboldt1.com                                     Douglas Myers
ongang [at] mail.indigo.ie                                        Ann O'Neill
pan [at] syix.com                                                         Pan
patl [at] cag.lcs.mit.edu                                 Patrick J. LoPresti
persia [at] persia.com                                     Robert Moldenhauer
petcook [at] total.net                                             Peter Cook
pewatler [at] cyf-kr.edu.pl                                     Miguel Watler
ph289jk [at] prism.gatech.edu                                   Joseph Khoury
polzer [at] uran.informatik.uni-bonn.de                        Andreas Polzer
red [at] rahul.net                                                        Red
riazor [at] nutecnet.com.br                 Irlandes Fernandes Gonzaga Junior
rmp [at] heehaw.com                                           Rafael Palmeiro
roger.borseth [at] mci2000.com                                  Roger Borseth
rossdee [at] ramhb.co.nz                                          Ross Deeley
samoasys [at] samoatelco.com                                    Jane C. Hyman
shohre [at] itis.com                                          Shohre Mansouri
shrao [at] nyx.net                                                Shrisha Rao
stainles [at] bga.com                                            Dwight Brown
steiners [at] primenet.com                                      Jason Steiner
steve [at] Watt.COM                                                Steve Watt
stronguv [at] freenet.edmonton.ab.ca                            Donald Strong
Sunday122 [at] aol.com                                     Sunday Marie Witte
talishman [at] usa.net                             T. Albert-Ishmael Anderson
tlawson [at] amug.org                                          Todd C. Lawson
todd.kutches [at] attws.com                                      Todd Kutches
wdmaddox [at] rice.edu                                            Bill Maddox
wpagel [at] wazoo.com                                          Karen L. Pagel

Abstained
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af479 [at] rgfn.epcc.Edu                                Samandar Roshan-Zamir
biow [at] ezmort.com                                         Christopher Biow
chris [at] kzim.com                               Christopher Robin Zimmerman
guymacon [at] deltanet.com                                          Guy Macon
hkt [at] wwa.com                                             Henrietta Thomas
johnn [at] jolt.mpx.com.au                                           John New
kpascoe [at] ford.com                                            Kathy Pascoe
NEW_DAWN [at] compuserve.com                         Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
rick [at] helix.nih.gov                                           Rick Troxel
rpascoe [at] freenet.npiec.on.ca                                robert Pascoe


Votes in error
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fpbbgre [at] gnenanxv.np.am                                           Scooter
   ! Invalid address
notarius [at] nym.alias.net                                          Notarius
   ! Anonymous remailer
tom-hodges [at] geocities.com                                      Tom Hodges
   ! No ballot

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